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Our Founding Fathers on the Jews

FitzFitz Member Posts: 258 ✭✭✭
edited March 2002 in General Discussion
After doing more online research on the quotation attributed to Benjamin Franklin, I have discovered that according to the Franklin Institute it is a hoax. I sincerely regret that I did not discover this before starting this thread. http://www.adl.org/special_reports/franklin_prophecy/franklin_prophecy.html Fitz
(Original post)I must first say that it was only after great thought that I decided to post this string. I couldn't care less about the feelings of Zionists or dual citizens, but I do not mean to isolate or insult truly American Jews, especially those who (have) live(d) serve(d) and died for our Constitution.Fitz
Thomas Jeffeson (D. Boorstin, THE AMERICANS)"Dispersed as the Jews are, they still form one nation, foreign to the land they live in. " George Washington in Maxims of George Washington by A. A. Appleton & Co."They (the Jews) work more effectively against us, than the enemy's armies. They are a hundred times more dangerous to our liberties and the great cause we are engaged in... It is much to be lamented that each state, long ago, has not hunted them down as pest to society and the greatest enemies we have to the happiness of America."Benjamin Franklin in a "CHIT CHAT AROUND THE TABLE DURING INTERMISSION," at the Philadelphia Constitutional Convention of 1787. Statement recorded in the dairy of Charles Cotesworth Pinckney. He was a delegate from South Carolina."I fully agree with General Washington, that we must protect this young nation from an insidious influence and impenetration. The menace, gentlemen, is the Jews. "In whatever country Jews have settled in any great numbers, they have lowered its moral tone; depreciated its commercial integrity; have segregated themselves and have not been assimilated; have sneered at and tried to undermine the Christian Religion upon which that nation is founded by objecting to its restrictions; have built up a state within a state; and when opposed have tried to strangle that country to death financially, as in the case of Spain and Portugal.For over 1700 years the Jews have been bewailing their sad fate in that they have been exiled from their homeland, they call Palestine. But, Gentlemen, should the world today give it to them in fee simple, they would at once find some cogent reason for not returning. Why? Because they are Vampires, and Vampires do not live on Vampires. They cannot live only among themselves. They must subsist on Christians and other people not of their race.If you do not exclude them from these United States, in this Constitution in less than 200 years they will have swarmed in such great numbers that they will dominate and devour the land, and change our form of government [which they have done -- they have changed it from a Republic to a Democracy], for which we Americans have shed our blood, given our lives, our substance and jeopardized our liberty.If you do not exclude them, in less than 200 years our descendants will be working in the fields to furnish them sustenance, while they will be in the counting houses rubbing their hands. I warn you, Gentlemen, if you do not exclude the Jews for all time, your children will curse you in your graves. Jews, Gentlemen, are Asiatics; let them be born where they will, or how many generations they are away from Asia, they will never be otherwise. Their ideas do not conform to an American's, and will not even though they live among us ten generations. A Leopard cannot change its spots.Jews are asiatics, they are a menace to this country if permitted entrance and should be excluded by this Constitution." [This message has been edited by Fitz (edited 03-11-2002).][This message has been edited by Fitz (edited 03-11-2002).]

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  • whiteclouderwhiteclouder Member Posts: 10,574 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Crap! Another cut and paster. I thought we had one too many of these already.Clouder..
  • offerorofferor Member Posts: 8,625 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    This reminds me of a saying from Alcoholics Anonymous, a very wise spiritual healing program: "We realize we know only a little. God will constantly disclose more to you and to us." A humble and realistic point of view about living.Neither did the founders know it all. They failed to give women the right to vote and they held Africans as slaves and property -- and then there was that interesting business about defining certain people as 2/3 of a person... It took a long time for America to welcome those people equally into the melting pot. I have no wish or need to subscribe to the views of either Washington or Jefferson; I have a mind of my own. I will only say this much, from which any knowing person can discern my truth: I spent over 20 years in Hollywood trying to get ahead in the movie business, and my eyes and ears were open the entire time, as clear and sharp as any motion picture camera. My memories of the reality of that experience are clear and indelible. People, by their own behavior, showed me who they are and what I should think of them. I need no opinion when I have this hard data, accumulated first hand in the big, ethnically diverse city of Movietown, U.S.A. People are their own best and truest explanation. If you want to know the truth from any man, don't listen to his lips, simply watch what he does, where he puts his time and energy, where he chooses to go when he puts one foot in front of the other. A person's hands and feet tell their truth much more than their lips, which may not speak at all. Actions really do speak loudly, even when words won't come. I think the Bible says something like, by their fruits you shall know them. That's maybe the best definition of truth I know. That's how I was taught, by each person, to know each person. It's not mind reading, but it certainly is a nonverbal method of 'hearing' a person's true nature.
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  • FitzFitz Member Posts: 258 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Very well said indeed.I was absolutely shocked to find these quotations, but I found them far too significant to ignore and keep to myself. I will not disguise my aversion to "fellow citizens" with alterior motives for other nations. I see NO reason for my country to support Israel, and I believe that dual citizenship should be illegal. (I am also eligible for dual citizenship, but won't take it.)That having been said, I do agree with you wholeheartedly that being Jewish in the US should be just as unimportant as the color of one's eyes, yet it is my experience that it is far more important to Jews than it is to the rest of us. There seem to be certain truths in what these three statesmen said, despite my intial reaction. Again, I agree, offeror, but no matter how "hard-core" these quotations are, I felt they should be known.FitzFitz
  • gruntledgruntled Member Posts: 8,218 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Time to "poof" this one, this has gone too far. However I do disagree with the comment about our forefathers lack of wisdom in offering the franchise only to men. (Now that might make a nice new topic.)
  • beachmaster73beachmaster73 Member Posts: 3,011 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    X-Ring..gruntled. Beach
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