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Another single weapon survey

beachmaster73beachmaster73 Member Posts: 3,011 ✭✭
edited February 2002 in General Discussion
OK..It is early June in a post apocalypse America. All federal and state authority has broken down. Most of the rural areas consist of xenophobic local authorities seeking to keep their areas safe; urban areas consist of out-of-control gangbangers preying on unarmed, progressive, anti-Second Amendment liberals. You have to make your way from central Ohio to a safe zone in North Eastern Wyoming. You have to travel on foot and can carry only one weapon. You will have to procure your own food along the way. If you do not show hostile intent local authorities will grudgingly permit your passage through their areas. The cost of manufactured goods has increased twenty times from today's prices. You have 5 ounces of gold(which is now worth $1000 an ounce) for barter along the way. Water is free; food is not.What weapon do you select...... and far more importantly why? What commodities(bought from your gold) do you put in your backpack for the journey...why?Beach
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  • kimberkidkimberkid Member Posts: 8,858 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I thought this was GENERAL DISCUSSION ... that sounds pretty specific to me!Anyway, If I could have only 1 it would probably be my AUG Special Receiver, it breaks down with no special tools for cleaning/maintinance, it doesn't require hi-maintinance and very reliable, accurate and fairly light. I have 3 barrels and 2 scopes to choose from for different applications 16" barrel and no scope for spray & pray, 20" and 6X scope for medium range and 24" and 20X scope for long range. .223 ammo is common & light enough to carry 1000 rounds and has enough punch to take out most men/animals.Gold would probably use to barter for bread/fruits/vegitables as there wouldn't be any growing yet to scavange along the way.Could my wife carry my Ruger MkII pistol and a few 500 rnd boxes of .22LR?
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  • cpermdcpermd Member Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Tough choiceMossberg 590 A1 vs AR15 16" Lightwt.I will have to think some.cpermd
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  • the loveable rat...the loveable rat... Member Posts: 969 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    if i have my choice, i'm taking as many of you guys with me as i can ...i'll be carrying some flyrods(and the gold...lol)...and we're not going to n.e. wyo. either- i've been to the "safe zone" already, and the fishing sucks...i figure the safe zone would be what you guys want it to be!...let me know when you want to leave- i'll be ready in 15 min- why wait till june?...[This message has been edited by the loveable rat... (edited 02-06-2002).]
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  • offerorofferor Member Posts: 8,625 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Since most gangs shoot handgun calibers I'd probably slip on the lightest Level II vest I could find. I might have to abandon it for weight, but I'd try anyhow. I'd take extra socks for sure, gotta walk, and light, sturdy boots. Then I'd select my AK-47S, make sure the sling was good, and load up my mags on a tactical harness. I'd try to take 8 30-rd. mags minimum, four on each side, more if there was room. Nothing against a good CAR, but I don't own one now and I'm all set up for the AK. I can't see myself leaving without a good handgun on my belt and lots mags, but since you made the rules we'll pretend I'd consider leaving without one. I'd probably take my Glock 27 for the same reason the AK would be great on the road. It'll run forever with minimal care and lots of abuse.At least one good knife, some first aid, and my lightweight puffy down jacket, or a leather jacket, in case the temps are still cold in places (June's still early in the summer some years). Jeans and the best 1-3/4 to 2" belt I've got. Probably throw in a couple of multi-tool folders. I'd stick an American flag on me somewhere so friendlies would at least have a clue that I may still be on the right side of the law. I seldom wear hats but in this case I'd want some head protection from rain & sun. Probably one of those spaceage silver blankets. A couple large plastic bags that could come in handy for carry, or for rain protection for me and/or my gun. A tiny bottle of gun oil. Minimag light & some spare batteries. A little am/fm radio and maybe a portable cb.I wouldn't be in any hurry to leave because I know if I take my time I'll think of a few more little things I need as I load up. I know I can get food and more batteries and such items on the way and if we're that badly off probably won't have to pay. Unless the gold was in small enough increments, I wouldn't plan to use it for money unless a) I could pay passage to hitch a ride a good share of the way, or b) needed to ransom myself out of a bad situation. I'd also look for the first operational bike I could get my hands on. Come to think of it I might take a small bolt cutter for just such an eventuality. Not that I'd plan on being intentionally lawless, but I'd do what was necessary for survival and apologize for it later. It is possible, I think, to "walk tall" in terms of your principles and still do what you have to do under harsh conditions, and I think people would be supportive of that within reason. In some cases, they'd rather somebody like me would get the benefit of a few candy bars or batteries that are going to sit and rot otherwise. That's a long way around the point that I'd take my AK and a harness with lots 'o pockets, ain't it?
