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Anti-war forces muster in San Francisco Bay area

Josey1Josey1 Member Posts: 9,598 ✭✭
edited September 2001 in General Discussion
Anti-war forces muster in San Francisco Bay areaBy Michelle Locke Associated Press WriterBERKELEY, Calif. (AP) -- Lu Irwin needs a little help carrying her peace banner through the streets these days. But her resolve to oppose war, any war, hasn't dimmed a bit. "War is no solution to anything," Irwin, 78, declared as she marched for peace in a quiet Berkeley neighborhood. As the country prepares to go to war over the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks that killed thousands, pacifist forces are mustering in the San Francisco Bay area. "We need to be looking for the people that perpetrated this and they should be tried by our courts and our justice system," said Barbara Lubin, one of the organizers of an anti-war rally Tuesday in Berkeley. "We cannot go and bomb an entire nation of innocent women, children and men." The rally, which organizers called an "emergency response to the beat of war drums," brought together many of the same people who opposed the Persian Gulf War 10 years ago, mounting a series of protests -- including one that temporarily shut down the Golden Gate Bridge. Recent polls show most Americans believe the United States should retaliate. But there is an alternate point of view, one espoused by U.S. Rep. Barbara Lee, the Democrat who represents Berkeley and Oakland and was the lone standout against giving President Bush broad war powers. "There has to be more than just picking out one country and letting loose," said Barbara Sykes, chairwoman of the Social Justice Center of Marin, which met Monday night to decide how to respond to the possibility of a U.S. military strike. Lubin, executive director of Middle East Children's Alliance, a Berkeley-based group of Jews critical of Israel's policies toward Palestinians, knows she's in the minority. But she feels compelled to offer an alternative to the message of retaliation and revenge. "We ourselves have just felt ... what an attack on innocent civilians is like," said Lubin. "We need to learn from that." On Sunday, a block-long procession of people walking two and three abreast made their way through Berkeley's upscale Elmwood neighborhood. Several carried signs saying, "Thank you, Barbara Lee." Another sign said, "An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind." A small child wore a hastily made placard that read, "no hurting people." Cars tooted in support and their drivers flashed the peace sign. Among the walkers was Irwin, who was sticking close to a stranger who'd volunteered to carry her peace banner, a colorful standard featuring a dove and an olive branch. She had the banner made a decade ago after being arrested while protesting nuclear weapons research at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory 35 miles from Berkeley. She said war is not the answer to terrorists taking over domestic jetliners and smashing them into the World Trade Center towers and the Pentagon. "We're violently opposed to the idea of going to war to revenge what happened," she said firmly. "The real worry is that there will be this hysterical overreaction." http://www.sacbee.com/news/calreport/data/N2001-09-18-1600-1.html Problems? Suggestions? Let us hear from you. / Copyright c The Sacramento Bee
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  • landislandis Member Posts: 230 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    "We're violently opposed to the idea of going to war to revenge what happened," she said firmly. I like this, "violently opposed" to violance. About as consistant and correct as a liberal can get.
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  • will270winwill270win Member Posts: 4,845
    edited November -1
    All goes to show that some people just suck and should be destroyed.(the career of that politician that is)
    If you run, you'll just die tired!
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  • SP TigerSP Tiger Member Posts: 872 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Like I have said before, no one really wants war, but we have no choice. There monsters should have been dealt with long before. These bleeding-heart liberals make me sick. They are the kind of people that will not punish their children for wrongdoings. I can hear it now "Let's talk about how you feel, why you think you misbehave." That's what they want us to do with these terrorists. Hold hands and "get in touch with their inner child". Like the Duke said in "The Longest Day", in his best Duke voice:"Send 'em to hell!"
    Better to have and not need, than need and not have.
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  • alledanalledan Member Posts: 19,541
    edited November -1
    If this country does go to war, the best advice i can give to the military men is if any of those puss's spit on you like back in the days of vietnam-punch the * of them-right in the mouth!
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  • mudgemudge Member Posts: 4,225 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    GEE...Anti-war protesters on the "left coast". And in Berkeley. What a concept. What is it about Kalifornia? Ignore the dum bastids.Mudge
    Anyone who CAN carry, SHOULD carry!Let me update that.Anyone who CAN carry, BETTER carry.
