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Josey1
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Lott to McDermott: Shut Up and Come Home
Senate Minority Leader Trent Lott, R-Miss., angrily blasted Congressman Jim McDermott, D-Wash., Sunday afternoon after the left-wing Democrat predicted that President Bush would lie to get the U.S. into a war with Iraq during an interview he conducted earlier in the day from Baghdad.
"He needs to come home and keep his mouth shut," Lott told reporters.
"For him to be in Baghdad, the center of one of the most dangerous dictators in the world with all kinds weapons of mass destruction, to be questioning the veracity of our own American president is the heighth of irresponsibility."
Earlier in the day, McDermott, who is on a so-called peace mission with Rep. David Bonior, was asked about his previous statement that he thought Bush would lie to start a war.
"I think the president would mislead the American people," McDermott told ABC's "This Week" from Baghdad. "I believe that sometimes they give out misinformation. Lyndon Johnson did it in the Vietnam War."
Before he went to Iraq McDermott told NBC's "Today Show," "The President of the United States will lie to the American people in order to get us into this war."
http://www.newsmax.com/showinsidecover.shtml?a=2002/9/29/194600
"If cowardly and dishonorable men sometimes shoot unarmed men with army pistols or guns, the evil must be prevented by the penitentiary and gallows, and not by a general deprivation of a constitutional privilege." - Arkansas Supreme Court, 1878
Edited by - josey1 on 09/30/2002 07:08:40
Senate Minority Leader Trent Lott, R-Miss., angrily blasted Congressman Jim McDermott, D-Wash., Sunday afternoon after the left-wing Democrat predicted that President Bush would lie to get the U.S. into a war with Iraq during an interview he conducted earlier in the day from Baghdad.
"He needs to come home and keep his mouth shut," Lott told reporters.
"For him to be in Baghdad, the center of one of the most dangerous dictators in the world with all kinds weapons of mass destruction, to be questioning the veracity of our own American president is the heighth of irresponsibility."
Earlier in the day, McDermott, who is on a so-called peace mission with Rep. David Bonior, was asked about his previous statement that he thought Bush would lie to start a war.
"I think the president would mislead the American people," McDermott told ABC's "This Week" from Baghdad. "I believe that sometimes they give out misinformation. Lyndon Johnson did it in the Vietnam War."
Before he went to Iraq McDermott told NBC's "Today Show," "The President of the United States will lie to the American people in order to get us into this war."
http://www.newsmax.com/showinsidecover.shtml?a=2002/9/29/194600
"If cowardly and dishonorable men sometimes shoot unarmed men with army pistols or guns, the evil must be prevented by the penitentiary and gallows, and not by a general deprivation of a constitutional privilege." - Arkansas Supreme Court, 1878
Edited by - josey1 on 09/30/2002 07:08:40
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NewsMax Wires
Monday, Sept. 30, 2002
WASHINGTON -- Two U.S. congressmen visiting Iraq urged the United States Sunday to take Iraq at its word on allowing unfettered international weapons inspections and stop "provoking" a new Gulf war.
The congressmen -- David Bonier, D-Mich., and Jim McDermott, D-Wash. -- said Iraqi officials they have met in Baghdad had all promised that inspectors searching for weapons of mass destruction could enter any site they wanted at any time, but that Iraq also wanted to be treated with dignity at the same time.
"They say to the person they will allow unrestricted, unfettered inspections, any time you want, anywhere you want," Bonier said in a live television interview with ABC's "This Week with George Stephanopoulos."
"They want their sovereignty respected ... they want to be treated with some dignity and respect, but basically they are suggesting that everything will be open for the inspections."
McDermott, who like Bonier voted against war with Iraq in 1991, added: "They said they would allow us to go anywhere we wanted, and until they don't do that, no one needs to do this coercive stuff where you bring in helicopter and armed people and storm buildings.
"I think you have to take the Iraqis on their face value ... They should be given a chance, otherwise were trying to provoke them into war."
The visit to Iraq by the congressmen coincides with negotiations in Washington between Congress and the administration of President George W. Bush on language for a resolution supporting the president in acting against Iraq to disarm Saddam Hussein's regime, in keeping with previous U.N. resolutions which Saddam has ignored or violated over the past decade.
