Bin Laden-man of the year?

alledan

Osama bin Laden is under consideration by Time Magazine for the title of "Person of the Year." Log on to http://www.vote.com/ to tell the editors of Time if the al Qaeda leader is a good choice - or if this would be a bad decision.The magazine's managing editor says the title goes to the person who has the biggest impact on history during the year, for better or for worse. Does this mean that bin Laden should be on the cover, or would that be an insult to everyone who lost loved ones on Sept. 11?When you vote on this issue at Vote.com, your opinion will be automatically e-mailed to Time magazine. Please make your vote count, and ask your friends and family to make their voices heard too! http://www.vote.com/

Judge Dread

Well,he is the perfect scapegoat for the perfect excuse for the perfect way of bringing america out of the economic depresion that started in early may 2001... Simple ... America economics run on WAR. Just Read History ... OK !

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Good , Bad ? Who cares? as long I am the one with the GUN... and the brains !

barto

there may have been a time when hitler was named man of the year but opinions evolve.today, i believe people feel man of the year carries a little bit of "niceness" with it.nice OBL aint!

mlincoln

Judge Dred,In between bouts of gobbling Thorazine and reading Lyndon Larouche pamphlets, perhaps you might want to consider that some things exist in this world for simple reasons, instead of because the Martians who control the Jews who control the executive board at General Motors which controls the whole world decided to make it so. Yes, it has been shown that war is good for the economy. At the same time, do you think there is any other reasonable response to the events of September 11? And if the goal of all of this was to get the economy going again, wouldn't it have been smarter to fight a huge ground war? Think of all the tanks and trucks destroyed, all the men killed. Wouldn't that have resulted in huge procurement orders and a massive thinning of the labor pool, both of which would help get the economy going? Like most crackpot ideas, this latest one of yours doesn't stand up to even a hint of reason.

Xracer

mlincoln....I don't worry about such things. I just put on my tinfoil hat. Maybe we should all chip in and buy one for the Judge. Anyway, back to the point. Yes, I think Bin Ladin should be named Man Of The Year. I can think of no one in 2001 who has had, for good or bad, more effect on the world.

Judge Dread

Mlincoln stated:Wouldn't that have resulted in huge procurement orders and a massive thinning of the labor pool, both of which would help get the economy going?JD Reply:This is planed to last 27 years ... Iran ,Irak ,Libia ... And you already say it ,but you forget how much it will cost to REPLACE WTC and themoney running in its RECUPERATION PHASE !!!a $40,000 billion boom in "HOME" defencerelated Spending $$$$$ and fringe "side" showearnings $$$$$$ WAR , POLITICS, its just another phase of wall street investment in the future ,better start buying thoose WARrelated stock now $$$$ time is money $$$.get your money on gold coins ,guns,ammo,food& prepare for some fun ! The current events are just the invitation ,the party have not even started yet......

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Good , Bad ? Who cares? as long I am the one with the GUN... and the brains !

whiteclouder

Dread:Good , Bad ? Who cares? as long I am the one with the GUN... and the brains !Well, 1 out of 2 ain't too bad, I guess.Clouder..

Redleg

Hitler was named man of the year in 1938 which was before the war started.

whiteclouder

redleg:What war and for whom? Ask a Czech when it started. They suffered the most insidious form of invasion, their own leaders betrayed them and the Europeans stood around with their hands in their pockets. War does not necessarily mean bombs and bullets. TIME magazine or any other reputable new outlet can not be an arm of our government. Nor should it reflect popular public opinion. I despise bin Laden but to deny he has not impacted the world scene more than any other last year is letting your emotions rule your logic. And that's the way to mob rule, like the Taliban use.Clouder..[This message has been edited by whiteclouder (edited 12-05-2001).]

Redleg

Whiteclouder...point taken. Bin Ladin is still a piece of sh*t. He should be voted for punching bag of the year.