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  • badboybobbadboybob Member Posts: 1,658 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    No surprise from that den of socialist *.
    So many guns to buy. So little money.
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  • mlincolnmlincoln Member Posts: 5,039 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I was at work today and some women--you notice how it's almost always women who come up with this kind of BS--were talking about how all those Palestinian children don't really hate America and how they convinced their classes that these kids are just misguided and really don't hate us. Then they went on to talk about how hard the people in Afghanistan have it, how they suffer so badly. I wanted to freaking hit them. Why the hell do we allow women to assume any position of power or moral authority in this country? Why the hell won't someone say, "We're going to bomb the hell out of Afghanistan and any other place that's involved with this. We're going to send in the Marines and the Army and lots of our soldiers are going to die but they're going to kill so many more of the people who did this. And yes, lots of "innocent" people are going to die, but those "innocent" Afghan people didn't lift a damn finger to stop the regime that did this. Yeah, it's going to be hell but it's what we've got to do so let's stop talking and get on with it."Tell you what, if it wasn't for this board I'd about lose my sanity. The Washington Post has already started running articles critical of the war effort. I can only imagine what they'll do when in the fog of combat a village of civilians gets napalmed. God, what is this country coming to?
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  • metzmetz Member Posts: 121 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    It's beacause of fools like that that we must suffer the likes of Feinstein, Boxer, Lee, and I'm sure Mrs. Klinton is opposed, you sure don't hear much out of her. A little anger or outrage from the Senator of the state hardest hit seems appropriate.Andy
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  • Free N TXFree N TX Member Posts: 165 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Hilary Klinton is probably not saying much for her own political carreer. If we kick butt over there with minimal casualties then she will say she was all for it and supported the president, however, if we have a large amount of casualties then, when she tries to take over the white house, she will claim she was against the way the war was run and claim President Bush should have done a better job and that she would have done things differently and with fewer casualties. She is just a viper waiting to strike.Maybe we could get Pres. Bush to send Hilary over there to give messages to bin Laden personally, maybe he would be nice enough to send her home in a diplomatic b--y b@g. Not that I would ever wish anything bad to happen to her, after all she knows what is best for all of us. And Diane Fienstein could go along to take notes too. Just my own personal opinion of how they could better serve their country.
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  • ghotie_thumperghotie_thumper Member Posts: 1,561 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Leave it to the southern Kal Kommunist's association to tell us it's wrong to finish a conflict started by others. 2 wrongs might not make it right, but if done properly, the second wrong will prevent a third or fourth from ever becoming an issue. Lets face it the Afghani govt, the Tali Ban, is obviously fronting for Bin Laden and from the looks of it tied directly to Saddam Hussein. So what is the problem, lets go back, finish the job on Hussein and set an example for future governments who want to hide these subhuman terrorists. I say to He!! with anyone who tries to stop us. Do the chinese really want to start with us? I doubt it. After wiping Saddam Hussein and the 4th largest Army in the world in 4 days of ground offense, it's obvious that Soviet and Chinese technology is a few years behind us. Those camel jockeys in the middle east would be raking sand for a living if the United States hadn't shown them the oil they were camping on. No country on this planet can hold a candle to the military forces controlled by the United States. The BS needs to stop. We don't need permission from these idiots to punish murders of US citizens. Unfortunately I live in the Kommunist condition of Kalifornia, we'll try and votem out next time, hopefully they will keep up the political suicide and make a few more "can't we all just get along" type statements......I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG, OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION, UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. Now lets go finish the job they started.
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  • .250Savage.250Savage Member Posts: 812 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Guys, for what it's worth coming from a So Cal resident, I'm an NRA lifer, go to every gun show to work for the NRA, do whatever I can, vote against Swinestein and Poxer every time...and I absolutely think women shouldn't be allowed to vote, and certainly shouldn't be allowed to hold public office. What happened in NYC is the result of the "warm-n-fuzzy", "we-all-love-each-other" stupid hippie/woman weakness which is destroying our country. If women hadn't been mistakenly given the right to vote, Klinton would never have been elected once, much less twice. There are stupid men who voted for that piece of s__t, but they were in the vast minority!