U.S. policy on Iraq, adopted during the Clinton administration, also calls for the ouster of Saddam.
The White House, which declined to criticize the congressmen's visit to Iraq, reiterated Sunday that the president was confident he would receive the kind of congressional resolution he desires.
Thanks for the Opinion
"The president welcomes everyone's opinion and the debate that is ongoing, but as he said in the Rose Garden Thursday he is confident that we will be able to work out with the Congress a bipartisan resolution that is strong, effective and authorizes the use of force," spokesman Gordon Johndroe told United Press International.
Negotiations between the United States and U.N. member states for a strongly worded U.N. resolution that would also authorize military action if Saddam failed to comply with inspection and disarmament mandates within a specific time period were also under way.
Bush, speaking before the U.N. General Assembly Sept. 12 read out a long list of U.N. resolutions imposed on Iraq following the 1991 Gulf War that the Baghdad regime had ignored.
Citing the threat to peace posed by Iraq's pursuit of weapons of mass destruction and the need to take action to protect its credibility, Bush called on the U.N. to issue a strong resolution that would authorize military action if violated. If it did not, he said, the United States was prepared to act on its own, and with allies, to disarm Iraq.
Meeting Slated
On Monday, Hans Blix, the U.N.'s chief weapons inspector, is scheduled to meet in Vienna with Iraqi arms experts to attempt to work out logistical details with Iraq following its Sept. 16 letter to the United Nations pledging re-entry of inspectors absent since 1998 and access without conditions.
It's estimated it would take up to 60 days once arrangements were agreed to for inspectors to be at work.
The Bush administration has called the promise -- made in a letter to the U.N. on Sept. 16 -- another ruse to buy time and divide the U.N. Security Council to keep it from acting against it.
France, China and Russia, all veto-capable members of the Security Council, have voiced opposition to military action against Iraq and have cited the Iraqi letter as evidence a new resolution is not needed.
Bonier and McDermott said they had met with Iraqi Deputy Prime Minister Tarik Aziz and with Foreign Minister Naji Sabri, as well as others.
Their movements in the country, they said, had not been restricted in any way.
McDermott said both he and Bonier supported the disarming of Iraq, but the case had not been made for war, and he believed the president "would mislead the American people" to go to war with Iraq.
Bonier added that a new war against Iraq would bring further suffering to the Iraqi people. He also called for attention to be paid to Iraqi children contracting various cancers because of the United States' use of shells made with depleted uranium.
The use of those shells, which increases their ability to penetrate armor, was "horrific and barbaric," he said.
The White House said Sunday "the American people know the president hasn't mislead them, and won't mislead them."
Sen. Don Nickles, R-Okla., criticized the congressmen.
"I'm very troubled by what I just heard," he told ABC's Stephanopoulos. He said saying the president would mislead the American people made them appear "spokespersons for the for the Iraqis government."
"When you have congressman in Baghdad saying they think the president would mislead the American people, that is a pretty harsh charge. I don't know what they're doing there."
Copyright 2002 by United Press International.
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2002/9/29/161817.shtml
"If cowardly and dishonorable men sometimes shoot unarmed men with army pistols or guns, the evil must be prevented by the penitentiary and gallows, and not by a general deprivation of a constitutional privilege." - Arkansas Supreme Court, 1878
By Joyce Howard Price
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
"I think the president would mislead the American people," Mr. McDermott said on ABC's "This Week" about the president's campaign for support for a military campaign against Iraq.
In interviews on political talk shows yesterday, Mr. McDermott and Rep. David E. Bonior, Michigan Democrat, who also was in Baghdad, denounced the Bush administration while saying nothing negative about Saddam.
Specifically, they criticized U.S. efforts to pressure the U.N. Security Council to pass a new resolution designed to force Iraq either to accept unrestricted arms inspections or face military action.
Mr. McDermott said he is convinced the United States is "trying to provoke a war." He said it has "put a gun at the head of Saddam" and was saying, in effect, "We're going to shoot you if you blink."
Senate Minority Whip Don Nickles, Oklahoma Republican, said the two Democrats were spreading Saddam's message. Mr. Nickles also said he was "really troubled" by Mr. McDermott's assertion that Mr. Bush would mislead Americans.
"They both sound like spokespersons for the Iraqi government," he said on the same ABC program. "They are taking the lines of the Baghdad government."
