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Officer Cleared in Death of Police Dog.. Follow up

select-fireselect-fire Member Posts: 69,516 ✭✭✭✭
edited May 2006 in General Discussion
I don't understand why they relieved him of his duties with dogs...


Deputy Won't Face Charges in Dog's Death


Deputy John Baker


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(Richland County) - A Richland County Sheriff's deputy is being reassigned, but won't face criminal prosecution in the death of his K-9 partner, Atilla. That word came Wednesday afternoon from Richland County Sheriff Leon Lott.

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"No one feels worse than Atilla's handler, Deputy John Paul Baker," Lott said. "Atilla depended on his partner, Deputy Baker, to protect him, and Deputy Baker failed in this duty."

Atilla died last week after being left in Baker's patrol car. Lott says Baker left his vehicle to conduct training and returned to find the dog unresponsive. The safety devices that are installed in the K-9 vehicles to prevent this type of occurrence were not utilized, according to Lott.

"Deputy Solicitor Dayton Riddle of the 11th Judicial Circuit, has reviewed the investigation of The South Carolina Humane Society Investigator Steve Stephenson, and both have reached the conclusion that Deputy Baker will not be criminally prosecuted for the death of Atilla," Lott said. "However, disciplinary action, which includes suspension without pay and removal from the K-9 Unit has been taken against Deputy Baker. Deputy Baker will remain a Deputy with the Sheriff's Department.

"Deputy Baker has been a dedicated police dog handler who views his assigned dogs not as an animal, but as a partner," Lott said. "Deputy Baker must now live with the knowledge that he caused the death of his partner. This is a cross he will forever bear."

"As a result of this incident, we are putting into place mandatory policy and procedures concerning use of the equipment and length of time a police dog is left in a vehicle," Lott said. "This tragic incident has no winners or losers. Hopefully, Atilla's death will be used as an example of why we must go the extra steps to protect our police dogs."

Van O'Cain, New Media Manager


Updated: 5/24/2006 4:59:02 PM

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  • Smokeeater 38Smokeeater 38 Member Posts: 2,735
    edited November -1
    What state is this from?

    One of our county Deputy's had his dog get over heated when the A/C quit working in his car and he didn't know it. Luckly his dog recovered, he was somewhat unresponsive and was rushed to a Vet.
  • SperrySperry Member Posts: 5,006 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Richland County is in South Carolina.
  • Smokeeater 38Smokeeater 38 Member Posts: 2,735
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Sperry
    Richland County is in South Carolina.


    Thanks
  • yawarakaiyawarakai Member Posts: 2,688 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Wound up watching some K-9 units last year during a training. The cops asked us to keep an eye on their cars during lunch. They left the cars running with the air on and the hoods open.
  • p3skykingp3skyking Member Posts: 23,916 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    To be responsible for the dead of another by your negligence must be a terrible burden to bear. There is no way to ever make it right.
    [:(]

    I wonder what fate has in store for deputy John Baker.
  • beantownshootahbeantownshootah Member Posts: 12,776 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:"This tragic incident has no winners or losers. Hopefully, Atilla's death will be used as an example of why we must go the extra steps to protect our police dogs."

    That's nice to say, but there are three losers here. The dog lost his life, the department lost a trained dog (which is both a PR loss as well as a capital loss, since obtaining and training police dogs isn't cheap), and of course the responsible officer lost honor as well as his position with the K9 unit. This was a negative incident; you cant spin it as neutral with a straight face.

    Incidentally, I think the punishment meted out here is perfectly proportionate to the incident. No crime was committed (it is only a dog, and the incident, however regrettable was clearly not deliberate), so no criminal charges were levelled. Meanwhile, the Officer in question was responsible for the care of his dog, he failed (badly) in executing his responsibility, and now that he's proven he can't handle it, the responsibility was taken away from him.
  • p3skykingp3skyking Member Posts: 23,916 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by beantownshootah
    Incidentally, I think the punishment meted out here is perfectly proportionate to the incident. No crime was committed (it is only a dog, and the incident, however regrettable was clearly not deliberate), so no criminal charges were levelled.


    Interesting attitude. If daycare workers leave an infant in a van until it cooks it's only an infant. The family didn't have much time to get THAT close to it. Of course, it was an accident and clearly not deliberate.

    Just fire the workers and maybe others will take note.

    I wonder how we would feel if a superior bunch of space aliens landed and started roasting us for their lunch? No big deal, it's only humans.

    Incidently, I think a crime was committed. It's called cruelty to animals. Accidently running over someone is still called manslaughter unless your drunk, then it's murder. What happens if a citizen kills a police dog? Does being a dog rather than a man make a difference?