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  • sandman2234sandman2234 Member Posts: 894 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I have changed alot of my thinking after reading "Alas Babylon".I think my AC-556 would be the one, short,(folder)lightweight,stainless,common ammunition. However I would probably take the reddot off and carry a varible scope. 1)Batteries and a portable Hamm radio. 2)Salt.3)Wife, she cooks and can carry more ammo 4)As many canned goods as I can carry in case something happens to the wife 5)Good skinning knife,that the wife doesn't know about. 6)Some sort of rainproof tarp or cover. 7)A small solar panel that I have that weighs about 20 ounces, flexible that produces 15 volts at .51 amps/hr. Not quite a generator, but will keep a battery charged. 8)The option of editing this as I realize what I really need Puts a whole new perspective on my signature
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  • Shootist3006Shootist3006 Member Posts: 4,171
    edited November -1
    M1C, accurate, powerful, adequate range and firepower, most important - ammo is everywhere! What to carry?Cartridge beltKnife (K-Bar)CanteenWater filterLightweight thermal blanketShelter half (or equivalent light tent)Emergency rations (jerky, MRE's, protein bars)Socks and more socksAmmo of course, about 12 clips should do itMatchesMaps, if possible (GPS if the system is still up)Heat tabs or equivalent fire startersCompass200' of parachute cordI'm sure I left something critical off (like First aid kit) and it won't occur to me until I REALLY need it.
    Quod principi placuit legis habet vigorem.Semper Fidelis
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  • jonkjonk Member Posts: 10,121
    edited November -1
    Ye gods... hard to make up my mind. I would probably take a shotgun/rifle combo in 12ga. and 30/06. But I would also consider that, on the other hand, a .22 is light and I could carry a ton of ammo. On the third hand, a muzzleloader flintlock has the advantage that I could make my own gunpowder if I had to, can knap my own flint, and can cast my own bullets and thus could keep it going long after everyone else had run out of ammo.Do I have to walk? Gas is gone, but can't I bicycle?
    "...hit your enemy in the belly, and kick him when he is down, and boil his prisoners in oil- if you take any- and torture his women and children. Then people will keep clear of you..." -Admiral of the Fleet Lord Fisher, speaking at the Hague Peace Conference in 1899.
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  • beachmaster73beachmaster73 Member Posts: 3,011 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    When I first postulated this I was thinking in terms of a combination gun .223/20 gauge or .30-06/12 gauge. Pinning my hopes of success by keeping to truly rural areas and living off the land bagging the odd pheasant or rabbit. I initially figured it might be possible to avoid the dangers inherent in the urban areas by walking around them. I really felt that having a shotgun was necessary for that long a trek through that part of our country. I also thought that a portable reloading tool and about 20-30 rounds of ammo plus extra powder, primers, and bullets would lighten the load. I thought three or four boxes of shotgun shells in #6 shot might suffice for the trip.Now after some your inputs I'm kind of thinking that someone with a scoped AR-15 varient might have a better probability of success.I'd opt for a K-bar knife, good leatherman tool, magnesium flints, down sleeping bag, light weight rain fly, iodine(vice a water purifier), first aid kit, 100 penicillin tablets(tetracycline if you want to be sexually active along the way!), waterproof matches, road maps of the states travelled, insect repellent, floppy hat, snake bite kit, two canteens, lightweight short wave radio, two canteens, hiking boots, several pairs of socks, bush shorts and shirts, pair of jeans, Barbour rain coat, camp coffeepot, small cooking pot.... and like everyone else I've probably left several critical items off the list that I'd end up paying way too much for on the road. Beach
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  • beachmaster73beachmaster73 Member Posts: 3,011 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Oh yeah....Saxon Pig...What is a D-20? Beach
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  • the loveable rat...the loveable rat... Member Posts: 969 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    (dice, 20-sided) used to determine results of actions taken in a fantasy game. also i've rethought my trip. i've decided to take the LSU cheerleaders, a deck of cards, and a derringer...
