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Fingerprints may be requirement for handgun VA

Josey1Josey1 Member Posts: 9,598 ✭✭
edited September 2002 in General Discussion
Fingerprints may be requirement for handgun
By HAROLD NEDD, The Virginian-Pilot
c September 4, 2002

SUFFOLK -- Residents soon could be required to get fingerprinted every time they apply for a permit to carry a concealed handgun.
The City Council is expected to vote today on the measure that a gun-shop owner triggered when he recently applied for a new five-year permit.

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Richard Harris, who's been carrying a concealed weapon since 1974, reapplied in August for his new permit.

When asked for his police-issued fingerprint card, the 57-year-old former councilman pointed out that no law in the city requires it. City officials agreed.

But as a result, the council is considering an ordinance that makes fingerprinting a condition for a gun permit.



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``I can go along with it the first time,'' said Harris, who has moved his gun shop from downtown Suffolk to the city of Ivor. ``But after that, I don't see the necessity of it. I don't like being treated like a criminal, which is what that makes me feel like.''

Last year, 190 residents applied for handgun permits, said Circuit Court Clerk Henry C. Murden.

Under the proposed ordinance, anyone applying or reapplying would be fingerprinted.

City Attorney C. Edward Roettger Jr. stated in a proposed ordinance sent to the council that the city is required by law to expunge records from a fingerprint within 21 days of completing the application. The ordinance will allow the city to gather updated information when doing criminal background checks on applicants, including those who are reapplying, Roettger wrote.

Other matters on the council's agenda include:


A public hearing on a $25 processing fee the city wants to charge anyone admitted to the Western Tidewater Regional Jail, which serves Suffolk, Franklin and Isle of Wight County. City officials said the the 2002 General Assembly passed legislation that allows them to impose the fee aimed at offsetting the costs to house, feed and provide recreation to inmates.

A vote on a resolution to support the Nov. 5 referendum on the Hampton Roads Transportation Bill. The measure calls for a one-cent-on-the-dollar increase on the sales tax, which would provide revenue to fund six road projects in Hampton Roads. The projects include a third crossing between South Hampton Roads and the Peninsula as well as improvements to the stretch on U.S. 460 between Bowers Hill and Zuni. http://www.pilotonline.com/news/nw0904gun.html

"If cowardly and dishonorable men sometimes shoot unarmed men with army pistols or guns, the evil must be prevented by the penitentiary and gallows, and not by a general deprivation of a constitutional privilege." - Arkansas Supreme Court, 1878

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  • offerorofferor Member Posts: 8,625 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Fingerprints are already required to get a CCW here in Indiana. The thing is, I'm left handed and I think they take the right hand prints, so I guess they're more worried about identifying your presence at a crime scene than taking your prints off a gun. Pure speculation. Guys, we're entering the era of the more politically correct term "finger imaging." Finger imaging, aka fingerprinting by infrared light or other digital capture method, is going to be one of the ways you are IDed in the future. I helped install a new smart ID card system in the state of Connecticut's welfare system that has thumbprinting at its base, to avoid "double-dipping" by cheats. It works like a charm. I wrote the manuals for all three versions of the workstations. And yes, I helped test the system, so my prints are in the Connecticut database, no doubt. Do I expect them to one day become part of a national "single source" print database? Yep. Am I entirely comfortable with that? Well.....

    - Life NRA Member
    "If cowardly & dishonorable men shoot unarmed men with army guns, the evil must be prevented by the penitentiary...and not by general deprivation of constitutional privilege." - Arkansas Supreme Court, 1878
  • LagoLago Member Posts: 464 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Fingerprints are required in Texas for CCW and also for drivers license renewal.
  • n/an/a Member Posts: 168,427
    edited November -1
    Jail Fees! they have been in use here in Florida for a number of years now.

    If you get locked up and have some money with you they just take the fee from it, or if you dont have any, you cant get out until you pay their "HOTEL" fee.

    I think its a good practice, Why should the tax payers feed and house the Drunks, and disorderly.

    "A wise man is a man that realizes just how little he knows"
  • 4wheeler4wheeler Member Posts: 3,441
    edited November -1
    They took my finger prints the first time I got my permit to carry in virginia.My wife and daughter got their permit to carry and was not finger printed. When I renewed my permit 4 years ago I was not finger printed.

    "It was like that when I got here".
  • S&W ManS&W Man Member Posts: 208 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Offeror - Don't know who did your prints, but I have always had BOTH hands printed here, that has now been 9 times. The card has room for both and the law requires both.


    The second admendment GUARANTEES the other nine and the Constitution!
  • SUBMARINERSUBMARINER Member Posts: 1,362 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I got printed for my TN handgun carry permit.I already had prints on file from the military so it wasnt like i was giving them something that they didnt already have

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  • charlieccharliec Member Posts: 269 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I also am in IN. Didn't have my permit when I bought my gun. Got fingerprinted then. Did it again when i applied for permit. Shouldn't have to again.



    Chuck

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  • NighthawkNighthawk Member Posts: 12,022 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    That was very true,and myself and some of the guys were speaking about it.Our Governor in VA.signed into law that State Law supercedes local.This was done because we have the right to carry here.And some Citys or County's were makeing their own laws restricting CC.So he sighned the law to prevent this bull.And were told,he will stop the fingerprint issue if it passes as a City Law.

    Best!!

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  • punchiepunchie Member Posts: 2,792
    edited November -1
    Some of the juridictions require prints some don't and some flip flop back and forth. With VA being a 'will issue' state, one of the main requirements is to provide proof of sufficient fireams safety training. Again, it is up to the jurisdiction to clarify. Some will accept a veteran's DD214 as proof, some won't.

    Virtually all laws are written in very vague manner. That way it gives a certain feeling of importance to the localities. Just look at the different interpretations of our Constitution.

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