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travelling with handguns

instrumentofwarinstrumentofwar Member Posts: 1,545 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited January 2002 in General Discussion
just throwing out a general question since one of my bretheren on this site (you know who you are) has moved away with all of his LEO knowledge. say an individual purchases a handgun in oklahoma, for instance, and is preparing to move to the great state of alaska, both of which do not require a permit to purchase. since i am in compliance with the law at points A and B what sort of legal loopholes am i going to have to jump through to drive state to state. i know i could pack it in a locked case in an unaccessable part of the vehicle with the ammo stored seperatly, however i would like to have it accessable for a quick defense gun. am thinking about a taurus titanium .45LC with a 2" snubby. or would i be better off with a short long gun ( i think a 45-70 out a truck window would pretty much get the point across to leave quick, fast, and in a hurry)
Rule #1: there is no easy wayRule #2: if,in fact, there is an easy way, it's mined (especially in Afghanistan or Kosovo!)
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  • idsman75idsman75 Member Posts: 13,398 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    You'll never legally get a handgun through Canada bud. Let me give you some quick advice since I know your situation. Come back to Iowa while you are on PCS leave. Get an Iowa permit to purchase handguns. Buy the guns here in Iowa because they don't do NICS checks on ANY firearms purchases in Iowa if you have a pistol permit. Then leave the guns with me in Sioux City and send me a red or blue-ink-signed copy of an FFL up in Alaska. I'll have them sent to you.If you take a gun in your vehicle and are travelling from state to state, you are protected by Title 18 of the United States Code. However, you stand the chance of running into ignorant yokel locals who don't know the USC from a hole in the ground. Then you are talking lawyers and the whole nine yards. It's best to observe the transportation laws of the states you are in. This is where it gets tricky: I have been told that you are protected by the interstate transportation clause found in Title 18 but you are only permitted to stop for food and fuel which does not include getting out of your car to sit down in a family-style restaurant. You probably wouldn't run into trouble in Idaho but you could get into some hanky-panky in a state like NY. I personally don't advocate contacting police agencies in the areas through which you plan to travel. I've been lied to out-and-out when doing this. Try planning a route of travel. Then go to www.packing.org and check out the laws and ordinances of the areas through which you plan to travel. After that, it's pretty much "traveller beware". However, you've known me long enough to understand my true feelings on this subject. Then again, I don't have a family to take care of. Better judged by 12 than carried by 6.[This message has been edited by idsman75 (edited 01-13-2002).]
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  • instrumentofwarinstrumentofwar Member Posts: 1,545 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    not going through canada, hoping to jump on the ferry in washington state to the penninsula in alaska
    Rule #1: there is no easy wayRule #2: if,in fact, there is an easy way, it's mined (especially in Afghanistan or Kosovo!)
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  • idsman75idsman75 Member Posts: 13,398 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Well, I certainly wouldn't have the thing loaded or anywhere CLOSE to accessible when taking the ferry. Taking recent terrorist incidents into consideration, they are probably searching ferrry customers and their vehicles randomly. Also, see my previous post. I edited it.Find out what city the ferry leaves from and let me know. It's been awhile since I was stationed at Ft. Lewis, WA but I still have some buddies out there in the state of WA.
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  • UnclePatUnclePat Member Posts: 77 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    If you are driving directly to your destination then why don't you just mail it to yourself? Yes, that is perfectly legal as long as you are the only one to open the package at your destination.
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  • LowriderLowrider Member Posts: 6,587
    edited November -1
    Take the Alaskan Ferry from Bellingham, Wa. Keep the guns locked in your car. No problem. I don't think it's legal, even with a Washington State concealed carry permit, to pack them on your person while on the ferry.
    Lord Lowrider the LoquaciousMember:Secret Select Society of Suave Stylish Smoking Jackets She was only a fisherman's daughter,But when she saw my rod she reeled.
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  • idsman75idsman75 Member Posts: 13,398 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Last time I checked you can't send guns in the mail unless you have an FFL.
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  • UnclePatUnclePat Member Posts: 77 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    idsman75,It's time for you to check the straight skinny at http://www.atf.treas.gov/firearms/faq/faq2.htm Yes, you can send a handgun to yourself WITHOUT an FFL. Look at #B10
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  • concealedG36concealedG36 Member Posts: 3,566 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Hey Pat, I read some of the stuff in your link and it says"Handguns are not mailable".??After reading a little more it seems to indicate that you may be able to send yourself a handgun with a contract carrier, though.
    Gun Control Disarms Victims, NOT Criminals[This message has been edited by concealedG36 (edited 01-13-2002).]
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  • idsman75idsman75 Member Posts: 13,398 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Okay, I was wrong for indicating that you could not mail firearms via US postal service if you do not have an FFL. I should have specified "firearms" to mean "handguns". instrumentofwar--you can't mail yourself a handgun via USPS. To quote the website indicated above (common carrier meaning FedEX or UPS):B8) May a nonlicensee ship a firearm through the U. S. Postal Service? A nonlicensee may mail a shotgun or rifle to a resident of his or her own state or to a licensee in any state. Handguns are not mailable. A common or contract carrier must be used to ship a handgun. A nonlicensee may not transfer any firearm to a nonlicensed resident of another state. The Postal Service recommends that longguns be sent by registered mail and that no marking of any kind which would indicate the nature of the contents be placed on the outside of any parcel containing firearms. (B9) May a nonlicensee ship a firearm by carrier? [Back]A nonlicensee may ship a firearm by carrier to a resident of his or her own state or to a licensee in any state. A common or contract carrier must be used to ship a handgun. In addition, Federal law requires that the carrier be notified that the shipment contains a firearm and prohibits common or contract carriers from requiring or causing any label to be placed on any package indicating that it contains a firearm. [18 U. S. C. 922( a)( 2)( A) and 922( e), 27 CFR 178.31] (B10) May a nonlicensee ship firearms interstate for his or her use in hunting or other lawful activity? [Back]Yes. A person may ship a firearm to himself or herself in care of another person in the state where he or she intends to hunt or engage in any other lawful activity. The package should be addressed to the owner. Persons other than the owner should not open the package and take possession of the firearm. However, how doesn't this conflict with possession of firearms in Post Offices? Last time I checked, it was illegal.[This message has been edited by idsman75 (edited 01-13-2002).]
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