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60-year-old, 110 lb woman dropped on concrete, bloodied, arrested by cops

.250Savage.250Savage Member Posts: 812 ✭✭✭✭
edited February 2002 in General Discussion
Is it just me, or is this completely f---ing over the top?
Socialite's arrest draws charges of police overreactionBy J. Harry Jones STAFF WRITER February 25, 2002 A birthday party at a La Jolla (Note: La Jolla is the local RICH, WHITE section. This will be important later on - .250 Sav) home Saturday night ended with the 60-year-old hostess being arrested and bloodied by police. San Diego Police Lt. Boyd Long said an internal affairs investigation has been launched, based on the statements of numerous witnesses who say excessive force was used against socialite Mary Beth Jernigan. The story, as related by Jernigan's son Nathan and other witnesses, is this: The semiformal party on Cave Street near Prospect Avenue in downtown La Jolla was held at Mary Beth Jernigan's home to celebrate her son's 30th birthday. It began at 6 p.m. and was close to breaking up when two police officers came to the door at 10:30. Nathan Jernigan said the officers, whose names haven't been released, told his mother they had received a noise complaint and warned her that if they had to return a citation would be issued. They handed her a ticket book, telling her she needed to sign the warning. She refused, her son said, saying she first wanted the names and badge numbers of the officers. One of the officers complied, Nathan Jernigan said, but the other said the information would be included in Jernigan's copy of the warning. Mary Beth Jernigan still wouldn't sign the warning, her son said, and one of the officers tried to take the ticket book away from her. "At that point there was a tug of war over the ticket book," Nathan Jernigan said. "He said 'Fine, we'll just arrest you right now.' " Nathan Jernigan said at least seven witnesses saw the officer twist Mary Beth Jernigan's arms behind her back, drag her at least 12 feet and throw her onto the cement-tile driveway face first. "It was the worst thing I've ever seen in my 35 years in San Diego," guest and witness Jon Roseman said. "This one police officer acted completely out of line." Nathan Jernigan said his mother, a widow, weighs only 110 pounds. "There was blood on her chin and her shoulder was cut up," he said. Witnesses said while the officer held the woman down with his knee in her back, nearly a dozen party guests approached, many screaming at him to get off Jernigan. (No F---ing *! At this point, I would be screaming, too!!! - .250 Sav)"Everybody was getting hysterical," Nathan Jernigan said. At that point, he said, one of the guests jumped on top of the officer who was holding Jernigan down. (Who the F--- wouldn't? - .250 Sav) The second officer began spraying the crowd with pepper spray and radioed for help. Within minutes eight to 15 patrol cars arrived. (8 to 15? "Calling all JBTs" - .250 Sav) Nathan Jernigan said one of the officers newly on the scene came out of his car carrying a shotgun. Mary Beth Jernigan was taken to a hospital and treated for her injuries. She was then booked into jail on charges of obstructing a police officer and being drunk in public. Her $5,000 bail was posted around noon yesterday. The man who jumped on the officer was arrested on an assault charge. He too had been released on bail by yesterday afternoon. Nathan Jernigan said his mother had had only a few drinks that night. He did concede that most of the people at the party had been drinking, some heavily. Lt. Long said a decision had been made quickly to bring internal affairs investigators into the mix because of "numerous claims of excessive force." Long said officers interviewed witnesses until nearly 4 a.m. The investigation is ongoing.J. Harry Jones: (619) 542-4590; jharry.jones@uniontrib.com Copyright 2002 Union-Tribune Publishing Co.
Then, the next day...
