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Blood Pinnings COULD DRAW BLOOD!
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Thank HEVVINS some officers are responsible, mature adults! Imagine this! A blood pinning THAT MIGHT ACTUALLY DRAW BLOOD!!!!!! Oh, I feel the pain of the poor servicemen (who, by the way, WEREN'T the ones to file the complaint)! After this, I'm sure our servicemen were having a big group hug, having never SEEN blood before!!!!
Christ.
I'm sure this will be good news to all the fanatical, "willing to die for Allah" terrorists around the globe. "American soldiers won't even have a PIN driven into their chests as a sign of honor! WE would take a bullet! Now we know they truly ARE weak!"
I'll wager boku buck both "reporting officers" were chicks... Thank God they lowered the standards so girls could get into the military. It sure has made the military stronger, leaner, and better able to do it's job...
http://www.uniontrib.com/news/uniontrib/fri/metro/news_7m3blood.html
Local Navy unit leader relieved in hazing case
'Blood pinning' incident prompts investigation
By James W. Crawley
STAFF WRITER
May 3, 2002
The Navy is investigating a reported "blood pinning" hazing incident at a downtown restaurant and has relieved a local unit's commander, the service announced yesterday.
Cmdr. Robert Seligman, commanding officer of Explosives Ordnance Disposal Mobile Unit 3, was reassigned after two officers told authorities hazing had occurred April 18, Navy officials said.
"There's no room for hazing in the Navy," said a spokesman, Cmdr. Rob Newell.
Investigators are trying to determine whether Seligman - as part of a ceremony marking the completion of an officer's training - placed a metallic badge on a lieutenant's uniform without the protective caps, then used his fist to pound the insignia's pins into the officer's chest.
The junior officer suffered puncture wounds but no serious injuries, Newell said.
Two other officers at the dinner reported the incident to their units, initiating the investigation.
No charges have been filed, but Seligman potentially faces a general court-martial or administrative punishment.
The investigation is being overseen by Capt. Michael Tillotson of Explosives Ordnance Disposal Group 1. Newell said the Naval Criminal Investigative Service, the service's civilian criminal detective unit, is not involved.
Seligman could not be reached for comment yesterday.
Mobile Unit 3 disarms bombs, mines and explosives. It has about 80 officers and enlisted men and women who are routinely deployed with aircraft carriers and amphibious groups. The unit also keeps, trains and uses dolphins to locate mines and enemy swimmers.
The reported hazing happened during a "hail and farewell" dinner April 18 marking recent transfers to and from the unit, stationed at the Naval Amphibious Base in Coronado. Attending the dinner were 17 officers and 13 civilian guests.
"Blood pinning" was part of many elite units' initiations for decades. The Pentagon banned the practice as it clamped down on hazing in the late 1990s.
The most notorious blood-pinning incident involved Marine Corps paratroopers.
Videotapes that came to light in 1997 showed two initiations in 1991 and 1993 during which Marines could be seen grimacing in pain after fellow Marines used fists to pound newly awarded paratrooper pins into their chests. Blood could be seen.
In one scene, a helmeted Marine was picked up by others and used as a human battering ram to slam a paratrooper's gold-winged insignia into another Marine's chest.
After an investigation, several Marines were discharged from the military and others were reprimanded.
Traditionally, such hazing was more common in high-risk units, said David Segal, a military sociologist and University of Maryland professor.
"It demonstrates that they are tough enough to do the job," Segal said.
Hazing was prohibited by order of the Navy secretary in August 1997. The order bans striking, branding, tattooing, pinning, "tacking on" and "blood wings."
"The Navy has a zero-tolerance policy on any form of hazing or harassment," Newell said. "We're an organization committed to respecting the dignity of our service members."
Although the military justice code doesn't mention hazing, the Navy policy states that hazing constitutes a "failure to obey a lawful general order." Hazing also could violate sections on assault and battery.
When Tillotson completes the investigation, he can pass the case to an Article 32 hearing, which is a cross between a grand jury and a criminal preliminary hearing. After the hearing, an investigating officer could recommend a court-martial, administrative punishment or dropping the charges.
James W. Crawley:
(619) 542-4559; jim.crawley@uniontrib.com
Copyright 2002 Union-Tribune Publishing Co.
I may disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.--Voltaire~Secret Select Society Of Suave Stylish Smoking Jackets~
Christ.
I'm sure this will be good news to all the fanatical, "willing to die for Allah" terrorists around the globe. "American soldiers won't even have a PIN driven into their chests as a sign of honor! WE would take a bullet! Now we know they truly ARE weak!"
I'll wager boku buck both "reporting officers" were chicks... Thank God they lowered the standards so girls could get into the military. It sure has made the military stronger, leaner, and better able to do it's job...
http://www.uniontrib.com/news/uniontrib/fri/metro/news_7m3blood.html
Local Navy unit leader relieved in hazing case
'Blood pinning' incident prompts investigation
By James W. Crawley
STAFF WRITER
May 3, 2002
The Navy is investigating a reported "blood pinning" hazing incident at a downtown restaurant and has relieved a local unit's commander, the service announced yesterday.