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  • the loveable rat...the loveable rat... Member Posts: 969 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    (dice, 20-sided) used to determine results of actions taken in a fantasy game. also i've rethought my trip. i've decided to take the LSU cheerleaders, a deck of cards, and a derringer...
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  • RembrandtRembrandt Member Posts: 4,486 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I was planning on doing this on horseback...but since Beach has stipulated "on foot", I'd better take plenty of socks and a couple pair of comfortable boots. Gun of choice would be a CAR15, (3) 30 round magazines, multi-tool, magnesium fire starter, penicillen, and two changes of BDU's, poncho, good knife and a sharpening stone, iodine tablets and a canteen.....Having learned from a few hunting trips, people always take more than they really need....lighter is better. I'd travel at night to avoid detection and use the stars for navigation....eat off the land or steal food from farmsteads....avoid cities and high density areas....Having traveled this area extensively...by the time you get west of the Mississippi River it's going to be pretty much open areas. Hopefully one does'nt have to do this during the winter months....if so, some additional clothing would be required. Any other Gunbroker members that I see along the way are welcome to tag along....if you insisit on bringing the convienences of life with you and slow me down....you're on your own. Of course if we hit a massive blizzard and food is scarce....I'd be glad to have you for dinner....just remember what happened to the Donner party....
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  • woodsrunnerwoodsrunner Member Posts: 5,378 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    1)My Winchester 9422. It will feed longrifles and shorts without any problems. Those cooperative local authorities won't confuse you with the bad guys. 100 rounds hyper velocity lr's, 500 rounds of Remington sub sonics, 100 rds of short cb's. A sturdy 4" Opiniel folder.2) A good mountain bike With a comfortable saddle and a headlight. Maybe a good old fashioned basket mounted on the handle bars.3)6 3/32x 36" cable snares & 2 rat traps(for squirrels)4)some good topo maps 5) a better compass6)A roll of heavy drop cloth type plastic or a shelter half.7)Boyscout type mess outfit8) strike anywhere matches & a good lighter9)My walkman sized short wave radio10)2 changes of clothes 1 of lightweight wool. Medium weight jacket (camo)11)space blanket with silver & green sides not orange.12) a good headlamp or flashlight13)half a dozen MRE'sI'd travel at night, sleep during the day in the woods or under bridges, in culverts. Stay on secondary roads & avoid population centers like the plague. It would be classic E&E all the way.WOODS
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  • Miss. CreantMiss. Creant Member Posts: 300 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Shotgungirlsbeercoonhound
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  • offerorofferor Member Posts: 8,625 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Me too on the penicillin! And a box of Rameses!Good grief, I forgot about the basic compass thing. Dumb. Hey, unless the satellites have all fallen and burned up in the atmosphere, how about a nice little GPS? I'm glad you didn't say we couldn't drop anything we chose to take, because I'd probably take too much and discard, discard.
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  • idsman75idsman75 Member Posts: 13,398 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    SaxonPig--You are a closet D&D freak? Just so you know....you are not alone here on GB. There are more of us. I know of a few others.
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  • v35v35 Member Posts: 12,710 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    In post apocaliptic America I could imagine travelers being searched at checkpoints and those with visible weapons disarmed by local militias. The AR7 takedown 22 comes to mind.
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  • granny_knotgranny_knot Member Posts: 27 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    So if I can only have one, what the hey do I do w/ the rest of my stuff? I live in W.Md., top of a hill, gentle sloping ground 360 deg. for about 200 yds. Bottom of the hill, thick brambles and swamp 270 deg, corn field the rest. Ain't no one comin thru the brambles unless I run'em in there. Between my Mauser .308 match, ar-15 and FAL, ain't alot gonna be comin up the hill. If they come up with RPG's or the like, none of our senerio's remain valid. Me, after I thin the ranks abit and they still keep coming, I should have several caches inside of a 5 mi. radius that will keep me supplied while I remain in terrain I know. Besides, where ya all goin' to? (If ya come here, Don't even think about drinking my beer-well maybe a bit) The comment about other local militia makes sense_they will equate you with the rabble.
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  • granny_knotgranny_knot Member Posts: 27 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    One little correction-if any of you all want to stop by, just holler & come on up-I'll enjoy the company. But if you have a spider web tattoo, stove bolt thru yer nose, and/or baggy pant w/the waist line below yer * hole, I might need to make a few assumptions.
