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Agents detail seized weapons

Josey1Josey1 Member Posts: 9,598 ✭✭
edited November 2001 in General Discussion
Agents detail seized weaponsJurors view arsenals taken from the homes of militia members accused of plotting to blow up propane tanks.Denny Walsh -- Bee Staff Writer - (Published October 30, 2001)Kevin Patterson and Charles Kiles, the El Dorado County men accused of plotting to blow up two huge propane tanks in Elk Grove, literally surrounded themselves with firearms, explosives and literature on how to build and use both.FBI Special Agent George Fong took 25 minutes Friday to identify for a jury the 49 guns of various shapes, sizes and calibers that Kiles, 51, had stashed in his bedroom, an adjacent hallway and garage.Assistant U.S. Attorney Jodi Rafkin handed the weapons one-by-one to Fong on the witness stand, and the agent described each. They were seized, along with 70,000 rounds of ammunition and a collection of paramilitary training manuals, in a December 1999 raid on the Somerset residence where Kiles lived.Meanwhile, at a Camino residence where Patterson, 44, lived with his mother, members of the Sacramento region's Joint Terrorism Task Force were carting away an array of chemicals and what one FBI domestic terrorism expert testified is "the largestlibrary of sovereign-citizen literature I've ever seen."Patterson and Kiles were arrested on firearms charges and have been in custody since then. They later were charged in a grand jury indictment with conspiring to build and use "a weapon of mass destruction" on two 12-million-gallon liquid propane storage tanks near Grant Line Road off Highway 99.The anti-government militia members are being tried in Sacramento federal court.In examination that began Friday and stretched into Monday, Assistant U.S. Attorney R. Steven Lapham led FBI Special Agent Robert Born through weapons and explosive devices and their components, as well as chemicals in liquid, powder and solid form, which were found in bags, jars, cans - even an inner tube and a pie tin - scattered through Patterson's bedroom, garage and attic. Some of the containers werelabeled, some not. All were confiscated, and samples of each chemical were sent to the FBI lab in Washington, D.C.According to Born, a box of 32 hand-grenade bodies were found, three practice anti-personnel mines, a practice rifle-propelled grenade, blasting caps, fuses and a piece to convert an AR-15 or M-16 rifle from semiautomatic to fully automatic. One particularly sensitive "copper blasting cap with mercury fulminate" was detonated at the scene, and another device, called a "pill box," was immediately neutralized, Born said.Much of Born's testimony Monday dealt with Patterson's library. As Lapham stacked more than 100 books, manuals, pamphlets and fliers on the witness stand in front of him, the agent identified them and briefly described some contents. One publication, "Tech Terrorism," describes the United States' lack of preparedness and says the nation's liquid natural gas storage systems are vulnerable even to "untrained, amateur saboteurs." Another, "Basement Nukes," is a primer on building an atomic bomb.Other titles include: "Deadly Brew - Advanced Improvised Explosives"; "The Advanced Anarchist Arsenal"; "How to Kill" - volumes 1 through 5; "Electronic Guerrilla Warfare - Radio Jamming Techniques"; Deadly Homemade Weapons"; "Disruptive Terrorism"; "Advanced Man Trapping Techniques"; and "The Poisoner's Handbook."Under cross-examination by Patterson's attorney, Dwight Samuel, Bornacknowledged that he does not know whether Patterson read any of the material. The agent agreed that it is lawful to own such literature.In answer to other questions by Samuel, Born said agents found no evidence that Patterson had tried to activate the grenades, and he agreed a grenade is not a weapon of mass destruction.The agent also acknowledged that the chemicals found at Patterson's residence have uses other than homemade explosives. http://www.sacbee.com/content/news/story/1090249p-1154036c.html The Bee's Denny Walsh can be reached at (916) 321-1189 or dwalsh@sacbee.com .

Comments

  • LowriderLowrider Member Posts: 6,587
    edited November -1
    Since it's lawful to own "such literature", I'm wondering why the Feds confiscated his library."Sovereign-citizen literature?" The bounder. Imagine anyone putting themselves above the government.Hanging's too good for him.
    Lord Lowrider the LoquaciousMember:Secret Select Society of Suave Stylish Smoking Jackets She was only a fisherman's daughter,But when she saw my rod she reeled.
  • ThePaladinThePaladin Member Posts: 32 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    If the guns were legal, why were they confiscated. I realize the full auto sear would make for some tough explaining, even not installed in a gun. Some of the books, I have a little problem with, but also have a problem with sensoring them. Either this is a scumbag that needed to be removed, or one of us that is expecting more in the future than most of us are prepared for. Not fair to let batf decide, they are usually a little, no make that alot, overboard on this type of thing. And the fbi might not be any better.Inocent until proven guilty. Harsh words in this day and time, but still words that should mean something.
  • idsman75idsman75 Member Posts: 13,398 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Last time I checked, the citizen is sovreign. Somebody forgot that line...oh..how does it go....of the people for the people by the people....something like that. I guess it's not all that important.
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