Officers back on duty as arrest of La Jolla woman is investigatedBy Mark Arner STAFF WRITER February 26, 2002 Two police officers who arrested a 60-year-old La Jolla woman during a party at her home Saturday night returned to patrol duties yesterday while being investigated for allegedly using excessive force. A police report on the arrest does not mention whether the officers declined to give their names and badge numbers (why am I not surprised? - .250 Sav), which some witnesses said prompted a scuffle between the woman and one of the officers, Todd Wilkinson, 41. Mary Beth Jernigan, who received a cut on her chin during the incident, said the officers asked her to sign a warning citation, but she first wanted their names. Wilkinson reportedly declined to give the woman their names and badge numbers. A report of the arrest filed yesterday by Officer Michael Bland, 33, said he and Wilkinson walked to the door of Jernigan's home on Cave Street. Jernigan answered and came outside, closing the door, he said. "I smelled a strong odor of alcoholic beverage coming from her breath," Bland wrote. "I explained there was a complaint about the noise, and we were going to give her a first response notice (warning). I tried to explain the first response notice, but she became uncooperative and refused to listen . . . Officer Wilkinson tried to get (her) information, but she refused . . "I observed (Jernigan) grab the first response book from Officer Wilkinson in an aggressive manner," Bland wrote. "When he tried to get the book back, she put her hand up to keep him from getting it. "Officer Wilkinson escorted her to the front parking lot by her arm," Bland's report said. "Officer Wilkinson attempted to put handcuffs on (Jernigan), but she was actively resisting. Officer Wilkinson took (Jernigan) to the ground to gain control and handcuff her." Jernigan was taken to a hospital in Hillcrest and treated for a minor cut on her chin. She was then booked into jail on suspicion of obstructing a police officer and public drunkenness. Her $5,000 bail was posted by noon Sunday. An internal affairs investigation was launched Sunday, police said, based on the statements of witnesses who said excessive force was used during Jernigan's arrest. Lt. Boyd Long said yesterday that San Diego police officers are required by department policy to furnish their names and badge numbers to any person requesting such information while they are on duty, or while representing themselves as police officers. The only exception, Long added, is if anonymity is required to perform their duties, such as working undercover. Wilkinson is a 19-year-veteran and Bland was hired 16 months ago, said Bill Robinson, a spokesman for the San Diego Police Department. He said it is normal for an officer who is being investigated in such a case to remain on duty. Jernigan said during a telephone interview that she had hosted a birthday party for her son, Nathan Jernigan, 30, at her home. It began at 6 p.m. and was breaking up about 10:30 p.m., when police walked up to her door and told her they had received a noise complaint. She said she was surprised that the officers refused to give their identities, and became frightened when the officer started to arrest her, so she resisted. "I didn't go with him willingly," Jernigan said. "I was no threat to them. They were asking me information, and I wanted to write their names on the warning thing." Jernigan also said that she was not drunk when police came to her home and that she was not a "socialite," as she was described in a San Diego Union-Tribune story yesterday. "I am a law-abiding citizen, and I have a totally clean record," she said. Mark Arner: (619) 542-4556; mark.arner@uniontrib.com Copyright 2002 Union-Tribune Publishing Co.
And the letters printed in the paper that very day (boy, those "hate the rich white" folks didn't waste a second, did they?)...
February 26, 2002 Police overreaction? But also bad news judgment The La Jolla socialite who was arrested and bloodied by the police on Saturday night, Mary Beth Jernigan, 60, should have been more considerate of her neighbors so the officers would not have had to waste their precious time responding to the complaint of an excessively noisy party. Why didn't she comply with the officers' request to sign a warning? If she had done so and quieted the party, she wouldn't have been arrested. (Excuse me? Did we read the same story? - .250 Sav)STEPHEN WALLSan Diego Throwing a 60-year-old woman to the ground and handcuffing her demonstrates a complete disregard for what the police are supposed to be about. The San Diego Police Department should take appropriate action against the two officers. But I also have a problem with your paper reporting this story in the manner you did. The same thing - a host being dragged from a party, thrown to the ground and excessive force used - happens in areas like Linda Vista and Logan Heights all the time. (This is the Mexican section of town, where the YOUNG, MALE gang-bangers have wild, drunken parties til the wee hours involving drugs, weapons, and fights - trying to compare THAT to a 60-year-old WHITE woman, playing the "race card" - .250 Sav)Why are such arrests never reported in your newspaper? People who live in those neighborhoods today are thinking, "That's what happened to my friend a couple weeks ago. How come this one gets a full-blown story, and what happened to my friend wasn't even mentioned in 'Crime Watch'? Oh, that's right. It only matters when it happens to rich people in rich communities." Thanks for making a lot of citizens aware that, to you, they really are second-class citizens. JESSE GALLEGOSSan Diego It must be nice to live in a world where you don't have to obey the reasonable (sure - "reasonable" - .250 Sav) demands of a police officer. Jernigan learned a valuable lesson: All of her money, jewels, liquor and friends don't immunize her from the rule of law. JEFFREY NEEDLEChula Vista It seems as if San Diego police have taken lessons from Attila the Hun. Surely an "All right, lady" from the officers would have provided a satisfactory ending to this apparent fiasco. Do the cops get extra brownie points from the chief if they show their authority by bashing senior women? Surely the time has come for a Civilian Police Review Board that has some teeth. (FINALLY! SOMEONE WHO DOESN'T MAKE ME FEEL LIKE MY GRASP ON REALITY HAS SLIPPED!!! - .250 Sav)BOB O'DWYERSan Diego This story definitely was not worth printing. The issue isn't excessive force by the police, but the lack of respect people have for officers who are doing their jobs. The officers showed up to the Jernigans' because they had received a complaint. Now, they will have to go undergo a strict review process because an allegedly drunken suspect refused to comply with simple procedure. ERICA ADARGASSan Diego
People, for God's sake, please tell me I'm not going insane here. Please tell me it's the world that's going mad, and not me...