Judge Dread

Deidiotification 101,read and learn history.FL Holocaust Museum PresidentLinks Bush Family To NazisSarasota Herald TribuneStaff Report11-22-1The president of the Florida Holocaust Museum said Saturday that George W. Bush's grandfather derived a portion of his personal fortune through his affiliation with a Nazi-controlled bank. John Loftus, a former prosecutor in the Justice Department's Nazi War Crimes Unit, said his research found that Bush's grandfather, Prescott Bush, was a principal in the Union Banking Corp. in Manhattan in the late 1930s and the 1940s. Leading Nazi industrialists secretly owned the bank at that time, Loftus said, and were moving money into it through a second bank in Holland even after the United States declared war on Germany. The bank was liquidated in 1951, Loftus said, and Bush's grandfather and great-grandfather received $1.5 million from the bank as part of that dissolution. "That's where the Bush family fortune came from: It came from the Third Reich," Loftus said. Loftus made his remarks during a speech as part of the Sarasota Reading Festival. The author of "Unholy Trinity: The Vatican, The Nazis and the Swiss Banks," Loftus documented the Swiss bank accounts that harbored funds confiscated from Holocaust victims and the participation of Italian priests in smuggling Nazi war criminals to safe haven in Canada, Central and South America and the United States after the war. Although he said he had a file of paperwork linking the bank and Prescott Bush to Nazi money, Loftus did not provide that documentation Saturday. Loftus pointed out that the Bush family would not be the only American political dynasty to have ties to the "wrong side of World War II." The Rockefellers had financial connections to Nazi Germany, he said. Loftus also reminded his audience that John F. Kennedy's father, an avowed isolationist and former ambassador to Great Britain, profited during the 1930s and '40s from Nazi stocks that he owned. "No one today blames the Democrats because Jack Kennedy's father bought Nazi stocks," Loftus said. Still, he said, it is important to understand these historical connections for what they tell us about politics today. The World War II experience points out how easy it was then -- and remains today -- to hide money in multinational funds. That money flows into American politics today, he said, from "a series of multinational corporations behaving like pirates. They don't care about ideology; they care about money." Loftus' speech left many in tears. "I am absolutely shocked," said Nancy Krauss of Punta Gorda. "I wish this would have come out before the election. My husband voted for Bush. I don't think he would have voted for him if he would have known." http://www.nettime.org/nettime.w3archive/200102/msg00005.html

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Good , Bad ? Who cares? as long I am the one with the GUN... and the brains !

Judge Dread

And as ALWAYS stupidity still thrives and history repeats itself again ...... Desuckerizing 101WSJ - Bush Sr. In Business With bin Ladin Family Via Carlyle GroupJudicial Watch.org9-28-1WASHINGTON, DC -Judicial Watch, the public interest law firm that investigates and prosecutes government corruption and abuse, reacted with disbelief to The Wall Street Journal report of yesterday that George H.W. Bush, the father of President Bush, works for the bin Laden family business in Saudi Arabia through the Carlyle Group, an international consulting firm. The senior Bush had met with the bin Laden family at least twice. (Other top Republicans are also associated with the Carlyle group, such as former Secretary of State James A. Baker.) The terrorist leader Osama bin Laden had supposedly been "disowned" by his family, which runs a multi-billion dollar business in Saudi Arabia and is a major investor in the senior Bush's firm. Other reports have questioned, though, whether members of his Saudi family have truly cut off Osama bin Laden. Indeed, the Journal also reported yesterday that the FBI has subpoenaed the bin Laden family business's bank records. Judicial Watch earlier this year had strongly criticized President Bush's father's association with the Carlyle Group, pointing out in a March 5 statement that it was a "conflict of interest (which) could cause problems for America's foreign policy in Middle East and Asia." Judicial Watch called for the senior Bush to resign from the firm then. "This conflict of interest has now turned into a scandal. The idea of the President's father, an ex-president himself, doing business with a company under investigation by the FBI in the terror attacks of September 11 is horrible. President Bush should not ask, but demand, that his father pull out of the Carlyle Group," stated Judicial Watch Chairman and General Counsel Larry Klayman. "This has the potential of making 'Billygate' (Jimmy Carter's brother's dealings with Libya) look like small potatoes," added Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton.PD: I sometimes use the gun too !

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Good , Bad ? Who cares? as long I am the one with the GUN... and the brains !

