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Pakistan and India, Will it go nuclear?

competentonecompetentone Member Posts: 4,696 ✭✭✭
edited May 2002 in General Discussion
What do all of you think?

I expect things to get out-of-control and to see a few nukes being detonated--but then I'm generally a pessimist...
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  • offerorofferor Member Posts: 8,625 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Who knows? We could flip a coin on that one. Since major environmental accidents from Chernobyl to Mt. St. Helens to Saddam's oil fires in Kuwait, it has become apparent that major disasters are not necessarily world threatening events. So -- let's just say I'm glad they're both on the other side of the planet.

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  • Josey1Josey1 Member Posts: 9,598 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I think Pakastan would be more likely to fire the first nuke as its' military force is so much smaller than Indias'.The Pakistani's could very well be backed into a corner with no other viable means out.This is where the USA and Russia are going to have to press them both,HARD,to get them to stand down.If they do decide to go Nuke they had better give our boy notice to get them the hell outta there,or at least to safety.

    "If cowardly and dishonorable men sometimes shoot unarmed men with army pistols or guns, the evil must be prevented by the penitentiary and gallows, and not by a general deprivation of a constitutional privilege." - Arkansas Supreme Court, 1878
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  • seductiveoneseductiveone Member Posts: 159 ✭
    edited November -1
    Things are allready outta control there. From what I gathered on the news, I think they will, but the news is on tv and I dont generally believe everything I see on tv. They have been in several wars over this kashmier reigon or whatever and like the Israili-palistinian conflict, will probly never end. At least for a while.
    I agree with Josie, they better let us know to get our troops outta there!



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  • sealyonsealyon Member Posts: 313 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Going to Nucs is going to be a reaction to to happenings. If things escalate too that point I got to beleive it would be Pakistan that would launch first. If they thought our presence would keep India from responding they might try it. I hope it never happens. If they should launch Nucs the best outcome would be if the hit Bagdad and Tehran
    accidently of course.......
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  • LowriderLowrider Member Posts: 6,587
    edited November -1
    I'm always astounded at the reality of countries like these having nuclear weapons. Their standard of living is piss poor; there are people starving, begging in the streets; but by God they got the bomb! Don't screw around with them! What a sick joke.

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  • jager22jager22 Member Posts: 197 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    its not looking too good, with pakistans missile test...that didnt send a good mesage
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  • interstatepawnllcinterstatepawnllc Member Posts: 9,390
    edited November -1
    Unlikely. As fanatical and uneducated as both sides are I believe there is still enough common sense amongst both parties to exclude the use of nuclear weapons. I do believe there will be major bloodbath of a war and who knows what after that??
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  • seductiveoneseductiveone Member Posts: 159 ✭
    edited November -1
    Yah I think who ever is loosin the blood bath will most likly send them over a nuke.

    I have to agree with lowrider that countries like this should not have nukes. I dont think they can be trusted. Just my opinion.



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  • gruntledgruntled Member Posts: 8,218 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    When it is all over we will have to pay the bill to go in and clean it up. Medical & relief facilities of the entire world will be strained beyond capasity.
    Cannot begin to imagine what the effect would be on the world economy.
    Hard as it is to imagine I would not bet against it happening.
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  • bartobarto Member Posts: 4,734 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    i kinda wonder what direction the prevailing winds blow from there?
    particularly as to iraq & iran.
    every cloud has a silver lining, so they say.
    barto

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  • concealedG36concealedG36 Member Posts: 3,566 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I read that if they do exchange nuclear bombs the expected fatality rate will exceed 100 million! Wow.

    Let's hope it doesn't come to that.



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  • competentonecompetentone Member Posts: 4,696 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Barto,

    The prevailing winds will carry fallout into China--which means they have an opinion about the conflict.

    If China thought one side was going to use a particularly dirty bomb (with conventional nuclear bombs, there are ways to decrease fallout and ways to increase it significantly), they might step-in on one side and help destroy the other...

    Which would turn the whole thing into a serious global war...


    Gruntled,

    Good point about us having to "pay the bill"--no matter what happens "locally, over there" it is going to cost us money.


