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Follow Up on REPARATIONS

n/an/a Member Posts: 168,427
edited August 2002 in General Discussion
The Black Leaders are still demanding Huge amounts of Money, and Huge amounts of Land, in payment for something that happened 200 yrs ago.

What states will we give them?

It is still a scam. Who would collect the money and distribute it,YEP your right.

And really! who would benifit?, YEP your right.

"A wise man is a man that realizes just how little he knows"
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  • HAIRYHAIRY Member Posts: 23,606
    edited November -1
    Surely you want to see that justice is done, don't you?

    It's not what you know that gets you in trouble, it's what you know that just ain't so!
  • allen griggsallen griggs Member Posts: 35,690 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Martin Luther King was a great man who did an important job. When I was a kid a black kid could not attend the University of Ga. That was unfair. King got that straightened out. But since his death civil rights leadership has gone to extortionists like Jesse Jackson and pieces of s*** like Al Sharpton. Lacking anything to do, civil rights leadership comes up with bs like reparations, or trying to teach ebonics as a legitimate language.

    "Not as deep as a well, or as wide as a church door, but it is enough."
  • RugerNinerRugerNiner Member Posts: 12,636 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I'd like to see how everyone applying for Reparations prove they are descendants of Slaves.

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  • n/an/a Member Posts: 168,427
    edited November -1
    All they would have to prove is that they are Black.

    I saw the clip on the Black Militants, in Washington that were demonstrating for the Reparations, Standing on the Podium and Shouting "BLACK POWER"

    How long would any other ethnic group be alowed to do that???

    "A wise man is a man that realizes just how little he knows"
  • dhdh Member Posts: 127 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    The Houston city council took a vote several weeks ago on this subject.I think the point of it all was whether the council would endorse the federal government in a study of reparations.Many other large cities have passed this very thing,but not Houston,it failed.You should have seen the crap hit the fan.The mayor,who is black,said he would let the feds know that he and many others still supported this move.The big blow hards said now they would demonstrate against the possibility of one the Olympics being held in Houston the next time the Olympic Committee comes to town again,Houston is on the short list already for one of the upcoming games.And so it goes.
  • sjc1sjc1 Member Posts: 130
    edited November -1
    First off, there is no justification for slavery. Secondly, the slave trade was conducted by Africans and Arabs on the African continent. They were the suppliers of slaves. Why not go after the suppliers for reparations? Third, there is a large slave trade being conducted in Africa today by Africans. Why not try to put an end to the current slave trade? Fourth, the standard of living, today, in the U.S. is higher than in Africa (this is my opinion of the overall standard of living in both areas). Fifth, and I do not want this to be taken as a racist remark, one has to ask if the average black in America today that is descended from slaves is better off than the average African in Africa?
  • NighthawkNighthawk Member Posts: 12,022 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I can think of one State to give them,and its not one of ours.

    Rugster


    Toujours Pret
  • turboturbo Member Posts: 820 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Reparations have been paid to blacks in the way of welfare, set aside programs, and bussing to the schools of their choices, no to mentioned quotas at the higher education establishments.

    So the way I see it, if your black and haven't taken advantage of these your are outta luck.

    Most all of these are still available, somewhere in the nation; I say if your state don't offer them all, move yourself to the state which does, I for one will be glad to make room for you in KA, very soon.

    What these black so called leaders reall mean by their strong support for reparations, is that;

    the government should give them (these leaders) the monies so they can administrate and doll out the benes.

    No thanks to all the reverends and mulas, including Muffuswi.

    "The great object is that every man.... everyone who is able may have a gun." Patrick Henry
  • Judge DreadJudge Dread Member Posts: 2,372 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    DARN ! A disapearing act >>>> Well was it the Rasta music or the roach stuff ??

    Well there is no politicaly correct way of putting it, any way you look at it it sucks......


    JD

    400 million cows can't be wrong ( EAT GRASS !!! )
  • E.WilliamsE.Williams Member Posts: 1,101 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I have strongly declared my opinions on this BS before but I will make a observation about the speech I saw regarding reperations.It had a young "brother" on there rapping a little rhyme about reperations.It included how we whites fear blacks like him,how they are demanding free homes and medical care,nd how if we dont show him the money he is going to show us a Glock.(1)Who is scared?..(2)they already have free homes and medical coverage..(3)If he can afford a Glock he isnt too needy....(4)Does anybody know a quicker way to get your * shot off than pulling a Glock on somebody for their money?To threaten someone with violence for them not giving you something they want Isnt that called extortion?Says alot for the people arguing for reperations that instead f giving good intelligent reasons they resort to Im gonna pull my Glock.Which happens to be one of the major contributing factors why alot of people dont like blacks.(1)wanting something for nothing!..(2)too damn eager to go pulling Glock.