Judge Dread

For the final blast suck on this one for a wile ! it's lemon flavored !Nazis & Bush Family History:Government Investigated Bush Family's Financing Of HitlerBy Carla BinionOnlineJournal.com11-22-1This article on Nazis in the Republican party was originally published in Online Journal on 1/28/00. However, the following includes additional information regarding George H. W. Bush's father, Prescott, and his maternal grandfather, George Herbert (Bert) Walker, and the fact that the U. S. government investigated their financing of Adolf Hitler.One book referenced here, Christopher Simpson's "Blowback," was praised by journalist Seymour Hersh as "the ultimate book about the worst kind of cold war thinking." Nora Levin, Director, Holocaust Archive, Gratz College, said "The full story of this country's shameful, cynical collaboration with Nazi criminals has not been told until now with the publication of Simpson's book." Congresswoman Elizabeth Holtzman said, 'Blowback' is a must read for anyone who wants to understand postwar policy on Nazi war criminals and the cold war."In another Simpson book, "The Splendid Blonde Beast," the author wrote about George H. W. Bush's father, Prescott, and his maternal grandfather, George Herbert Walker. Both Bert Walker and Prescott Bush were powerful financial supporters of Adolf Hitler.Walker was president of Union Banking Corporation, a firm that traded with Germany and helped German industrialists consolidate Hitler's political power. Simpson says Union Banking became a Nazi money-laundering machine.Walker helped take over North American operations of Hamburg-Amerika Line, a shipping line and cover for I. G. Farben's Nazi espionage unit in the U. S. Hamburg-Amerika smuggled in German agents, and brought in money for bribing American politicians to support Hitler. A 1934 congressional investigation showed Hamburg-Amerika subsidized Nazi propaganda efforts in the U. S.George H. W. Bush's father, Prescott, was a board member of Union Banking and a senior partner in a Union Banking affiliate,??the investment firm Brown Brothers, Harriman. The U. S. government investigated both Bert Walker and Prescott Bush, and under the Trading with the Enemy Act seized all shares of Union Banking, including shares held by Prescott Bush. The government held that "huge sections of Prescott Bush's empire had been operated on behalf of Nazi Germany and had greatly assisted the German war effort."Investigative reporter Christopher Simpson says in "Blowback" that after World War II, Nazi cmigrcs were given CIA subsidies to build a far-right-wing power base in the U. S. These Nazis assumed prominent positions in the Republican Party's "ethnic outreach committees." Simpson documents the fact that these Nazis did not come to America as individuals but as part of organized groups with fascist political agendas. The Nazi agenda did not die along with Adolf Hitler. It moved to America (or a part of it did) and joined the far right of the Republican Party.Simpson shows how the State Department and the CIA put high-ranking Nazis on the intelligence payroll "for their expertise in propaganda and psychological warfare," among other purposes. The most important Nazi employed by the U.S. was Reinhard Gehlen, Hitler's most senior eastern front military intelligence officer. After Germany's defeat became certain, Gehlen offered the U. S. certain concessions in exchange for his own protection. Gehlen promoted hyped up cold war propaganda on behalf of the political right in this country, and helped shape U.S. perceptions of the cold war.Journalist Russ Bellant ("Old Nazis, the New Right, and the Republican Party") shows that Laszlo Pasztor, a convicted Nazi war collaborator, built the Republican cmigrc network. Pasztor, who served as adviser to Republican Paul Weyrich, belonged to the Hungarian Arrow Cross, a group that helped liquidate Hungary's Jews. Pasztor was founding chairman of the Republican Heritage Groups Council.Two months before the November 1988 presidential election, a small newspaper, Washington Jewish Week, disclosed that a coalition for the Bush campaign included a number of outspoken Nazis and anti-Semites. The article prompted six leaders of Bush's coalition to resign.According to Russ Bellant, Nazi collaborators involved in the Republican Party included:(1) Radi Slavoff, GOP Heritage Council's executive director, and head of "Bulgarians for Bush." Slavoff was a member of a Bulgarian fascist group, and he put together an event in Washington honoring Holocaust denier, Austin App.(2) Florian Galdau, director of GOP outreach efforts among Romanians, and head of "Romanians for Bush." Galdau was once an Iron Guard recruiter, and he defended convicted Nazi war criminal Valerian Trifa.(3) Nicholas Nazarenko, leader of a Cossack GOP ethnic unit. Nazarenko was an ex-Waffen SS officer.(4) Method Balco, GOP activist. Balco organized yearly memorials for a Nazi puppet regime.(5) Walter Melianovich, head of the GOP's Byelorussian unit. Melianovich worked closely with many Nazi groups.(6) Bohdan Fedorak, leader of "Ukranians for Bush." Fedorak headed a Nazi group involved in anti-Jewish wartime pogroms.The Philadelphia Inquirer ran an article on the Bush team's inclusion of Nazis (David Lee Preston, "Fired Bush backer one of several with possible Nazi links," September 10, 1988.) The newspaper also ran an investigative series on Nazi members of the Bush coalition. The articles confirmed that the Bush team included members listed by Russ Bellant.Journalist Martin A. Lee, has written for The Nation, Rolling Stone, The San Francisco Chronicle, and other publications. In "The Beast Reawakens," Lee confirms that during both the Reagan and Bush years, the Republican Party's ethnic outreach arm recruited members from the Nazi cmigrc network.Lee says that the Republican Party's ethnic outreach division had an outspoken hatred of President Jimmy Carter's Office of Special Investigations (OSI), an organization dedicated to tracking down and prosecuting Nazi war collaborators who entered this country illegally. Former Republican Pat Buchanan attacked Carter's OSI after it deported a few suspected Nazi war criminals.According to Lee, public relations man Harold Keith Thompson was principal U.S. point man for the postwar Nazi support network known as die Spinne, or the Spider. In the late 40s and early 50s, Thompson worked as the chief North American representative for the remaining National Socialist German Worker's Party and the SS. Lee writes that the wealthy Thompson gave generously to Republican candidates Senator Jesse Helms and would-be senator Oliver North. Thompson's money gained him membership in the GOP's Presidential Legion of Merit. Lee says Thompson also "received numerous thank-you letters from the Republican National Committee." Those letters are now in the Hoover Institution Special Collections Library.Christopher Simpson writes in "Blowback" that in 1983, Ronald Reagan presented a Medal of Freedom, the country's highest civilian honor, to CIA cmigrc program consultant James Burnham. Burnham was a psychological warfare consultant who promoted something called "liberationism." Just before the 1952 election, the CIA worked up a multimillion-dollar public relations campaign aimed at selling Americans on expanding cold war activities in Europe. Part of the guiding theory (given the name "liberationism") was the idea that certain Nazi leaders from World War II should be brought in as "freedom fighters" against the USSR.Reagan said that Burnham's ideas on liberation "profoundly affected the way America views itself and the world," adding, "I owe [Burnham] a personal debt, because throughout the years of traveling on the mashed-potato circuit I have quoted [him] widely." Reagan may not have known Burnham's theories were based on his work on projects that enlisted many Nazi collaborators, but it seems that Reagan's CIA Director Casey or former CIA Director, Vice President George Bush, would have informed him.At a May 9, 1984 press conference, Simon Wiesenthal said, "Nazi criminals were the principal beneficiaries of the Cold War." The cold war mentality, hyped by Reinhard Gehlen and other Nazis, became the shelter for tens of thousands of Nazi criminals. Helping the far right in this country to promote cold war hysteria became the Nazi war criminals "reason for being." As Christopher Simpson says, the cold war became those criminals' means "to avoid responsibility for the murders they had committed."Journalist Seymour Hersh says Christopher Simpson's "Blowback" is "the ultimate book about the worst kind of cold war thinking, in which some of our most respected statesmen made shameful decisions that they mistakenly believed to be justified." To this day, says Simpson, the U. S. intelligence agencies hide the scope of their post-World War II collaboration with Nazi criminals.Are Republicans like George H. W. Bush, Oliver North, and Jesse Helms aware they have been assisted by Nazi collaborators? Bush once worked for the CIA and should have known about the nature of the Nazis in his '88 campaign. No doubt he knows the history of Nazi/CIA collaboration. Whether or not Bush knew of the fascists' involvement in his campaign, the Republican Party should have done a far better screening job. One thing is certain: The intelligence agencies know the scope and extent of Nazi involvement with the political right in this country. It is a shame they keep it hidden from the majority of the American people. http://www.onlinejournal.com/Archive/ The point may be clear as to WHY Bin Laden is >MAN OF THE YEAR !<