Comments

  • Shootist3006Shootist3006 Member Posts: 4,171
    edited November -1
    .250 - it isn't you! In a sane world, the 2 cops would be arrested for battery. Given the current mania for 'overcharging' maybe they should also be charged with "Conspiracy to commit Battery" and "Willful abuse under color of authority" and "Kidnapping" and "Unlawful arrest" and maybe even "Terrorism" (certainly terrorized that lady).The sad part is the comments attempting to justify these actions as 'just doing their job'. Didn't know that mugging Granny was 'their job'.
    Quod principi placuit legis habet vigorem.Semper Fidelis
  • niklasalniklasal Member Posts: 776 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    It isn't right what happened, but it is interesting to hear that it happens on the "greener" pastures. BTW, not all loud parties in latin sections of town are full of gangs and drugs. I've seen many being busted up that were full of old couples. I don't think it's a matter of the race card. Just some LEO on a power trip having to deal with someone who is on a power trip of her own. Nobody likes being told what to do.My 62 year old mother was hancuffed and put in the back of a cruiser for illegal parking. She parked her car, blinkers on, near a apartment building driveway in Washington to put a letter in the mailbox. An officer had been waiting for her to leave because as soon as she closed the door he came up and wrote he a ticket. She argued about getting a ticket and he threatened her with jail. My 62 year old, 5'2", 110lb mother! She calmed down, but he still handcuffed her and threw her in the back of the cruiser until he was done. She was in tears, hysterical. LEO, Prez of the USA, whoever... had I been there I would have broken my foot off in his @$$. Not a good idea, I know, but NOBODY beats up on my momma.
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  • BullzeyeBullzeye Member Posts: 3,560
    edited November -1
    As any LEO will tell you, a group of white rich socialites is just as dangerous and prone to attack a police officer as a group of poor minorities.Its not about the race, money, or age thing. Drunk people do violent, stupid things all the time. What if that poor little old lady had decided to go for the cop's gun? Y'know, just to try and play a little stupid-s**t drunk game with him. Like stealing his ticket-book and refusing to give it back?I'm against police brutality 100%. I've been on the bad side of police brutality.Difference is, I wasnt drunk, I didnt give the cop lip, I didnt resist arrest and I didnt steal his ticket book and refuse to give it back.You do all of those things, and hell yes you're gonna end up face down on the pavement!I'm also 100% against letting the flaming Liberals of the world put every LEO under the microscope to the point where every single time he tries to do his job he is questioned and berated by "those who know better!"Bottom line: You get drunk, harass a cop, and resist arrest, you WILL get tossed around a bit. That's called life, and thats called accountabilty. I dont care whether you're black or white, poor or rich.People need to grow the hell up and accept some responsibility.And I hope the owchie on Granny's chin is okay. $24.7 million makes a nice Band-Aid.
  • ThePaladinThePaladin Member Posts: 32 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    And what would have happened if, when the host was thrown to the ground, and jumped on top of, if one of the bystanders had pulled his or her weapon and shot and killed both of the police officers? Realizing that the bystander would have been the only one not drinking, except for the two officers (now dead) and the massive amount of witness's, along with the bloodied chin as proof of their strong arm tactics, what would have happened? Excessive force suit against the person shooting the police officers? I do not drink, as a rule, and if they had thrown my Mother down and bloodied her face, I am sure that I would have politely introduced myself to them with at least two well placed shots to the head. Right thing to do, probably not, but there are some things that I draw the line at. I will not stand by and let somebody do that to my mother, as arguementive as she can be.
  • JustCJustC Member Posts: 16,056 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    so, by that logic, the next time a cop mouths off to me a little bit, I can toss them around right? What if he refuses to give me back my license when I want it, is he resisting? A 110lb 60yr old woman couldn't get their gun if she wanted to, and if she did, both those idiots should be fired.