    Lowrider,

    And the thing that REALLY sucks, is that we effectively gave these people "the bomb". Most of the scientists building nuclear weapons in Third World countries got their higher education here in the U.S.--an education often paid for with our tax dollars!!


    Maybe it's time to dig that fallout shelter...
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  • beachmaster73beachmaster73 Member Posts: 3,011 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    A lot of saber rattling right now. But I'm doubting that it wwill go nuclear....they don't like each other very much, but not enough to condemn millions of their own citizens to death. Millions of civilian deaths even if you win the war would tend to cut down on your chances of reelection. What we have here is a basic balance of terror....there is no master plan calling for merely taking out military targets. The balance of terror works well to ensure that neither side pulls the nuclear trigger.....Now if a terrorist gets hold of a nuc then all bets are off. Beach
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  • Judge DreadJudge Dread Member Posts: 2,372 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Let me see Pakistan ..Muslim, a lot of Idol demolishin talibans and a Monalisa smilling leader...

    India a cow adoring idol fetish nation with lot of idols and temples full of infidels and demons .

    The sum of the 2 make Total nuclear holocaust ....

    US have become the deferential on the motor of destruction turning the axis of evil ...I just say the weather channel will include the
    probability of "being nuked today" in the daily weather report....
    after India and Pakistan relations "Mushroom" up !!

    HEHEHE

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  • offerorofferor Member Posts: 8,625 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I remember back in the 60s "nuclear proliferation" was the official debating topic in high schools one year. There were a lot of good reasons for other smaller countries NOT to get the bomb.

    Without a lot of money, you can have a bomb, but it will be a "basic" bomb. You're not going to have a make, size and model for every purpose. I don't know how large these bombs or missiles in either Pakistan or India are, whether they have any dirty/clean technology, whether they are capable of surgical strikes or just plan to carpet wide areas. The likelihood of these being highly advanced, precise, low fallout nukes is not strong. Most likely, they will make a mess of both their countries, and make large portions of them unliveable, as well as creating a fallout cloud drifting to China and the immediate surroundings on all their borders. They will have of course all the same problems the Japanese did -- hundreds of thousands more merely maimed, blinded and wounded needing medical treatment for burns and other radiation afteraffects, related diseases, and eventual deaths from cancers and such.

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  • airborneairborne Member Posts: 1,728 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Let's pray it does not develop into a nuclear situation. I really doubt if Truman would have dropped the A-Bombs on Japan to end WWII if he knew Japan had the same capability to retaliate.

    Hopefully if the saber rattling get's out of hand China would step in and shut down, as it's a total threat to them, that if Nuks are fired it would spread devastation to their country.



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  • BlueTicBlueTic Member Posts: 4,072
    edited November -1
    Part of me says that they are HUMANE over there also - meaning - The people in power may be of another religion, but at least they had the money for a western type edjumacation. They are not the fanatic factions that we see in other countries w/dictatorial leadership. I do not trust goverments per-se but I do not beleive they would go Nuke, mostly because of global repercussions. The other part of me is screaming - go ahead you bastards - and I hope the fallout reaches Kailifornicate!!!!!!!!

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  • Josey1Josey1 Member Posts: 9,598 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I wouldn't trade one hair on a head of one of our boys over there for all the "thinning out" a nuke war would cause.

    "If cowardly and dishonorable men sometimes shoot unarmed men with army pistols or guns, the evil must be prevented by the penitentiary and gallows, and not by a general deprivation of a constitutional privilege." - Arkansas Supreme Court, 1878
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  • beachmaster73beachmaster73 Member Posts: 3,011 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Tonight India already appears to be softening their rhetoric. The saber rattling is good for sound bites but they are too smart for nuclear holocaust over a place like Kashmir.....even if it does have some really soft wool. Beach
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  • BullzeyeBullzeye Member Posts: 3,560
    edited November -1
    I'd like to amend my original saying:

    It is now "A little bit of religion, a little bit of power, or a little bit of pride are all enough to make a person really, really mean".

    Betwixt the two of them, they've probably got about 10 nukes. And their missile delivery systems are both hastily developed and poorly designed.

    That should give the world enough time to step in and do something about it.

    And by the world, I mean the US. The UN would be too busy wringing their bony little hands over pissants while elephants are busy stomping them to death.
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