whiteclouder

dread:Deidiotification 101,read and learn history.I take it you failed this one.Clouder..

badboybob

Judge you need to see your docter to have your medication adjusted. Right now you're a looney tunes guy.

nord

Quite a step taking Man of the Year to the subject of the Holocast and Nazi support of George W.First, let's all be a bit less jaded about men, politics, and money. That a man at the helm of big business might be involved with political foes of the United States isn't uncommon, nor can it always be judged wrong. Even in the midst of war there needs to be an avenue of communication open to the warring parties. Bankers have been the historic choice, along with religious figures. Bury your head in the sand and cry foul, but this is the way the world works.That George Bush may have benefitted from such an association or that his family has in previous decades isn't a matter that greatly concerns me. I should be more worried if no one made preparations should our enemy have prevailed in some way.On to Binny...To be named Man of the Year when one is merely a shameful coward who was smart enough and lucky enough to start a chain of events is beyond belief. The real honoree's should be those who acted and reacted to the horror this slimeball set in motion!The one's that made the difference were those who called home and said their goodbye's and then set out to stop the events Binny had set in motion. The real Man of the Year was the man or woman who put the life of another before their own AND ACTED!There are many such candidates and Benny isn't one of them! He should be so lucky as to be rendered in pork fat or used as fertilizer.

