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Obama thinks he is telling us something
scottm21166
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He is talking about raising the CAFE to over 35 MPG. fine. He is on TV trying to tell people how much money we will save by driving these cars. anyone with a brain knows this, but it doesn't work out in the real world because we need SUV's, Mini Vans and pickup trucks too.
He is using this as a pretense to tax cars that don't do as well (carbon tax)
I have used the arguement myself when discussing Prius, but the end of the arguement is that it takes 6 years to payback the hybrid premium...it takes longer than that to pay back the premium for a diesel truck VS gas, longer than that if you consider the interest and tax on the additional outlay up-front.
there are ways to fuel vehicles we could produce easily once the infrastructure was in place specifically Hydrogen. He should spend some of the stimulus money to build a big network of hydrogen fueling stations and loans to car companies willing to build the fuel cell cars...I would buy one of those, till then,....
I am happy with what I have
He is using this as a pretense to tax cars that don't do as well (carbon tax)
I have used the arguement myself when discussing Prius, but the end of the arguement is that it takes 6 years to payback the hybrid premium...it takes longer than that to pay back the premium for a diesel truck VS gas, longer than that if you consider the interest and tax on the additional outlay up-front.
there are ways to fuel vehicles we could produce easily once the infrastructure was in place specifically Hydrogen. He should spend some of the stimulus money to build a big network of hydrogen fueling stations and loans to car companies willing to build the fuel cell cars...I would buy one of those, till then,....
I am happy with what I have
Comments
1. There is NO ROI on ANY hybrid vehicle
2. Hydrogen is DOA technology
To disagreements:
1. There is NO ROI on ANY hybrid vehicle
2. Hydrogen is DOA technology
please explain?
BUT,......messiah says it will be worth it, as it will help the environment.
Auto industry analyst suggests more in line with $7,000.00 per vehicle.
Thanks BO,.....you t**d.[xx(]
Only going to cost about $1,300.00 more per vehicle.
BUT,......messiah says it will be worth it, as it will help the environment.
Auto industry analyst suggests more in line with $7,000.00 per vehicle.
Thanks BO,.....you t**d.[xx(]
It's dumb, The Chinese and Indians are building and buying cars the way Americans were in the 50's they do not have any enviromental limitations and they use diesel or two stroke engines, no catylitic converters no pollution controls. think of 1 billion new cars on the road in those two countries? that is the figure gm should be working for a piece of and Al Gore should be fighting against.
Got any idea what either of those look like?
The value of Real Trucks will go up. Value of nice touring full size used cars will go up. The Obamunist is also making emission standards apply Nationwide, bring the cost onto rural folks that are now exempt. In addition, many current vehicles will become banned because they will not pass.
What chance would there be for a full size truck to get that MPG?
They will become rationed.
A much better proposal would be to adjust the car tabs for MPG and let the market take it from there.
Guess everybody better learn to fix everything they have themselves, as contractors and service folks will be put out of business.
This worm blows more hot air than the Hindenburg.[}:)]
In addition, many current vehicles will become banned because they will not pass.
Yup, Like Marc said, he is going to put a lot of companies out of business. [:(!]
Urban lemmings are welcome to buy whatever they want. Heck, a free market is all about buying whatever you want to. Interesting side note: on the news this morning someone determined that little eco-cars don't do well in crash tests. Duh!
ther would be a tax on people or companies who didn't ad it to their vehicles.
Our air is simply not that bad, it is better than when I was a kid especially around here where pulp and plywood mills are gone the aluminum plants have closed, and there is less traffic than there was 10 years ago.
the best way to continue this trend is to provide ways for people to work from home. make a gas tax expensive enough to encourage bus ridership with a rebate for compliance...
if you ride the bus all work week, you don't pay the gas tax...so you can enjoy the weekends or vacations
I thought there was a provision to retro-fit the parts onto existing vehicles. It was a package that cost 1300 (est)
ther would be a tax on people or companies who didn't ad it to their vehicles.
Our air is simply not that bad, it is better than when I was a kid especially around here where pulp and plywood mills are gone the aluminum plants have closed, and there is less traffic than there was 10 years ago.
the best way to continue this trend is to provide ways for people to work from home. make a gas tax expensive enough to encourage bus ridership with a rebate for compliance...if you ride the bus all work week, you don't pay the gas tax...so you can enjoy the weekends or vacations
Would you like me to ride a bus to come fix your AC/Heat system?
I guess you don't realize there is a need for certain service industries that will not go away anytime soon.
Do you mind paying $150.00/hour or more, instead of the current rates to make our air "cleaner?"
Just curious.
The entire world is not moved by folks that hack at computers all day.
It will be interesting to see a hybrid pull a loaded 40 ft. stock trailer, or cut through a Wyoming blizzard after the plows have gone home. Sheesh.
Urban lemmings are welcome to buy whatever they want. Heck, a free market is all about buying whatever you want to. Interesting side note: on the news this morning someone determined that little eco-cars don't do well in crash tests. Duh!
hell, forget about adverse conditions or towing...
how does one survive the 13hr marathon-drives that have become all too common for me driving an econo-crap-box instead of a comfy car like my bonneville???
I don't care if she "only" gets 29mpg highway, I will not give that machine up for anything!
oh I forgot...in Obama's world I should not drive home from graduate school...I should fly and subject myself to getting my nuts touched by some TSA friend even though I look nothing like a Saudi terrorist...