On CNN's "Late Edition," Sen. John McCain, Arizona Republican, said, without explicit reference to the two Democrats, that he has to "wonder about the lack of skepticism on the part of some people about the Iraqis' sincerity."
Mr. McDermott, Mr. Bonior, and a third anti-war Democrat, Rep. Mike Thompson of California, were in Iraq hoping to persuade Saddam's regime to accept unfettered weapons inspections and avert a war.
The three, who previously have called the 12-year U.N. sanctions program against Iraq "barbaric," not only oppose the proposed U.N. resolution that the United States is seeking, but also criticized a congressional resolution being hammered out that would authorize U.S. military force against Iraq.
"We don't have to pass a resolution in the Congress or in the Security Council right now. Things are moving forward." Mr. McDermott said on CNN, pointing out that U.N. inspections chief Hans Blix is scheduled to meet Iraqi officials in Vienna today to discuss inspection rules.
"We need to go back to an unrestricted regime," Mr. Bonior said on ABC. "And we also need to do that without the pressure of Iraq or the United States. Let the U.N. inspectors do their jobs."
In a statement yesterday, White House spokesman Gordon Johndroe did not detail the president's reaction to the three Democrats' criticism of U.S. policy while in Baghdad.
He, however, said Mr. Bush welcomes the lawmakers' opinions but is "confident that Congress will pass a bipartisan resolution that is strong, effective, and authorizes the use of force."
Mr. McCain agreed yesterday, saying he foresees the House and Senate giving "overwhelming majority support" by the end of the week or early next week to a resolution meeting Mr. Bush's needs.
Iraqi officials said Saturday that they would not accept the draft of a U.N. resolution being pushed by the United States and Britain.
The draft resolution would give Baghdad seven days to disclose information about its illegal weapons of mass destruction and set an additional 23-day deadline for inspections to verify those disclosures.
Iraq already has said it would only accept the inspection regime it accepted in talks with U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan in February 1998 that put some presidential palaces off-limits to scrutiny.
However, Mr. McDermott and Mr. Bonior said yesterday that Iraqi officials have assured them that they would allow "unrestricted" inspections.
"The Iraqis we have talked to have said basically [inspectors] will have that unrestricted ability to go wherever they want to inspect," Mr. Bonior said.
Mr. McDermott said the Iraqis "would allow us to go look anywhere we wanted. And until they don't do that, there is no need to do this coercive stuff where you bring in helicopters and armed people and storm buildings."
Richard Butler, who formerly headed the U.N. weapons inspection team in Iraq, left Baghdad after being denied access to many sites. Saddam then barred the inspectors from returning.
On ABC yesterday, interviewer George Stephanopoulos pointedly asked the two Democratic congressmen why "should we take the Iraqis at their word they have a decade-long record of denying inspectors access and deceiving U.N. inspectors."
Mr. Bonior responded: "We could go back and play the blame game here until the moon comes out. But that's not going to do us any good."
Unlike Mr. Bonior and Mr. McDermott, though, Mr. Thompson did criticize Saddam, saying on CNN's "Late Edition" that he was partly to blame for the Iraqi people's sufferings in the past decade.
Mr. Thompson held that conditions in Iraq are "terrible" and that Saddam "has suffocated his own people." The lawmaker said it's a "tragedy" when a dictator controls a country of "such great wealth" and makes it impossible for the people to have effective medicines, water sanitation and other services that they "so enjoyed just 10 to 12 short years ago."
On ABC, Mr. McDermott and Mr. Bonior said Iraqi officials have given them unrestricted access to people and facilities they wanted to see.
"They have not kept us from doing anything we asked to do," Mr. McDermott said.
He identified a water-filtration plant, hospitals and diarrhea-treatment clinics as some of the sites they visited.
It was not clear whether the congressmen were invited to check out any suspected weapons sites, although Mr. Bonior made a different nuclear-related complaint.
"The only nuclear piece that we've been able to detect here, and we're not looking as inspectors, because we don't know how to do that but what we have seen is an incredible, unconscionable increase in leukemias and lymphomas for children that have been affected by this uranium that has been part of our weapons system that was dropped here during the last war" in Iraq in 1991.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20020930-70254835.htm
"If cowardly and dishonorable men sometimes shoot unarmed men with army pistols or guns, the evil must be prevented by the penitentiary and gallows, and not by a general deprivation of a constitutional privilege." - Arkansas Supreme Court, 1878
And I noticed that on the second go 'round, on Late Edition, as soon as they made comments critical of Saddam the sattelite link went down. Worked fine as long as they were spewing that pro-Saddam traitorous bilgewater. Coincidence?