    I may disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.--Voltare
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  • leeblackmanleeblackman Member Posts: 5,303 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Hey wasn't Berkley the same college that bread the jerks who sent supplies to the f*cking commies in Veitnam...If you don't think what happened in NY and the Pentegon shouldn't be avenged then you should be used as CANNON FODDER. I hate pacifists....Buncha sissies....
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  • IconoclastIconoclast Member Posts: 10,515 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Have to take issue w/ the gender comments - it's the ain't the gender, but the lack of critical thinking that causes this. Throughout history, there have been women who were great leaders in war and peace, to say nothing of deadly warriers in battle. If so many women voted for Slick, if so many are so brain dead devoted to 'warm & fuzzy,' it's not in their genes, but because they've been soaked in the BS of the likes of Maher & etc. for far too long. But I believe, sadly & for a bad reason, that most will come over to our views in time, for I fully expect OBL & Co. to unleash some more atrocities. Sometimes it takes more than one slap in the face . . . .But under no circumstances will I, could I, say anything positive about that @#$%^ holding the NY Senate seat beyond the fact she provides CO2 for the plants. All one has to do is look at the photos of her since 9-11 & it's plain to see that her mind is not on grief or retaliation, but the shards of her political career. I agree w/ FREE - send her to meet OBL - along w/ Jeffords, Scummer, Boxer, Fienstein & the rest of that pack of liberal cockroach crap. Send Bubba, too; I understand their menfolk have a special appreciation for the 'close personal attention' to women which characterizes him.
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  • IconoclastIconoclast Member Posts: 10,515 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    To expand on the previous post, I offer this quote from my local East Coast paper: ". . . most Americans know that this is a war that must be won. I've been extremely impressed by how he has handled the events following the attacks and I say that as someone who voted for Al Gore." The speaker was a woman on a college campus. I truly believe that this Berkley crap is just that - Berkley crap. At the moment, President Bush has an approval rating of 80-90% in the general public . . . . Looking at the minority, subtract the complete mushbrains and the remainder would be a number close to a census of the media. Of course they play up the anti-war demonstrations; Heaven forbid they show pictures of the other 90% who don't agree with them or of our flag, for these elitists are the only ones who Know What Is Best for our country. There will be some rapid transit to Kabul in the near future; it's my fondest hope that they will be on board (as in Slim Pickens in Dr. Strangelove). Purely hypothetical, but the idea of interning the Kalifornian liberals for the duration does have a certain appeal. Wonder how they would be acting if the planes had gone down in LA? Nah, they aren't that provincial, are they?
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  • Mom MomMom Mom Member Posts: 169 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    mlincoln:There is a very good logical reason that women have no positions of power or authority here on the GB Board. Our respect for everyone's freedom of speech is contrary to our feminine side, which has an overwhelming desire to eradicate chauvinistic narrow minded bigots from the face of the bullentin board and the world in general. Or at least give 'em a good butt kickin'. This would cause an internal conflict, which in turn would make an extended net hen party mandatory so we could decide just how we were goint to resolve said conflict. Bottom line- you guys wouldn't be able to get a word in edge wise. Hence, women are not allowed to assume official positions of power and authority here. Unofficially, now thats a differant story.
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  • badboybobbadboybob Member Posts: 1,658 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Right on Mom-Mom. We have to hang together. Chauvinism has no place in our fight for our Constituinal rights. (And besides my wife told me to say this!)
    So many guns to buy. So little money.
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  • RembrandtRembrandt Member Posts: 4,486 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    War protestors are basically cowards...the thought of dying for their country is frightening to them. Each time they protest...they mock the sacrifice made by every person lying in a military cemetary. Many brave died so these fools could enjoy a freedom they don't understand, and think had no cost. Every protestor should take a long quite walk through these cemetaries...pausing to read the thousands of names....names of those that never got the chance to enjoy the freedoms they fought for. The spirits of long gone warriors of freedom would weep if they knew how unappreciated their efforts were....by foolish cowards, who let someone else pay the price of freedom.
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  • 44rugerfan44rugerfan Member Posts: 11 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    How can we have been so stupid? We should just call up the local police in Kabul and have them put out and APB on Bin Laden, and have them give us a call when they arrest him. See, problem solved!
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