Judge Dread

Its not even easy for me to accept this as facts but the deeper you go in to the harelair the more weight this written statement takes in its form and expresion ,from tesisit becomes LAW ... as this are the true mechanics of the "SYSTEM". We MADE Bin Laden ,and as any tool if it becomes expendable is just the nature of things ....(Conversation at the white house on issue ofAfganistan "economic" developments prior to 911) How It Is Possible To Orchestrate And Mastermind A Terrorist Attack Without The Terrorists Themselves Even Knowing Who Is Really Behind ItBy David Icke9-30-1One of the crucial elements in the Illuminati global network is, as I have been emphasising in my books for years, the technique of "compartmentalisation". The Illuminati structure is one of pyramids within bigger pyramids within still bigger pyramids until you reach the one that encompasses all the others. It is like Russian dolls, one inside the other. Look at any organisation today, a bank, business, university, government, whatever, and you will see that it is structured as a compartmentalised pyramid. The person who sits behind the counter in a bank will not know what their branch manager is deciding or planning, and the manager, in turn, will not know what is happening at regional level, and they will not know what is being planned at national level, and on it goes. The only people who know the true plans and agenda of that bank are the handful at the top of the pyramid who know how all the innocent, individual, contributions by people employed by the bank fit together. The overwhelming majority of employees, including those in agencies like the CIA and FBI, have no idea what the big picture is because they are compartmentalised from what is going on elsewhere at their own level, let alone at higher and higher levels. What can seem matter of fact and innocent to an individual within the pyramid can be very much more sinister when put together with everyone else's compartmentalised contributions. A "bank" pyramid, for instance, is encompassed by bigger pyramids until you have one that includes the whole global banking system and at the top of that are a handful of interbreeding families going back to the far ancient world who pull the strings of global finance to suit and manipulate their own agenda. It is the same with governments, transnational corporations, the global media empires, the secret society network, national "security" agencies like the CIA, and so on. They are each compartmentalised on a "need to know" basis and imprisoned by bigger pyramids and at these higher levels these apparently unconnected institutions, businesses, and agencies are all the SAME organisation controlled by the SAME people. This Illuminati structure of compartmentalised pyramids allows them to organise horrendous attacks like those in New York and Washington while those who actually hi-jacked the planes have no idea who the ultimate "Mr. Big" really is. For instance, the CIA (a mere tool and often fall guy for higher agencies) provided money and other support to the Afghan rebels and terrorist networks that eventually became the Taliban during the Soviet Union invasion. But the money and support was channelled through Pakistan and elsewhere and while some in Afghanistan would have known where it was coming from, the vast majority would not have known the true source, nor the nature of the global game in which they were being used as mere pawns. The Illuminati don't control everyone or even nearly everyone in these various organisations, they control those who control the organisation. It is through these few key positions of decision-making that everyone else in the organisation, the pyramid, is told what they will and will not do. It does not take many people to control the actions and policy of an organisation, whatever it may be, if you control the key decision-making positions. So in terms of the atrocities in the United States, let's start with those who actually hi-jacked the planes. These could have been directly mind-controlled and programmed to do it, or they could have genuinely believed they were serving their religion. Probably a combination of the two. It matters not to the Illuminati, it is the outcome they are interested in. The hi-jackers would have answered to a network or what they believed were the actual organisers. But from that point they would have lost track of the power game that was playing them like a violin. Who controlled what the hi-jackers believed was their support and organisational network? They have no idea. The Illuminati do not represent a "side" or a "faction". They CREATE the "sides" and the "factions" and they use them to manipulate the game of divide and rule and centralisation of global power. They operate within the Islamic world as they operate within the "western world". So as the bigger pyramids envelope the smaller pyramids you reach a point in the structure where the same force is manipulating and organising the horrors in America while also manipulating and organising the RESPONSE to those horrors through their puppets such as Bush, Cheney, Powell, and Blair. This is how they can work their problem-reaction-solution scams. One of their strands creates the problem (in this case the U.S. atrocities) another strand (the media) tells the people the Illuminati version of the problem (98% of journalists do this unknowingly), and yet another strand offers the "solutions" to the problem, "solutions" which advance their global agenda (in this case a massive erosion of freedoms to "fight terrorism"). - http://www.davidicke.com/icke/articles3/terrorattack3.html Take it for its content. TIME is the great master that reveals facts from fiction...

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Good , Bad ? Who cares? as long I am the one with the GUN... and the brains !

barto

and awaaaayyyy we go arkresearch is alive and well!

beachmaster73

Judge get more batteries for your flashlight. Beach