    Should it make a difference?
  • select-fireselect-fire Member Posts: 69,516 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by p3skyking
    quote:Originally posted by beantownshootah
    Incidentally, I think the punishment meted out here is perfectly proportionate to the incident. No crime was committed (it is only a dog, and the incident, however regrettable was clearly not deliberate), so no criminal charges were levelled.


    Interesting attitude. If daycare workers leave an infant in a van until it cooks it's only an infant. The family didn't have much time to get THAT close to it. Of course, it was an accident and clearly not deliberate.

    Just fire the workers and maybe others will take note.

    I wonder how we would feel if a superior bunch of space aliens landed and started roasting us for their lunch? No big deal, it's only humans.

    Incidently, I think a crime was committed. It's called cruelty to animals. Accidently running over someone is still called manslaughter unless your drunk, then it's murder. What happens if a citizen kills a police dog? Does being a dog rather than a man make a difference?

    Should it make a difference?


    I disagee with Sheriff Lott's decision. He was cleard criminally thru the courts. Now punish the Officer for a mechanical fault of the car ( cause it malfunctioned )? Wrong. This Officer I bet will leave the Dept. and go somewhere ( probably another Sheriff or Police Dept.) where he enjoys working with dogs.
  • allen griggsallen griggs Member Posts: 35,689 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    He should be criminally charged, cruelty to animals.

    "The safety devices that are installed in the K-9 vehicles to prevent this type of occurrence were not utilized, according to Lott."
    The Deputy did not turn on the safety devices, he was negligent.

    I am sure that Deputy Baker will make a fine DARE officer, or maybe a "School Resource Officer".
    Isn't that where they stick the Barney Fifes?
  • tacking1tacking1 Member Posts: 3,844
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by allen griggs
    He should be criminally charged, cruelty to animals.

    "The safety devices that are installed in the K-9 vehicles to prevent this type of occurrence were not utilized, according to Lott."
    The Deputy did not turn on the safety devices, he was negligent.

    I am sure that Deputy Baker will make a fine DARE officer, or maybe a "School Resource Officer".
    Isn't that where they stick the Barney Fifes?



    wonder what we would be saying if it had been a cat...or frog, or lizard....do they have less of a soul than do dogs?
  • select-fireselect-fire Member Posts: 69,516 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by allen griggs
    He should be criminally charged, cruelty to animals.

    "The safety devices that are installed in the K-9 vehicles to prevent this type of occurrence were not utilized, according to Lott."
    The Deputy did not turn on the safety devices, he was negligent.

    I am sure that Deputy Baker will make a fine DARE officer, or maybe a "School Resource Officer".
    Isn't that where they stick the Barney Fifes?



    Human error,, I stand corrected.[B)][B)]
  • select-fireselect-fire Member Posts: 69,516 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I think this one has a big rug to sweep it under and let it just go away.
  • wipalawipala Member Posts: 11,067
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by p3skyking
    quote:Originally posted by beantownshootah
    Incidentally, I think the punishment meted out here is perfectly proportionate to the incident. No crime was committed (it is only a dog, and the incident, however regrettable was clearly not deliberate), so no criminal charges were levelled.


    Interesting attitude. If daycare workers leave an infant in a van until it cooks it's only an infant. The family didn't have much time to get THAT close to it. Of course, it was an accident and clearly not deliberate.

    Just fire the workers and maybe others will take note.

    I wonder how we would feel if a superior bunch of space aliens landed and started roasting us for their lunch? No big deal, it's only humans.

    Incidently, I think a crime was committed. It's called cruelty to animals. Accidently running over someone is still called manslaughter unless your drunk, then it's murder. What happens if a citizen kills a police dog? Does being a dog rather than a man make a difference?
    Should it make a difference?
    In a word yes. If you run over a dog it is not a crime but if you run over a person it well could be. The dog regardless of it's training and occupation is still only a dog. There were supposed to be safeguards and systems to keep the animal safe and they failed or were not used. It is regrettable but not a crime to accidentaly kill an animal. This is not to say animal cruelty laws are bad but there should be a level of intent in them. If you knowingly starve or beat an animal is one thing but to leave it in a vehicle that is supposed to have protection against this type of thing has not inherent intent or negligence
  • CS8161CS8161 Member Posts: 13,596 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Cats, frogs and lizards have not formed a bond with man that is millions of years in the making, that is the difference.

    quote:Originally posted by tacking1
    quote:Originally posted by allen griggs
    He should be criminally charged, cruelty to animals.