    Eric S. Williams

    Edited by - E.Williams on 08/23/2002 19:05:32
  • HAIRYHAIRY Member Posts: 23,606
    edited November -1
    You know, reparations were paid to certain groups because of the actions of the Governments involved (e.g., American Japanese; German Jews, etc.). As far as I am concerned, reparations that might be due should be forthcoming from the government that initiated slavery. My present knowledge of the US slavery issue is that it was not a government-sponsored thing. Perhaps justice demands that only the descendants of the slave owners should pay reparations. Didn't some US citizens forfeit their lives (paid reparations) because of a slavery question back about 150 years or so ago?

    It's not what you know that gets you in trouble, it's what you know that just ain't so!
  • E.WilliamsE.Williams Member Posts: 1,101 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    A little analogy tht comes to mind with this issue is that you cant blame whites for participating in slavery no more than you can blame men for degrading strippers.If a beautiful woman is willfully taking her clothes off and we decide to watch are we the ones guilty of the degradation?No.The woman is for taking her clothes off.Are we to blame for someone giving us cheap labor and accepting?No.Their brothers and sisters are the guilty for selling them into it.

    Eric S. Williams
  • AlpineAlpine Member Posts: 15,092 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    E.Williams: The elements of using force or fear to take something of value from another is- ROBBERY.
    So the black leaders are saying that if you don't give us what we want we will commit robbery.
    Well Mr. Smith and Mr. Wesson might have something to say about trying to rob the armed citizens.

    "If you ain't got pictures, I wasn't there."
    ?The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.?
    Margaret Thatcher

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  • VarmintmistVarmintmist Member Posts: 1,074 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Hairy, you said that the desendants of slave holders need to pay reperations?? to see justice done?? Well, I for one know that my forefathers WERE slaveowners. Guess what, I am not a slave owner, bring the glock, and a bunch of friends and Ill be the clorine for your gene pool. If you decide that I need to pay $ because of what a family tree that goes back to before the revolution says, good luck. Best do a real close check of your family tree, make sure your ancestors never offended anyone.

    I could go back farther in history and say that the Brits owe me cash because the invaded Ireland, and Scotland. Or farther yet and demand reperations from Italy for attacking the germanic tribes. Or closer to home, how about a cool million cause a great great grandpa didnt leave on the trail of tears?

    Im starting to like this idea. 40 acers and a mule figure about 60000.00, I could pay that out of the pocket change from what the Holy Roman Empire owes me. Then I collect from the English, the French, Moors, and the US gov. Heck, Im set for life.

    Those people who see nothing but grey areas, no black and white, are lost in the fog.

    Edited by - Varmintmist on 08/23/2002 20:46:10
  • Judge DreadJudge Dread Member Posts: 2,372 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I will just predict this will not end good at all, The forces behind this are too strong to ignore , in a sense extremely deadly to ignore.

    JD

    400 million cows can't be wrong ( EAT GRASS !!! )
  • allen griggsallen griggs Member Posts: 35,690 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    To have a black punk saying "show me the money or I will show you a Glock" terrifies white liberals, because they are disarmed and they are scared of guns. But when this arrogant remark falls upon the ears of a white conservative or libertarian, who has something more powerful than a Glock, this white person thinks, "Go ahead. Make my day."

    "Not as deep as a well, or as wide as a church door, but it is enough."
  • n/an/a Member Posts: 168,427
    edited November -1
    The reparations that were paid out to the Japanese and the Jewish, were paid out to the actual people that were wronged, not their decendants from 200 yrs ago.

    "A wise man is a man that realizes just how little he knows"
  • gskyhawkgskyhawk Member Posts: 4,773
    edited November -1
    maybe some one is tring to start a race war here , so our government has more on their hands to deal with and it will take some of the governments attention off of the terrorist
  • E.WilliamsE.Williams Member Posts: 1,101 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Gskyhawk now that is a interesting theory.

    Eric S. Williams
  • flatdogflatdog Member Posts: 201 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Gentelmen and Ladies,

    I have followed this thread with great interest and have seen a large proportion of comments that go something like this. " I'd like to see him try( fill in the blank ) that with me. Enough with the testosterone already.


    You are missing the point. It is yet another attempt to push the agenda of redistibution of wealth. Socialism redressed, by people both black and white that wish to see the United States brought to it's knees.


    It is no accident that the rally on the mall played out just like a '60s anti-war rally. The usuall suspects put it together. Tired worn out professional radical/socialists. It was no accident that the fire brand speakers were held until the end. Not a good idea to start off by talking about slapping white men and saying that sharks developed the taste for human flesh on the middle passage of the Triangular Trade.


