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Gun Owners are a JOKE!
budmott
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If you don't get Shotgun News, you need to.
If you don't read Fred's column, you REALLY need to.
Everything in the column about US is true in some
form or another. As pogo long ago noticed, We have
met the enemy and he is US.
Or stated another way, we are our own worst enemies.
How many of your friends own guns and voted for Gore?
How many believe the statement, "I don't want to keep
you from owning you hunting guns".
How many voted for a POLITICIAN who immediately forgot
the Consitution even while he was taking the oath of
office?
When I first started surfing the net A LONG TIME AGO,
there was a site called "First against the wall" it
needs to be brought back.
Just My Humble Opinion.
later,
bud
If it weren't for lawyers, I wouldn't need a lawyer.
If you don't read Fred's column, you REALLY need to.
Everything in the column about US is true in some
form or another. As pogo long ago noticed, We have
met the enemy and he is US.
Or stated another way, we are our own worst enemies.
How many of your friends own guns and voted for Gore?
How many believe the statement, "I don't want to keep
you from owning you hunting guns".
How many voted for a POLITICIAN who immediately forgot
the Consitution even while he was taking the oath of
office?
When I first started surfing the net A LONG TIME AGO,
there was a site called "First against the wall" it
needs to be brought back.
Just My Humble Opinion.
later,
bud
If it weren't for lawyers, I wouldn't need a lawyer.
Comments
"The powers delegated by the proposed constitution to the federal governmentare few and defined, and will be exercised principally on external objects, as war, peace negotiation, and foreign commerce"
-James Madison
voted for a democrat ever since I have known
him, why? , his daddy did. True meaning of a
yellow dog democrat. And this person owns guns,
hunts, etc... just boggles my mind.
bud
If it weren't for lawyers, I wouldn't need a lawyer.
Man, were we gullible or what?
I'm sure he'll spend his second term trashing whatever's left of the Constitution!
Shouln't be too hard, cause there won't be much left after his first term at the rate he and Ashcroft are going!
Very well said! With the name 'Jody Commander' what's your past?
B - BreatheR - RelaxA - AimS - SightS - Squeeze
Show me the line between not up holding and
taking away. Very thin indeed. Does Mr. Bush
really care or does he tell YOU what you want
to hear? Is he better than the alternative,
of course he is, is he going to protect me and mine,
we will see. His "war" on terrorist is going
to give him powers that will screw us all, but
once again, we'll see. Do I hold out a lot of hope,
well he is a politician.
J M H O of which there are many.
bud
If it weren't for lawyers, I wouldn't need a lawyer.
At least the Republicans are pro-gun for the most part. Futher more, you never would have seen a democrat affirm the 2nd Admendment like Ashcroft did.
Have you noticed how the democrats are backing off from the anti-gun agenda lately?
Gino
"If All Else Fails, Read The Directions"
We are lucky NOT to have a continuation of the Clinton legacy right now. We are lucky not to have Gore in office snuggling with the Brady bunch.
As for the Democractic/anti-gun propaganda and disinformation campaign that has led to some people believing gun rights are all about hunting and sport, we've had to carry these "pro-gunners" for a while and will continue to do so. Again, the 2nd Amendment nowhere mentions sport or hunting. The word militia is a derivative of the word military. Protected guns are those suitable for militia use. While the NRA found fertile ground among hunters and probably tilled it a bit too hard themselves, and we are glad to have hunters on our team, it should be clearly understood that the rock solid basis on which the Second will stand or fall in court is a clearly made case for the individual right to own guns for defense of person, property and country. And that of course means military-worthy small arms, not quail and skeet longarms and Western six-shooters.
Education and activism can eventually get this message out to the nouveau "pro-gunners" who think Gore is their friend just because he promises not to ban hunting rifles. That's Brady-designed disinformation designed to divide us into conveniently defeatable groups -- the "manageable" hunters, and the supposedly "radical" supporters of "assault" weapons and defensive handguns. Did I mention that the Second Amendment has nothing to do with hunting or sport, nor do the equivalent state statutes on the same subject? Indiana did not give me a CCW so I could shoot ducks.
- Life NRA Member
"If cowardly & dishonorable men shoot unarmed men with army guns, the evil must be prevented by the penitentiary...and not by general deprivation of constitutional privilege." - Arkansas Supreme Court, 1878
In fact, my 13 year old son just now asked me what I was typing. I explained that I am discussing a political issue - campaign finance reform. I explained that under the new law, which GWB signed, if I joined with other citizens to form, for a hypothetical example, a science fiction advocacy organization, we would not be allowed to present our views on a candidate like Hillary Clinton during an election and tell people not to vote for her because she doesn't want children reading science fiction books. He replied, "But that's against the Constitution!" I wish most adults had as good a grasp on it.
How many voted for Bush, and like me were foolish enough to believe he would ACTUALLY uphold the United States Constitution??
Man, were we gullible or what?
I'm sure he'll spend his second term trashing whatever's left of the Constitution!
Shouln't be too hard, cause there won't be much left after his first term at the rate he and Ashcroft are going!
Stanman- So called conservative republicans will continually speak about conservative principles, and then vote just like a typical liberal skunk. They know that most people do not follow their voting records, but listen to the rhetoric. Republicans have been doing this for the past half dozen republican administrations.
The other thing the Republican politicians can count on, is that there will always be many republicans who will take out the "well could you imagine if the other guy was in there" explanation to excuse the blatantly liberal actions of "their guy".