    "The safety devices that are installed in the K-9 vehicles to prevent this type of occurrence were not utilized, according to Lott."
    The Deputy did not turn on the safety devices, he was negligent.

    I am sure that Deputy Baker will make a fine DARE officer, or maybe a "School Resource Officer".
    Isn't that where they stick the Barney Fifes?



    wonder what we would be saying if it had been a cat...or frog, or lizard....do they have less of a soul than do dogs?
  • BHAVINBHAVIN Member Posts: 3,490 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    This Police K-9 was a sworn officer. Maybe not in this particular area but in many a police K-9 is treated the SAME as any other Police officer as they should be. I have worked with police K-9's and their dedication and loyalty to their partner is above reproach. The same cannot always be said visa versa. It's not just a dog or a normal run of the mill mutt this is a highly trained SWORN POLICE OFFICER. If the officer had left his human partner locked in the back of his cruiser he'd be going to jail. As I believe that he should be here. K-9's are there to help save police officer and civilian lives. To have wasted this K-9's life because of negligence is criminal.
  • William81William81 Member Posts: 25,469 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    How on earth can a dog be a "Sworn" officer. Don't get me wrong, I feel awful for the handler of this police dog. A couple LEO's I know are K9 officers. Police Dogs are trained to respond to certain commands or stimulis.

    Just asking a question....
  • beantownshootahbeantownshootah Member Posts: 12,776 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by p3skyking
    quote:Originally posted by beantownshootah
    Incidentally, I think the punishment meted out here is perfectly proportionate to the incident. No crime was committed (it is only a dog, and the incident, however regrettable was clearly not deliberate), so no criminal charges were levelled.


    Interesting attitude. If daycare workers leave an infant in a van until it cooks it's only an infant. The family didn't have much time to get THAT close to it. Of course, it was an accident and clearly not deliberate.

    Just fire the workers and maybe others will take note.

    I wonder how we would feel if a superior bunch of space aliens landed and started roasting us for their lunch? No big deal, it's only humans.

    Incidently, I think a crime was committed. It's called cruelty to animals. Accidently running over someone is still called manslaughter unless your drunk, then it's murder. What happens if a citizen kills a police dog? Does being a dog rather than a man make a difference?

    Should it make a difference?


    Yes, it makes a difference. A **BIGod difference.

    Animals aren't people. People aren't animals.

    Killing a person isn't the same as killing a dog. I think that's self-evident.

    Do you cry when you step on an ant? If not, why not?

    One doesn't give dogs (or cats, or gorillas, or horses, or chickens) the same consideration that you give people. If that makes me a racist (or "speciist"), then I'm 100% a racist.

    If you think dogs deserve equal consideration as humans, then you should also grant them the right to vote, the right to keep and bear arms, marriage rights, and the right to own property. Furthermore, eating meat would then be legally equivalent to murder, and eating eggs infanticide. If one animal kills another, that animal should be subject to the death penalty, right?

    If you think the latter considerations are insane (as I do), then congratulations. . .you probably aren't a member of PETA.

    Now, with respect to allegations of cruelty, cruelty implies that the act in question was done deliberately or with reckless indifference. I submit to you that though this officer was clearly negligent, there can be little doubt that he didn't deliberately hurt this dog. Whether or not there was reckless indifference consituting criminal action is debateable. . .I don't think you can tell that based only on this account, but there was an investigation, and the man was cleared. Personally, knowing how quickly a large dog can overheat and die, without knowing more details I am willing to give this guy the benefit of the doubt, and to accept the dept's interpretation.

    Incidentally, I don't believe in Aliens from space, but if a bunch of them arrived on Earth, I wouldn't simply extend them property rights, the right to vote, etc, without at least a formal debate first. If they started eating people, I would support appropriate defensive action, including the use of lethal force, if necessary. . .the same as if a pack of wolves started running amok in a town doing the same, or a gang of people.
  • beantownshootahbeantownshootah Member Posts: 12,776 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by BHAVIN
    This Police K-9 was a sworn officer.

    What language did the dog swear his oath in?

    Would you allow the dog to become the chief of your department?

    If not, why not?
  • Patriots sonPatriots son Member Posts: 915 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    The guy was a COMPLETE idiot!! Say what you want but he did not use
    proper procedure in leaving his dog in the car, otherwise he would have used the saftey device, or removed dog from car. What do you think they did before Technology? This guy, good guy or not is a idiot. What other procedures does he not follow? This one cost a Good Dog his life. Just my 2 cents
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