  • salzosalzo Member Posts: 6,396 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Some people(read above post) will just give a pass to a LEO no matter what. How anyone can justify this brutality is beyond me.I have noticed that LEOS do not like it when you request their badge number. When I was in College, I got locked out of my apartment. I was yelling up to my roomate, trying to get him to notice I was downstairs and locked out. The * the bottom floor called the police, and they arrived and asked me what I was doing. Told them what happend, showed them my ID, and they acted like complete a@@holes. "Duhh, well that was pretty stupid.Why did you lock yourself out? Dont you thin it it is pretty stupid to sit here yelling up to the top floor?At this point I asked for their badge numbers, which set the two jug heads off."You want our badge numbers? Ill give you our badge numbers!"-At which they pushed me to the wall, made me assume the position, and frisked me. After the frisk, one of the jug heads spun me around, put his face two inches from mine, and shouted his badge number. Finally, my roomate came downstairs. He opened the door, and as I walked in, I called them a##holes, and shut the door before they might attempt to continue their little game.
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  • simonbssimonbs Member Posts: 994
    edited November -1
    A. He should have never let her have control of his ticket book. He should have held it for her to sign.B. There is no reason why he should not have given her his name/id#.C. She was drunk, argumentative, and not cooperating (she may or may not have been cooperative if he had given her his name/id# - we'll never know). D. Refusing to sign for acceptance of a citation/warning is an arrestable offense in the state of FL, I don't know about CA.E. I cannot see any reason why he had to thump her to put handcuffs on her. He should've been able to do that with way less force.F. I know my ABC's.G. Yes, she was drunk, but it was in HER HOME. NO reason for a public intox charge.
  • salzosalzo Member Posts: 6,396 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    SimonBS- I was wondering about that "Public Drunkedness" charge. I always assumed you could get drunk in your own home, or someone elses home. They probably wanted to stack up some charges to justify beatin up a 60 year old woman.
    Happiness is a warm gun
  • IconoclastIconoclast Member Posts: 10,515 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    'Holes on power trips as these two were give the good guys a bad name. Then the same clowns complain they 'don't get no respect.' LEOs have one of the hardest jobs in the world, but why deliberately make it even worse?
  • idsman75idsman75 Member Posts: 13,398 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    We can Monday-morning quarterback this situation all day long. First of all, this is the media doing the reporting. How do you know it went down like this? Just because someone is 60 years old doesn't entitle them to get into a tug-of-war match over a ticket book. The fact remains that the law was initially broken and the old lady decided that she was going to make it physical by playing tug-of-war. Yes, this is and should be grounds for arrest in and of itself. We dial 911 and we want the cops to do their job the way we see fit. I'm sorry ma'am, when was the last time you sat in on some police academy classes? If she was already scuffling over the ticket book, it is not beyond the realms of belief that she was also resisting arrest. I don't care how old you are or how much money you have or what part of town you live in or what color your skin is, an arrest is not something to be disputed while you are in handcuffs. That is what lawyers and judges are for. If there were no grounds for arrest, the cops should be punished. Plain and simple. I'm sure EVERYONE at the party was a close friend of this "socialite" and probably saw through distant windows as their friend fell to the pavement. Ever see someone in cuffs resist with all their might and practically leap forward forgetting that they have no means of maintaining their own balance? Remember, this is the media reporting this. An old lady bruises easily. The cop could very well have been trying to restrain her as gently as possible so as not to cause bruising which would inevitably be used against him in court. Old lady lunges and cop doesn't have firm grip. Old lady falls. Pure and simple. Old lady has lots of money and influence. Media runs to her cause and friends attempt to protect her "socialite" image which is already clouded by the *-kissing that they were delivering at her champagne and caviar-laden party. How many of these so-called witnesses do you think were intoxicated? A large group of intoxicated idiots comes running out of the house ready to kick and punch. A cop's job is to protect those that are in handcuffs because they no longer have the means to do that themselves. The cop jumps on top of the old lady to prevent her from receiving soon-to-be-delivered blows from intoxicated idiots. Take what the media tells you. Subtract 10 and divide by 2 and you may be close to the truth--especially when it comes to stories of "police brutality". I know it happens but I've never seen so many level-headed people turn into sheeple as they do when a story like this comes out. Oh I forgot, it must be true because you heard it on the news. I thought that people that frequent this forum had a healthy distrust of the media. Or is that just when it comes to gun-related issues?