Let them know how you feel. I sure did. In fact, I suggested to both that they should stay in Iraq.
Contact Information (or fnd it on the NRA wesite, www.NRA.org)
McDermott
Web Site: www.house.gov/mcdermottE-mail: Contact Via 'Write Your Rep.' Washington Office:Phone: (202) 225-3106Fax: (202) 225-61971035 Longworth House Office BuildingWashington, D.C. 20515-4707 Main District Office:Phone: (206) 553-7170Fax: (206) 553-71751809 7th Ave., #1212Seattle, WA 98101
Background Information
Party: Democrat Residence: SeattleMarital Status: Married (Therese Hansen)Prev. Occupation: PsychiatristPrev. Political Exp.: WA House, 1970-72; WA Senate, 1974-87 Education: BS Wheaton College, 1958; MD University of Illinois, 1963Military: USN, 1968-70Birthdate: 12/28/1936Birthplace: Chicago, ILReligion: Episcopal
Other Information
Term: 7th
First Elected: 1988
Percentage in Last Election: 73%
Major Opponent: Joe Szwaja
Committees:
Budget
Ways and Means
PAC Contributions
2001-2002 Election Cycle
1999-2000 Election Cycle
Bonior:
Note
Rep. Bonior is not seeking re-election to the House in 2002.
Contact Information
Web Site: davidbonior.house.gov
E-mail: david.bonior@mail.house.gov
Washington Office:
Phone: (202) 225-2106
Fax: (202) 226-1169
2207 Rayburn House Office Building
Washington, D.C. 20515-2210
Main District Office:
Phone: (586) 469-3232
Fax: (586) 469-7950
59 N. Walnut, #305
Mt. Clemens, MI 48043
(more district offices)
Background Information
Party: Democrat
Residence: Mt. Clemens
Marital Status: Married (Judy)
Prev. Occupation: Public Official
Prev. Political Exp.: MI House, 1973-77; US House, 1977-present
Education: BA University of Iowa 1967; MA Chapman College, 1972
Military: USAF, 1968-72
Birthdate: 06/06/1945
Birthplace: Detroit, MI
Religion: Catholic
Other Information
Term: 13th
First Elected: 1976
Percentage in Last Election: 64%
Major Opponent: Tom Turner
PAC Contributions
2001-2002 Election Cycle
1999-2000 Election Cycle
Edited by - redcedars on 09/30/2002 12:05:59
Guns only have two enemies: Rust and Liberals....
He's the one, if you remember, who passed-on the recording of Newt Gingrich on his cell phone and then swore up and down he had nothing to do with it. Only after the heat died down then he told the truth and bragged about being involved in the illegal wiretapping.
Lord Lowrider the LoquaciousMember:Secret Select Society of Suave Stylish Smoking Jackets She was only a fisherman's daughter,But when she saw my rod she reeled.
I want to invoke the NH Constitution and revolt!! And send all these mushbrains somewhere far, far, away . . . like the middle of the sun.
if your going to be a savage, be a headhunter
http://www.tmorg-forums.com/
S%#T eating little puppy gwhore traded missle guidance tech.
for campaign funds gwhore even thought that budist camp
was a camp for boy scouts.
And in case I haven't made myself perfectly clear, if I were with the CIA, I'd recommend this guy have a bad accident. I'm not kidding.
- Life NRA Member
"If cowardly & dishonorable men shoot unarmed men with army guns, the evil must be prevented by the penitentiary...and not by general deprivation of constitutional privilege." - Arkansas Supreme Court, 1878
Edited by - offeror on 09/30/2002 21:45:39
redcedars
You guys will love this. Use the Write your representative feature, found on the House home page for McDermott, but use his Seattle office address (posted above) as your home address. I used 1212, his office number for the zip+4.
I told him I disagreed with Trent Lott; that he should stay in Iraq with his buddy Saddam.
redcedars
If you don't know your rights, you dont't have any!