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Army Ranger

Gene B.Gene B. Member Posts: 892 ✭✭✭✭
edited August 2002 in General Discussion
Hi its been awhile since I last posted here. I am seriously considering trying to become an Army Ranger. For the most part all I want to know, is what I have to do to become one, and how do I get into Ranger School, what are the physical requirements, etc. I live right by a military base so I'll probably be talking to a recruiter there soon. Also I was in ROTC throughout high school, and know Spanish and German, I dont If that will help any become a Ranger. I know alot of yall will say dont enlist now theres a war going on, call me crazy but I actually want to go to war. And if I some how do become a Ranger what are my chances that I'll be sent to the middle east? Semper Fi do or Die.

P.S. I dont have email so I really cant email anybody.

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  • DancesWithSheepDancesWithSheep Member Posts: 12,938 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I would talk with an Army recruiter (on the phone).

    Why does man kill? He kills for food. But not only for food; frequently, he must have a beverage.
  • Matt45Matt45 Member Posts: 3,185
    edited November -1
    IDSMAN!!!!!

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  • BullzeyeBullzeye Member Posts: 3,560
    edited November -1
    First off: If you go into an Army recruiting office and use the phrase "Semper Fi, Do or Die", they're all gonna laugh at you. It's the motto of the Marine Corps.

    Secondly: I applaud your interest. I'm on a Ranger-track contract myself. I'll tell you the basics, and if you've got any more questions, you can ask Idsman.

    Just for the basics, you need to be medically and criminally qualified (have a clean record). Then, because of your choice of carerr, you WILL need the following: to be willing to sign up for the maximum term (6 years), to be willing to sign up for a combat MOS (probably 11-B if you want the best chance), and be possessing of a high ASVAB score (VERY important).

    You chose a difficult path, and slots are highly limited.

    I'd advise you to think LONG and think HARD about why you are making this choice. Infantry training may be tough, but Ranger training is designed where only those who want it worse than anything in the world will be able to hack it. When your physical body wants to quit (and it WILL), you need to have that ability to suck it up and soldier on. You wont get there unless you want it so badly you can taste it.

    If after all that soul-searching you still want it, then go through all of the paperwork and prepare for battle with the career counselor at MEPS. If you can convince him, then you'll be done with at least the first part of your trials and tribulations.

    Do your best. That's all you can do.
  • rameleni1rameleni1 Member Posts: 998 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I have read a few posts on wanting to join the service. I have also read comments like "why enlist now, we are going to war soon". What is that about? You join the service to protect America, now is the best time. I wish I could fight for our country now. I'm too old, and fat. I checked on it, they won't take me. Do it while you can, just be smart about it.

    Rameleni1
  • BullzeyeBullzeye Member Posts: 3,560
    edited November -1
    Be smart about it is EXACTLY right, ramelini.

    If you want it bad enough, and you've got the ASVAB scores, you can do damn near anything. But you should really do your homework and think it through very well before you sign anything.

    I'm not positive about this, hopefully Idsman can clarify, but I'm fairly sure if you sign a demanding contract and then decide at some point that you dont want to do it anymore or simply cant keep up, you are assigned "per the wishes and needs of the Department of the Army".

    That's not to say they'll automatically stick you in Alaska as a cook, but technically they could if they wanted to if you dont fufill your end of the contract.
  • Gene B.Gene B. Member Posts: 892 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I know what Semper Fi means! howww about.....HOOAHH! better?? Or what about "Rangers Lead the Way!"

    Edited by - gene B. on 08/22/2002 23:50:39
  • agloreaglore Member Posts: 6,012
    edited November -1
    Bullz, it's Semper Fi, not "Semper Fi Do or Die". If it absolutely positively must be done in 24 hours or less, call the Marines.

    AlleninAlaska

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  • BullzeyeBullzeye Member Posts: 3,560
    edited November -1
    quote:
    Bullz, it's Semper Fi, not "Semper Fi Do or Die". If it absolutely positively must be done in 24 hours or less, call the Marines.


    I know it, Allen. Semper Fidelis said in full just doesnt have the same ring to it, does it?
  • ArmyMedicArmyMedic Member Posts: 44 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Your goal is not very hard to reach on paper. The most important thing right now is getting into physical shape and scoring high on the ASVAB. The higher you score the more of an enlistment bonus you'll be offered. As far as jobs, if you ask for straight leg infantry (MOS 11B) you'll get it no problem. This field is always open. I recommend forward observer/scout. I can't remeber the MOS Code right now. This is where you find a lot of your Long Ranch Patrol and a lot of snipers in the Army. Excluding Special Forces and Delta Force. Most Scouts are Ranger qualified and you are open to a lot of cool jobs and stuff you won't be able to tell anyone about. But like I said earlier, get in shape, score high on the ASVAB, and EVERYTHING YOU WON'T IS IN YOUR CONTARCT BEFORE YOU SIGN. Don't fall for the we'll put that in later b/s. Don't till your happy. If you have any questions or need more info feel free to email: remf69@yahoo.com. I'm not a recruiter or anything. I just don't like seeing people get screwed over and than end up hating there tour.

