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A sad experience at the Range

William81William81 Member Posts: 25,352 ✭✭✭✭
edited May 2002 in General Discussion
I stopped off at the range yesterday to fire a few rounds through my
Glock 23 and 27. I has just finished setting up when a car came in and out jumped a person I had met before. He loudly exclaimed, "wait till you see my new sniper rifle, I just picked it up." The guy is fairly new to shooting and got me all excited about seeing something special. He comes to the line with a very beat up AK clone with a cheap 4X scope and plastic bi-pod.

Not wanting to rain on his parade, I listened as he went on and on about how accurate the seller had told him it was and how he got a great deal on it. ($550.00 OUCH)

He set up at 100 yards and fired off the first shot which jammed up the works. I helped him clear it and he fired off two more shots and then another jam.

Checking the target revealed no hits anywhere on the 2 x 2 foot target he set up. I convinced him to go up to the twenty five yard line and we cleared his gun. I had him unload it and we put some oil in the right places. That and a different mag seems to take care of the feeding problems. After about 20 rounds and some work on the scope mount we finally got the thing to print 6' groups at 50 yards.

I really felt bad for the guy. He thought he had bought a tack driver and ended up with a below average shooter. I explained to him that the gun he had purchased was not designed as a sniper rifle and if the seller had indicated it was such, he was being less than honest with him.

I really hate to see a newbie get ripped off like that....

Comments

  • will270winwill270win Member Posts: 4,845
    edited November -1
    i could have put him in a tack driving 223 for that. He would have had to come up with a scope though. Makes you sick when folks don't tell it straight, don't it?


    ~Secret Select Society Of Suave Stylish Smoking Jackets~
  • seductiveoneseductiveone Member Posts: 159
    edited November -1
    For less than 400 he could have picked up an SKS w/a scope and would have been more accurate than that. I try to shoot a gun before I buy it otherwise I buy new. Hope he finds a good rifle.


    "Respect my authority"
  • n/an/a Member Posts: 168,427
    edited November -1
    I have had this experience with a few friends, a couple got completely turned off with their First Gun Experience, at the hands of some sleazy "DEALER"

    I have been around guns all my life,Taught small arms in the military. still dont know much about them. but really get my shorts twisted when this happens.

    LR
  • MPinkstonMPinkston Member Posts: 799 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I recently took my Norinco SKS w/receiver mount 4x scope and shot a 6 shot sub 1" group at 50 yards (the 100 yrd range was closed for a small bore match).

    aguncollector@yahoo.com

    Edited by - MPinkston on 05/25/2002 17:29:48
  • ProkoteProkote Member Posts: 82 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I've been very lucky, only one time I got stuck with a Dud,it was only 100 dollar lesson. Either, you buy new,or test fire that used firearm. I just picked up an Ak It is pretty consistant- about 1.5feet 3o'clock. It was new,and I knowing little of this type of firearm,I suddenly felt flushed, thinking the worst. After further inspection I realized the front sight needed a windage tool. Thank god!! Ordered one from the Broker,I'm waiting on it now.

    Shoot straight!
  • Josey1Josey1 Member Posts: 9,598 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    That must have been the same dealer(or same type) that I mentioned in a previous thread "Things that make you angry".I am SO VERY TIRED of seeing those few dealers willing to sell their soul to sell a rifle.I couldn't tell you how many gun shows I've been to that had"Match grade AK-47 sniper rifle" labeled on a SAR-1.What comes around goes around and hopefully all those liars will get theirs.Sorry to hear that your friend was victimized

    "If cowardly and dishonorable men sometimes shoot unarmed men with army pistols or guns, the evil must be prevented by the penitentiary and gallows, and not by a general deprivation of a constitutional privilege." - Arkansas Supreme Court, 1878
  • seductiveoneseductiveone Member Posts: 159
    edited November -1
    MPinkston- I've grouped 2" at 50 yrd w/open sites. Was kinda windy as always here. But I will never nock a SKS, cheap and acurate. Nice to see another SKSer out there.


    "Respect my authority"
  • ADfreeADfree Member Posts: 188 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    What a jerk. I feel bad for the guy.
  • .250Savage.250Savage Member Posts: 812 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Way. I do hope there is an afterlife, just so all these j$%koffs can roast a while. Like we don't have enough problems, they have to scare off newbies?

    Sounds like the story I heard where the guy at the gunshop sold the newbie woman looking for a self-defense gun a Colt Gold Cup instead of the 2-4" .38 Special he should have (the Gold Cup made him more money, ya know).

    I may disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.--Voltaire~Secret Select Society Of Suave Stylish Smoking Jackets~
  • daddodaddo Member Posts: 3,408
    edited November -1
    I just came back from the range and my sks did 1/2" at 100 yds.



    **NOT!**
  • beachmaster73beachmaster73 Member Posts: 3,011 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I don't think a Gold Cup is a bad self defense weapon. I always leave mine with my wife when I'm out of town. Very very very accurate and a neat sheet of flame coming out of the barrel at night! I do understand what you are saying but sometimes newbie customers ask the wrong question and force themselves into the wrong weapon. I'm not sure any dealer could call a 2 inch snubbie accurate by any standard. If the lady wanted a "real accurate" pistol how many of those does a guy have in his shop for under $800? If she is taught how to use it a Gold Cup is much much better for defense than a snubbie. A snubbie is built for light weight easy carry not for accuracy. Just a thought from the other side of the fence. My wife can keep her shotswith the Gold Cup in the scoring rings at 25 yards...ok ok a lot of 5's; but with a pistol I think that's adequate for her. It would be pretty hard to do that with a 2 inch snubbie. Beach
  • BullzeyeBullzeye Member Posts: 3,560
    edited November -1
    The AK is good for many different things, but a sniper rifle it's not.

    First of all, sniper rifle is an inherent military term. I would think a sniper rifle would mean A)It's for long range interdiction, and nothing else, B)It's pinpoint-accurate at a minimum of 500 yards and up, and C) It can kill a man with precision at that range.

    There are a lot of rifles that can be scoped and made into fairly accurate shooting pieces. But they arent sniper rifles.

    A scoped AR-15 is not a sniper rifle. A scoped SKS is not a sniper rifle. A scoped SAR-1 is most definitely not a sniper rifle.

    A scoped M1 could be one, a scoped Remington 700 could be one (if it was chambered in .308 or .30-06), and a scoped FN FAL could certainly be one.

    I love my SAR-1, but you've got to know basic physics.

    No matter how proud you are of a rifle, how much you like a rifle, or what someone has told you about what it can do, that doesnt make it a sniper rifle.
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