You are right-Bush hoowinked a lot of folks with his "conservative" positions, and that is typical of republicans. Say one thing, and vote the other way-but dont expect those folks to recognize him for the skunk he is. They will just rationalize it with their "well imagine if the other guy was in there" mantra.
"The powers delegated by the proposed constitution to the federal governmentare few and defined, and will be exercised principally on external objects, as war, peace negotiation, and foreign commerce"
-James Madison
"Oh well, he is going to let the courts rule it unconstitutional"
Can you beleive that. The Guy swears to uphold and defend the constitution, admits that he thinks CFR is unconstitutional, but signs it anyway.
Now what happens,if the court decides that it IS constitutionbal? George Bush could have vetoed CFR,and saved the constitution from being in danger(which he swore to do).
Instead, GW decides to throw caution to the wind, TAKE A CHANCE with the supreme court, and put our first amendment in serious jeopardy.
"The powers delegated by the proposed constitution to the federal governmentare few and defined, and will be exercised principally on external objects, as war, peace negotiation, and foreign commerce"
-James Madison
Edited by - salzo on 06/01/2002 22:50:38
Pack slow, fall stable, pull high, hit dead center.
Well said!
And,I don't want to beat the subject to death. I would just like to point out that those who blindly support GW are just as mislead as those who blindly supported "Bl**-job Bill". (I think we called those people "ignorant", so I'm being kind.)
When ANY President begins to circumvent our system of checks and balances under the ever popular banner of "National Security", and then gives un-precedented powers to a bunch of National Security bufoons, I think EVERY American should be concerned.
George Bush is my president, for now.
I will respect him when he is deserving of respect.
I will criticize him when he is deserving of criticism.
Am I proud of my country? Hell yes!
Am I proud of my government? Hell no!
My last quetion is this. Can anyone explain why our FBI and CIA directors, and possibly our Attorney General, still have their jobs??
Read closer, I never mentioned Campaign Finance!!
I'm no blind believer, but what you guys apparently fail to realize is that while we consider our views reasonable there are a lot of people who have "radicalized" us. We are supposedly out there on some fringe of unreasonableness. I'm amazed by that as you might well be, and I hope it doesn't become the general opinion about true gun rights supporters.
Ashcroft has done some good things for us. When the anti-gun people are unhappy, it's a good indicator. Another positive side effect is that for the moment the anti-gun agenda has been back-burnered because nobody wants to take the administration to task over it in the present circumstances.
It is true that the campaign finance "reform" Mr. McCain stuck us with turned out to be a screwing of organized grass roots groups as well as the more sinister corporate "special interests." No doubt, NRA-haters were among the supporters of the bill, chuckling wildly. Hopefully, that won't stand. The NRA, no doubt, is already working on it. But that's one bill, not the ball game. We're making headway in other areas, particularly in the states with CCWs.
There are some people who think we sold out when we accepted taxation. Those people are never going to be happy with the American government again because it will never measure up to their image of "right." Neither will those who think we should give America back to the Native American Indians. Hopefully, we are more realistic, as a group, than that.
The best thing you can do if you don't like what our "friends" in Washington are doing is let them hear from you loud and clear, but don't treat them as the enemy, because if they're the enemy I don't know where we're going to find any friends among politicians. Maybe Bo Gritz is more your type? We are NOT the fringe; we are, I hope, mainstream Americans with a vision of freedom. Once you get tagged as being a member of a radical fringe, nobody will take you seriously any more and you can't afford to become a laughing stock.
When you have friends, you communicate with them. When you treat people like they were enemies, they don't like you or listen to you. It makes more sense to me to treat the current administration as basically friendly and keep communicating furiously on subjects of interest. If you'd like to see that assault weapons law sunset in 2004, you might want to consider doing the same.
Mantra, schmantra. I thought mantras went out with the hippies.
- Life NRA Member
"If cowardly & dishonorable men shoot unarmed men with army guns, the evil must be prevented by the penitentiary...and not by general deprivation of constitutional privilege." - Arkansas Supreme Court, 1878
Offeror, yes, I understand very well that we would be worse off under Gore. But it seems to me that GWB is giving the people who voted for Gore more of what they want than he is giving people who voted for himself (like me) what we want. When 2004 comes and Congress extends the ban on "naughty" guns and mags, and GWB signs it, we'll have this conversation again.
If GWB ever vetoes a bill in the name of freedom, or proposes a pro-freedom bill of his own, I'll change my opinion. (Tax reduction is in the slight plus column for GWB, but he only fiddled around with the rates, he didn't propose the fundamental reforms the system really needs.) And if he runs again in 2004 (likely), I will base by vote on what he did in the first 4 years, not what he says he wants to do in the next 4. I may even hold my nose and vote for him again, who knows?
I am not blessed with any knowledge or insight as to what Mr Bush will do in the future and claiming your rights have been usurped in some tangible way may have some basis in theory but We all know that special interest groups will find a way to support candidates,(Remember Gore and the Buddhists?)reform or no reform. I guess I'm just happy to have a president that openly avows his Christian beliefs and looks me in the eye and tells me something besides lies about his sex life for a change .
I sure would not want to be considered part
of the, what was it, the lunatic fringe.
I find it very sad when a person, president,
fellow poster or anyone is hailed, praised,
and thought exemplary, just for doing the
correct thing. Notice I did not say right
thing, did not want anyone to think it was
political.
Of course that is just me and I could be wrong.
bud
If it weren't for lawyers, I wouldn't need a lawyer.