    The idea was to start with the camp meeting feel good, well met in a common cause theme. Invoke reverence for ancestors and their accomplishments in spite of trails and tribulations. Then move progressively to the left without stepping on too many tender toes.
    The time was spent playing to emotions not encouraging rational thought. The moderator stated that a dialogue was both desired and needed ,but it was abundently clear this was not the case.Descenting opinion was squashed by using the race card to inflame racist sentiment in some of the crowd, and to hold any descenters in check by calling them hankerchief heads, confused and so forth.


    These were snake oil salesman at work. When the veracity of the pitch is challenged the huckster retorts with "Go away kid ya bother me". and continues to draw in the crowd.
    The organizers of this rally are past masters at manipulating the truth. Couch half truths and out right lies in as much truth as possible and give it the hard sell. "YOU OWE US" is designedly inflammatory, and judging from the responses in this thread it worked.


    I viewed the rally on C-SPAN in it's entirety twice. Yes twice, five hours{the length of the event} is a long time to attempt conceal your true purpose when constantly on camera. As well as the Heritage Foundation program on reparations also on C-SPAN.
    You would be much better served with the later not the former.

    The likelyhood of reparations ever being paid is almost non existent.
    It is quite simply a logistics nightmare. If you forego the main problem, who will pay what to whom. Which of course is never addressed. You are still left with the insurmountable obstacle of who will hold the purse strings and who will dispense the funds. The process is doomed from the start. As evidenced by the poorly concealed monumental egoism and greed shown on the podium from start to finish.


    This is classic divide and conquer.They are well aware that race relations are not nearly as bad as they once were in this country and if they don't fan the flames they will lose power. Cooler clear thinking heads must prevail.

    Emotion is the antithisis of reason, almost no decision based on emotion proves to be correct.

    It does no good to argue with the reparations mentality. People that hold to this idea are just like owls.The more light you shine on them the less they see.





    " Love is what goes on between a man and a .45 pistol that won't jam."

    Edited by - flatdog on 08/24/2002 02:51:15
  • E.WilliamsE.Williams Member Posts: 1,101 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Flatdog what can I say very well put!A little passive but well put.

    Eric S. Williams
  • CWatsonCWatson Member Posts: 964 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Let all slaves get reparations from the slave owners!Oh yeah they are all dead!No living white man owns a slave now,and no living black man was a slave(in the usa).Crap everyone in history has been wronged one time or another.Should we take the Italians to court because the Romans feed my ancestors to lions?A hundred or a thousand years,past is past.Just a bunch of freeloaders looking for a new way to score the easy buck.

    1.A near miss is still a miss!
    2.Before I got married I spent half my money on women and guns,THE REST I WASTED!
    3.Wasn't me!
  • bartobarto Member Posts: 4,734 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    you gotta admit that "king jesse" and "prince al" have a nice ring to them.
    barto

    the hard stuff we do right away - the impossible takes a little longer
  • allen griggsallen griggs Member Posts: 35,690 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Flatdog there is a big difference between an anti Vietnam War rally and a reparations rally. How did you come up with that non-sequitur?

    "Not as deep as a well, or as wide as a church door, but it is enough."
  • mcneely77mcneely77 Member Posts: 411 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    If there are any slave owners left alive, and any slaves left alive, let them work it out. You rarely see the older blacks that were alive and beaten in the 60's complaining about the things going on in America today. They see how far we have come in race relations. They know how much better it is now. It is all the young punks that have never been abused or mistreated looking for somehting for nothing and using isolated past incidents to justify it. Racism is racism, black or white, and it is time we start calling them on it.

    Do not mistake my kindness for weakness.

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  • 218Beekeep218Beekeep Member Posts: 3,033
    edited November -1
    It will get worse,and worse....untill
    something will have to give....people
    will will have to choose sides.

    .218
  • txnhntrtxnhntr Member Posts: 136 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    i am willing to settle with them on the 40 acres and a mule. what they gonna do with that anyway????? i can not make a living off 2000 acres and 400 cows!!! i will give them reparations, and do away with welfare and food stamps, then what would they do??? if you collect reparations then you ought not be eligible for gov't aid.

    glen e nuinez
  • VarmintmistVarmintmist Member Posts: 1,074 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Flatdog, where the cash goes has been discussed. To the (get hold of yourself) black "leaders" for social programs. Imagine that.

    Those people who see nothing but grey areas, no black and white, are lost in the fog.
  • HAIRYHAIRY Member Posts: 23,606
    edited November -1
    Classic: You're partially correct in that SOME reparations were paid to the actual people who suffered. However, please note that Germany has paid (and is still paying) reparations to the State of Israel (which didn't exist at the time the injuries were done). I believe some other States (Poland? Austria?) may have paid reparations as well.