    My little brother just graduate Ranger school this past March.

    GOOD LUCK!!!!!!!!

    "How do I get out of this chicken **** outfit?"
  • idsman75idsman75 Member Posts: 13,398 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Greetings. I am one of the friendly Army recruiters that frequents this site. Recruiters get excited when people talk about wanting to be Rangers. The difference between the Army and the other services is that you can get Airborne School and assignment to a Ranger Batallion guaranteed to you in a contract. The best you can get from our sister services is a guarantee that you will be an infantryman. You get to a Ranger Bat and they prepare you for Ranger School. You will attend RIP (Ranger Indoctrination Program/"Mini-Ranger" School) prior to arrival at your Ranger Batallion. Basic training and Infantry school will whip you into shape but you can make it much easier on yourself by going to the gym and building your strength. Also, go running several times a week and work your way up to at least six miles. All of this will make life so much easier on you.

    There are several hurdles in your way that you will need to overcome before you can get what you want. You need to take the ASVAB (Armed Services Vocational Aptitude Battery) and you will need to score fairly well. A good command of the English language (word knowledge/paragraph comprehension) and basic mathematic and algebra skills are a must.

    Secondly, you need to have a very clean record. Being a part of a Ranger Batallion is a great source of pride. There is a strict code to live by if you want to stay in your Ranger Bat. Too many speeding tickets or even one non-traffic-related infraction of the law can have you out on your rear and back in a non-Ranger infantry unit.

    Thirdly, you have to be medically qualified. If you have had ANY contact with a doctor/physician/psychiatrist/psychologist/etc they will want the pertinant medical records in order to screen you for eleigibility.

    As a Ranger you work hard but you also play hard. A Ranger compound is a very nice place to live. Those guys get the dollars they ask for--for training and for recreation. When I was stationed at one of the Army posts where there was a Ranger Bat they had a pool table, a bar and several nice amenities right there in the barracks. You'll be on jump status and will jump at least monthly from a perfectly good aircraft. You'll also get the extra $150 jump pay for being on jump status. You will train and you will train hard every day. Remember "Blackhawk Down"? Rangers are HIGHLY trained in urban combat which is probably one of the most dangerous forms of combat there is. Being a Ranger is a great way to go if you want to go Special Forces one day.

    The Army is the only service that operates solely on a "closed contract" basis. That means that you get exactly what is in your contract and can't be reassigned to a different MOS on the basis of "Needs of the Army". Our office has copies of the other services' contracts. In the Army you will not go through basic training only to find out that the Army is going to send you to training different from what you enlisted for. If a tornado wipes out the entire installation where you are going for your training and you can no longer go for the training that you enlisted for, you will be released from your contract or be offered something else.
  • ndbillyndbilly Member Posts: 1,573 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    IDSMAN - I'm way past the age of military service so this is just personal curiosity. How long does it take to negotiate one of the contracts referenced in this thread? Seems like you can go on for quite a while before making a committment. Is that true?
  • idsman75idsman75 Member Posts: 13,398 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    The "negotiation" process usually only takes about 30 minutes to a couple of hours. The recruiter can't guarantee you anything beyond the Montgomery GI Bill. The recruiter doesn't give you your MOS. You do all of the contracting up at MEPS. The guidance counselors at MEPS enter your physical results, your background check results and your test scores into a computer. Then they pull up all of the jobs that you are qualified to do for which there are openings. Each job carries different incentives based on what shortages there are in the Army. You pick what you want and the guidance counselor pulls up the job. If the guidance counselor has some "negotiating capital" at his dispense he may be able to make a phone call to "The Rock" and get exceptions to policy. It depends on the current needs of the Army and how many favors that guidance counselor has gotten from The Rock lately. If that guidance counselor is constantly on the phone with The Rock then the whole purpose for the system that is in place to fill slots that the Army needs filled becomes useless so only so much leeway can be given. Only about 5% of the people I've worked with have left MEPS without finding something that they could be happy with. They came back another day and found something they liked. It depends on what is open that day. Trust me, the recruiter won't be happy if you don't enlist after spending all of those man hours on you before you can go to MEPS but you have to be happy with your committment.
  • airborneairborne Member Posts: 1,728 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    "I want to be an Airborne Ranger, live a life of fear and danger."



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  • idsman75idsman75 Member Posts: 13,398 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    "I wanna be an Airborne Medic. Shoot that funky anesthetic."
  • OLD SF-EROLD SF-ER Member Posts: 57 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    The most important thing to remember is "Your mind will give out long before your body will".