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  • mudgemudge Member Posts: 4,225 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    OK..OK..I'll go! But NOT to Wyoming!!! Beach, have you lost your mind? NORTHEAST EFFING WYOMING. Do you have ANY idea of how cold it gets there in OCTOBER? Mrs. Mudge and I will go with you until you masochists make the turn towards Wyoming. At that point, we'll turn south and head for balmier climes.I'll carry the Garand and the S&W 29 and their ammo. Mrs. Mudge will carry the M-16 (with .22 conversion kit), her Glock and ammo for them. The other essentials have already been listed numerous times so I won't be redundant. Mudge the comfort driven I know you said "single weapon". We're takin' these anyway. You wanna' argue, we fall out for a "slap n' shoot".
    I can't come to work today. The voices said, STAY HOME AND CLEAN THE GUNS![This message has been edited by mudge (edited 02-07-2002).]
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  • whiteclouderwhiteclouder Member Posts: 10,574 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I'd just shut out the yard light and go to bed. We all kinda think alike around here and ain't nobody messin' with nobody. 'sides that, I hate NE Wyoming.Clouder..
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  • ndbillyndbilly Member Posts: 1,573 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Let's see - Columbus to Laramie is +1300 miles in a relatively straight line. Assuming you are a typically overweight and out of shape middle-aged male, as previous posts have shown most here are, you can reasonably assume to make 15 miles a day after you've worked the stiffness of the first few days out. 1300 divided by 15 = almost three full months of travel by foot. From most of the posts in this thread, it looks like you'll be packing between thirty and fifty pounds of gear. This scenario also assumes the complete breakdown of civil authority and we now have 250,000,000 people either scavanging existing food supplies or "...living off the land...". You'll be crossing vast, open spaces by the time you hit western Indiana and trusting that you'll be able to shoot your way out of any confrontations along the way armed with a single weapon. This really is a fantasy board!Face it, gang. Under the scenario above, you'll have to be part of a gang long before you make it to Wyoming and the bigger the gang the better your chances of surviving an attack by another gang. I suspect that this veneer of civility would disappear within the first week and we would revert to tribal behaviour quite quickly. Good luck. I don't want to be around.
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  • RUGERNUT3RUGERNUT3 Member Posts: 247 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    my leatehrman....2 spools of 50lb spiderwire..whats on my bass reels. Stronger than anything Ive ever seen for its diameter...be good for lots of things. Assorted sizes of Owner brand hooks (fish). About a 2" diameter magnyfing (&^%* when they gonna break down and add a spellchecker??!!) glass. And....the BEST, maybe a 10/22 from Adams custom shop(?)(dependability,accuracy,weight wise) .22 mag. semi-a...rifle..carbon fiber heavy barrel/zytel stock..minimum requirements. If I am no longer capable of getting within the effective range of that cal. to take a deer,etc.,human threat,whatever...I need to just sit back with the librals (librels,liberals???*%#)= the people I'm not one of! I could gather food in a variety of ways,carve my own topwater lures now anyway, leatherman is best thing since sliced bread,to a fairly reliable degree take own multiple threats, take small,large game, have a relative low report signature from my rifle(?? boom or CRACK, may be debateable!)...then put everything else in the trailer I'd be pulling behind my hummer!!
    "ANY" EXCUSE IS A GOOD REASON TO BUY "JUST 1 MORE".& VICIE-VERSIE!
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  • beachmaster73beachmaster73 Member Posts: 3,011 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    rugernut....good call on the fishing stuff. Maybe because I don't fish much at all I'd forgotten that as a food source.I will say a lot more people here envisioned shoot-outs than I had. God even in Somalia those hoards weren't killing everybody all the time....maybe they have a little more civilization than we do here. Beach
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  • RUGERNUT3RUGERNUT3 Member Posts: 247 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Liked the topic Beach...just had to lighten up at the end w/hummer! A LOT to take into consideration if you went through the whole scenario step by step.....too much for my small amount of grey matter.....be safe..
    "ANY" EXCUSE IS A GOOD REASON TO BUY "JUST 1 MORE".& VICIE-VERSIE!
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  • idsman75idsman75 Member Posts: 13,398 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Hah! The seat on which I perch whilst surfing and playing on GunBroker is a trunk. It is a trunk FILLED with AD&D manuals.
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