  • BullzeyeBullzeye Member Posts: 3,560
    edited November -1
    Try an unhealthy and downright paranoid disgust for anything media related that would make David Koresh proud.
  • Mr. LoboMr. Lobo Member Posts: 538 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    idsman75 I agree with your post and believe that the media once again has blown this way out of proportion. Good stories sell papers!
  • LightningLightning Member Posts: 945 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    And cops wonder why the public has a general dislike for them. I know there are a few good cops out there. Also I know the ones on a power trip make it hard for the good ones to get any respect.
  • BoltactionManBoltactionMan Member Posts: 2,048 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Having been a reserve police officer before and having been in similar situations I can offer the following:1)She was being given a warning not a ticket. All she had to do was sign the paper.2)She wanted badge numbers and got it from the one officer. The second did not refuse it he told her it would be on her warning. You always have to put your badge number on the ticket/citation/warning ticket. Again, sign the paper.3)She had been drinking, there was a crowd. I don't care if you're in LA or Beverly Hills, her actions in a crowd starts trouble. When she resisted, she was going to jail, plain and simple.4)As for the idiot who jumped on top of the cops, he could consider himself lucky. He could have been shot, and they would have gotten away with it. Crowd actions are dangerous, and the other police officer did a good job of not overreacting but calling for help.Moral of the story, those two officers were within their legal rights as police officers. They may have been some heavy handed, but probably not. None of us, including the reporters were there.Just my opinion.KC
  • .250Savage.250Savage Member Posts: 812 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Thanx for all the replies, guys. I realize this is NOT a clear-cut Jack Booted Thug thing, but it really upset me. Ultimately, I believe that generally, Wiser Heads Will Prevail (unless there is a Democrap in the White House, of course), so I am sure this story will shake out to the best interests of everyone. I guess that, like many here, I was ready to go ballistic over it being someone's Mom. Had I been there, and had it been MY Mom, the coroner would probably have had to use a circular saw to cut my Buck knife out of their hip bones.
  • arthur wellingarthur welling Member Posts: 66 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    In general and in particular, we support our police around here.That said, reality is officers are humans with weapons and a big leeway build into the system. They can get away with things that average citizens go to jail for, just as they get to take risks that average citizens don't have to.We support our police, BUT just in case...everyone in our family carries cell phones and knows to dial 911 if they ever get pulled over or have an incident involving the police. They know to tell the 911 operator that they want reassurance about the officers actions, and they know to dial BEFORE the officer even gets to the car window.Not looking for trouble, just keeping everyone on the same page.
  • daddodaddo Member Posts: 3,408
    edited November -1
    What happened to the "peace officer" as they were called at one time? Those two need training bad. I don't see where they made any attempt to keep the peace! They were unable to take control without violence! They are a threat to civilians. The LEO's wonder why they get less and less respect - because the people are getting tired of the "Police State" tacticsthat exist today! She was charged with public intoxication? She was in her home until she was dragged out in public!! Your home is not public property. There are far too many LEO's out there that have the mentallity of "macho men" that think they are "the law" instead of "law inforcement officers" and public servants hired and paid by the people they violate! AND IT'S GONNA GET WORSE!!
  • tr foxtr fox Member Posts: 13,856
    edited November -1
    I distrust all government (city, county, state, and federal) and it's agents (police, etc). However, if you ever want to know the identity of the police officer you are dealing with, and don't want to ask, after the encounter call the dispatcher, the shift supervisor or contact the citizen's review board. This information is recorded and can probably be retrieved.
  • tr foxtr fox Member Posts: 13,856
    edited November -1
    I distrust all government (city, county, state, and federal) and it's agents (police, etc). However, if you ever want to know the identity of the police officer you are dealing with, and don't want to ask, after the encounter call the dispatcher, the shift supervisor or contact the citizen's review board. This information is recorded and can probably be retrieved.
  • CZECHMATE2CZECHMATE2 Member Posts: 203 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Yes there are good policeman out there but the majority of them are power hungry a@@holes that like to throw their immense weight around & give the good ones a bad name.
  • Wild BillWild Bill Member Posts: 155 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    The bottom line is, if you werent' there then you don't REALLY know what happened. Right? So stop Monday-morning quarterbacking this incident and take it for what it is......media sensationalism.
    "Gun control is not about guns; it's about control." "If guns cause crime, then matches cause arson."
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