Cmdr. Robert Seligman, commanding officer of Explosives Ordnance Disposal Mobile Unit 3, was reassigned after two officers told authorities hazing had occurred April 18, Navy officials said.
"There's no room for hazing in the Navy," said a spokesman, Cmdr. Rob Newell.
Investigators are trying to determine whether Seligman - as part of a ceremony marking the completion of an officer's training - placed a metallic badge on a lieutenant's uniform without the protective caps, then used his fist to pound the insignia's pins into the officer's chest.
The junior officer suffered puncture wounds but no serious injuries, Newell said.
Two other officers at the dinner reported the incident to their units, initiating the investigation.
No charges have been filed, but Seligman potentially faces a general court-martial or administrative punishment.
The investigation is being overseen by Capt. Michael Tillotson of Explosives Ordnance Disposal Group 1. Newell said the Naval Criminal Investigative Service, the service's civilian criminal detective unit, is not involved.
Seligman could not be reached for comment yesterday.
Mobile Unit 3 disarms bombs, mines and explosives. It has about 80 officers and enlisted men and women who are routinely deployed with aircraft carriers and amphibious groups. The unit also keeps, trains and uses dolphins to locate mines and enemy swimmers.
The reported hazing happened during a "hail and farewell" dinner April 18 marking recent transfers to and from the unit, stationed at the Naval Amphibious Base in Coronado. Attending the dinner were 17 officers and 13 civilian guests.
"Blood pinning" was part of many elite units' initiations for decades. The Pentagon banned the practice as it clamped down on hazing in the late 1990s.
The most notorious blood-pinning incident involved Marine Corps paratroopers.
Videotapes that came to light in 1997 showed two initiations in 1991 and 1993 during which Marines could be seen grimacing in pain after fellow Marines used fists to pound newly awarded paratrooper pins into their chests. Blood could be seen.
In one scene, a helmeted Marine was picked up by others and used as a human battering ram to slam a paratrooper's gold-winged insignia into another Marine's chest.
After an investigation, several Marines were discharged from the military and others were reprimanded.
Traditionally, such hazing was more common in high-risk units, said David Segal, a military sociologist and University of Maryland professor.
"It demonstrates that they are tough enough to do the job," Segal said.
Hazing was prohibited by order of the Navy secretary in August 1997. The order bans striking, branding, tattooing, pinning, "tacking on" and "blood wings."
"The Navy has a zero-tolerance policy on any form of hazing or harassment," Newell said. "We're an organization committed to respecting the dignity of our service members."
Although the military justice code doesn't mention hazing, the Navy policy states that hazing constitutes a "failure to obey a lawful general order." Hazing also could violate sections on assault and battery.
When Tillotson completes the investigation, he can pass the case to an Article 32 hearing, which is a cross between a grand jury and a criminal preliminary hearing. After the hearing, an investigating officer could recommend a court-martial, administrative punishment or dropping the charges.
James W. Crawley:
(619) 542-4559; jim.crawley@uniontrib.com
Copyright 2002 Union-Tribune Publishing Co.
I may disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.--Voltaire~Secret Select Society Of Suave Stylish Smoking Jackets~
Comments
I thought the Training did that.
I saw the other Videos in Question and saw nothing that bestowed Honor on another.
Remember...Terrorist are attacking Civilians; Not the Government. Protect Yourself!
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PC=BS
Any damage that one inflicts upon one's self will be met with an Article 15 if it affects duty performance. Other such damage includes excessive sunburn and infected tattoos. However, tattoos and sun tanning are not illegal in the Army. You just have to make sure you are willing to pay the price if you screw up.
SSG idsman75, U.S. ARMY
i never make misteakes.
The airborne wings are a different story, talk to anyone who was in the 82nd, that is before the nice police got there. I've got a set burned into my chest. Three things I learned that night. 1-Yaegermiester REALLY sucks. 2-When getting branded in the chest....don't flex!!!!(wouda been a perfect set of jump wings, damnit!) 3-The night it's done it really won't hurt (the smell of burnt skin isn't all that tasty, however), but for the next three weeks it'll hurt like a M.F.!
Some people just shouldn't be allowed to breed
"Not as deep as a well, or as wide as a church door, but it is enough."
i never make misteakes.
"i think this ritual is childish and stupid."
Hacker:
Soooo, what's your point?
I may disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.--Voltaire~Secret Select Society Of Suave Stylish Smoking Jackets~
Blood wings, brandings, incentive physical training, etc. are painful but not usually permanently damaging. Unfortunatly someone always eventually takes it too far, and group beatings can and do cause permanent, service ending disabilities. Like many other things, it's the bad few messing it up for everyone else.
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To the stars through difficulties
i never make misteakes.
I may disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.--Voltaire~Secret Select Society Of Suave Stylish Smoking Jackets~
I came into the Army as an E-3. The only non-NCO promotion that I have received was my promotion to E-4 in 1997. After shift my platoon made me walk the gauntlet prior to doing PT. Being struck on each shoulder by the balled up fists of every member of your platoon creates some real nice complications when you have to do pushups immediately afterwards. Those guys were great--some of the greatest people I ever worked with.
SSG idsman75, U.S. ARMY
i never make misteakes.