    Ranger training is tough, but you can be tougher. You can expect to be sleep deprived, water deprived (unless you're in it) and generally harrassed beyond belief. I suggest that you go into immediate training just like a fighter would for a prize fight, with one big difference: Gain as much muscle weight as your body can carry. You will burn all the fat off your body, and some muscle as well while in training.
    You will be in training with all ranks, but never know what their rank is; they are all called "Ranger". You will be expected to function as a team player. You will be called on to demonstrate extraordinary navigational skills without a GPS, study up on your map reading.

    After Airborne and Ranger training, you may want to consider SFAS (Special Forces Assessment Selection) and if you make it, the Special Forces Qualification Course.

    Special Forces is a very demanding lifestyle, but the rewards are tremendous. You'll make lifelong friends that become truly like family.

    Good luck & Hooah!

    "If you can do it, it ain't braggin'".
    JR Ewing - "Dallas"
  • SUBMARINERSUBMARINER Member Posts: 1,362 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    you beter eat your wheaties,hadf a buddy that was a green beanie and he said that ranger school was the most physically challenging part of his army career.i wanna go too

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  • Jungle JimJungle Jim Member Posts: 264
    edited November -1
    Gene B.,

    Be careful who you choose to be your experts.

    Anyone that's not Ranger qualified has no real idea of what it takes,
    they're outsiders, looking in and giving their opinions or relating something they read about it.

    That's OK, too they're entitled - but Old Sf'er hit the nail on the head on a little of what it takes to be a Ranger.

    I'd add to that by saying it is some of the hardest training the Army has to offer, and many candidates don't make it. You will be subjected to more physical and mental torture than you ever knew existed, and be expected to rise above it. You will be taught the basics of Special Operations, and advanced battle techniques. You will do things on a daily basis that an 11 Bravo leg would think was impossible.

    A lot of soldiers "talk a good fight". Rangers and Special Forces do it!

    Jim

    "De Oppresso Liber"
  • idsman75idsman75 Member Posts: 13,398 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:

    Be careful who you choose to be your experts.

    Anyone that's not Ranger qualified has no real idea of what it takes,
    they're outsiders, looking in and giving their opinions or relating something they read about it.



    Jungle Jim--Hope that wasn't ALL directed towards me. Just for the record--I'm no expert. Just trying to play my position on the team. I never aspired to be the quarterback.
  • Gene B.Gene B. Member Posts: 892 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    What was the SAS like? Do you have any stories about Ranger school, or the SAS?
  • Matt45Matt45 Member Posts: 3,185
    edited November -1
    "Rangers in the night..... exchanging azimuths, No this one's not right..."

    OK Gene, I'll bite-

    The best (and a commonly heard military urban legend) is the one where while out on a patrol, for no reason, a guy gets up and starts bashing a tree with the butt of his M-16.

    When asked why, "RangerJoe" usually replies, "Damn pop machine ate my frickin' money.."

    Sleep Depro WILL do this to you...I once spent the better part of guard rotation trying to draw a bead on Bugs Bunny through a night vision scope. Lucky thing I never could hold tight on him for more than a half a second or so.

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  • Jungle JimJungle Jim Member Posts: 264
    edited November -1
    Idsman,

    Wasn't directed at you or anyone else. There are a lot of "experts" out there and people that claim qualification that aren't.

    You're just trying to do your job, and from what I can tell do a good job at it.

    My point was to this young man that Ranger is a tough slot, and he needs to be prepared if he's going to try it.

    The toughest troops I ever trained with were the Australian Special Forces with their forward repelling techniques!

    Jim

    "De Oppresso Liber"

    Edited by - Jungle Jim on 08/26/2002 08:54:16
  • Gene B.Gene B. Member Posts: 892 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Really? Is all that stuff you went through classified?
  • Gene B.Gene B. Member Posts: 892 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Is it G-5 classified or just G-2?
  • Gene B.Gene B. Member Posts: 892 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Are you really serious???? you cant tell me anything?
  • Matt45Matt45 Member Posts: 3,185
    edited November -1
    Yeah, it must be Division civil affairs classified (G-5????) or Division Intelligence classified (G-2).

    Gene- Dano doesn't want to talk about it, but he's just taking the long route about it.

    Like the man said....."Let it be, Oooh, let it be.......

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  • Gene B.Gene B. Member Posts: 892 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    haha ya G-5 classified....its from Rush Hour.
  • Gene B.Gene B. Member Posts: 892 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    um hm um hmm.....so what happened in the 1st story?
  • Gene B.Gene B. Member Posts: 892 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    HAHAHAHAHA!!! Didnt you have "2" objectives in that mission?

    Edited by - gene B. on 08/26/2002 20:14:20
  • Gene B.Gene B. Member Posts: 892 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Wow two girls....you dog!
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