    It's not what you know that gets you in trouble, it's what you know that just ain't so!
  • flatdogflatdog Member Posts: 201 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Hello E. Williams,

    Thanks for the kind words on my post. I will have to work on the mild part. Must have been that milque-toast that I was eatin' before I sat down to post.

    Hello Allen Griggs,

    My post is an analogy which is the opposite of a non-sequitur. It was exactly on point.

    That point being the tactics and players have not fundamentally changed since the '60s.


    Pick a topic that is sure to polarize the populace. Play on their greatest fears. Use bumper sticker phrases and illogic. Promise something for nothing. Claim that they and they alone are the sole purveyors of truth. Assassinate the character of anyone who dares to disagree with them while claiming the moral high ground. The issues change the method of operation is static.

    If you think there is no connection between the two issues ponder this. Class warfare and redistribution of wealth/land are basic tenets of socialism/communism. The Students for a Democratic Society, the Weather Underground,the Black Panthers, The Nation of Islam and various separatist movements all were anti-war. All were socialist, communist or just plain anarchists.

    Any of those names on the guest list at the reparations rally?
    The song remains the same.

    flatdog out.
















    " Love is what goes on between a man and a .45 pistol that won't jam."
  • allen griggsallen griggs Member Posts: 35,690 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Flatdog-The premise of the anti-war movement was that winning the War in Vietnam was not important to the security of the US. Therefore the best thing to do was to withdraw the troops so that no more Americans or Vietnamese died needlessly. Thirty three years of hindsight proves this to be true. The "reparations" movement claims that all whites are responsible for slavery. This is untrue. It claims that all black Americans suffered under slavery. This is untrue. Then it claims that it is just and fair for white America to pay the blacks 7 trillion dollars, and give them land. This is ridiculous. Your assertion that the two movements are similar doesn't stand up. Sure there were some socialists involved in the anti war movement. America withdrew from the war, America lost the war, but America didn't go socialist, so the socialists lost their main objective. I'm sure you could find American Nazis who oppose reparations, but that would not mean that the anti-reparations group is by and large a bunch of Nazis.

    "Not as deep as a well, or as wide as a church door, but it is enough."

    Edited by - allen griggs on 08/25/2002 08:55:25
  • E.WilliamsE.Williams Member Posts: 1,101 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    1 point for Allen!!I like this,very intelligent debate going on here.

    Eric S. Williams
  • flatdogflatdog Member Posts: 201 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    E.Williams,

    Neither the outcome of the vietnam war nor the probable outcome of reparations demands changes the type of people who put these rallys together. Nor the methods they employ. That is the point.

    The similarities are obvious and withstand refutation.


    " Love is what goes on between a man and a .45 pistol that won't jam."
  • gruntledgruntled Member Posts: 8,218 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    What about reparations for decendants of slave owners whose property was taken from them without due process or compensation?
  • HAIRYHAIRY Member Posts: 23,606
    edited November -1
    Don't forget when accounting the amount of reparations that MAY be due to deduct:

    a. Clothing
    b. Food
    c. Housing
    d. Entertainment (gourds and string)
    e. Religious Education
    f. Pension/retirement
    g. Personal gravesite when deceased
    h. Transportation to work site

    It's not what you know that gets you in trouble, it's what you know that just ain't so!
  • DarrellDarrell Member Posts: 733 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I will be more than glad to pay reparations. It is the right thing
    to do to pay for our share of what our ancestors did to the blacks.
    I'm sure mine were involved in some way and my guilt is beyond words.
    BUT...if I have to pay I want my slave.
  • Will on kauaiWill on kauai Member Posts: 37 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Wait one minute !!!!
    During the civil war Did not the north win the war and set all the slaves FREE!!!!! How can they ask for money from this goverment when it's this goverment that went to war to set them FREE. Boy talk about ungrateful!!! This also sounds like ALL the countrys in the world that we helped now stabbing us in the back!!!!!!
  • Judge DreadJudge Dread Member Posts: 2,372 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Acording to goverment story AIDS was spread by africans having sex with monkeys ,then they have to pay reparations to the 70 million aids victims ,not to mention syphylis,african gonorea ,herpex africans and yellow fever and hundred more parasitic worms carried to america (north and south) by black slaves .....

    JD

    400 million cows can't be wrong ( EAT GRASS !!! )
  • HAIRYHAIRY Member Posts: 23,606
    edited November -1
    Judge: You gotta build up the immunity somewhere, right?

    It's not what you know that gets you in trouble, it's what you know that just ain't so!
  • firing pinfiring pin Member Posts: 144 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Hairy did you get your Gun Blue? Tom at thefiringpin.com
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