In other words you work for someone and have your health insurance paid for,......you now will get to claim what was paid for said insurance as "income" on your tax return.
Just passing on what I heard. I have no links, and I presume it is just thoughts at this point.
Off topic, but I heard the plan for the health insurance issue is to tax folks that make over a certain amount for their insurance bennies.
In other words you work for someone and have your health insurance paid for,......you now will get to claim what was paid for said insurance as "income" on your tax return.
Just passing on what I heard. I have no links, and I presume it is just thoughts at this point.
Here is a link
www.nytimes.com/2009/03/15/us/politics/15health.html -
quote:Originally posted by Marc1301
Off topic, but I heard the plan for the health insurance issue is to tax folks that make over a certain amount for their insurance bennies.
In other words you work for someone and have your health insurance paid for,......you now will get to claim what was paid for said insurance as "income" on your tax return.
Just passing on what I heard. I have no links, and I presume it is just thoughts at this point.
Here is a link
www.nytimes.com/2009/03/15/us/politics/15health.html -
Thanks for that link Savage,......you getting all the rain we are just north of you?
Sorry, didn't intend to hijack your thread OP.
Obama thinks he is telling us something
HE IS!
He wants America driving this-
Not this-
Not to worry gents. The presidential limo and Airforce One will be exempt from any rules. Wonder how many Mini's it'll take to get the fire dept to your house.
That's what kicks my butt, The motorcaid he drives around with engines running all the time. One more step towards his master plan.
Model of Porsche Type 12, Museum of Industrial Culture, NurembergAdolf Hitler had a keen interest in cars even though he did not like to drive. In 1933, shortly after taking over as leader of Germany, he teamed up with Ferdinand Porsche to make changes to his original 1931 design to make it more suited for the working man, thus founding Volkswagen. Hans Ledwinka discussed his ideas with Ferdinand Porsche, who used many Tatra design features in the 1938 "KdF-Wagen", later known as the VW K?fer-or Volkswagen Beetle. On 22 June 1934, Dr. Ferdinand Porsche agreed to create the "People's Car" for Hitler.
Middle class pressure is all I can see which isn't a big surprise.
Ding, Ding, Ding we have a winner![:D] No one wins except the Government.
quote:Originally posted by scottm21166
I thought there was a provision to retro-fit the parts onto existing vehicles. It was a package that cost 1300 (est)
ther would be a tax on people or companies who didn't ad it to their vehicles.
Our air is simply not that bad, it is better than when I was a kid especially around here where pulp and plywood mills are gone the aluminum plants have closed, and there is less traffic than there was 10 years ago.
the best way to continue this trend is to provide ways for people to work from home. make a gas tax expensive enough to encourage bus ridership with a rebate for compliance...if you ride the bus all work week, you don't pay the gas tax...so you can enjoy the weekends or vacations
Would you like me to ride a bus to come fix your AC/Heat system?
I guess you don't realize there is a need for certain service industries that will not go away anytime soon.
Do you mind paying $150.00/hour or more, instead of the current rates to make our air "cleaner?"
Just curious.
The entire world is not moved by folks that hack at computers all day.
Im not really talking about that. more like for commuting to the office or factory. eliminating rush hours. some people abxolutly need to drive everyday some don't it is just convienient.
quote:Originally posted by Marc1301
quote:Originally posted by scottm21166
I thought there was a provision to retro-fit the parts onto existing vehicles. It was a package that cost 1300 (est)
ther would be a tax on people or companies who didn't ad it to their vehicles.
Our air is simply not that bad, it is better than when I was a kid especially around here where pulp and plywood mills are gone the aluminum plants have closed, and there is less traffic than there was 10 years ago.
the best way to continue this trend is to provide ways for people to work from home. make a gas tax expensive enough to encourage bus ridership with a rebate for compliance...if you ride the bus all work week, you don't pay the gas tax...so you can enjoy the weekends or vacations
Would you like me to ride a bus to come fix your AC/Heat system?
I guess you don't realize there is a need for certain service industries that will not go away anytime soon.
Do you mind paying $150.00/hour or more, instead of the current rates to make our air "cleaner?"
Just curious.
The entire world is not moved by folks that hack at computers all day.
Im not really talking about that. more like for commuting to the office or factory. eliminating rush hours. some people abxolutly need to drive everyday some don't it is just convienient.
and risk getting shot by some gang-fagger because the powers-that-be-retarded want you unarmed and defenseless on pubic public transport...
Can you guess who is currently building a $15,000,000 vacation home on Martha's Vineyard??
I'm sure the new "car palace" will have a teensy weensy carbon footprint, just like the cars we'll be mandated to drive.[xx(]
After 4 years of this administration, we'll be at a level of servitude not seen since before the revolutionary war.
It's time for the next one.
We don't like you kind of "change" around here. We don;t appreciate a hubris federal government telling us how we should live our lives. We don't approve of your occupation of Wall Street banks or Detroit.
They weren't kidding when they said you were the most liberal U.S. Senate. Your views are more than just liberal...there socialist.
I wish he'd keep his mouth shut!
I the citys that might work fine but the truth is most of America is still pretty rural. Unless you are a city of 40-50 thousand it is not economical to run buses (which are already subsidized in most places). The gas tax is gonna be cheaper than the bus fare.