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PA Gun Owners & Hunters Support Rendell!

gunpaqgunpaq Member Posts: 4,607 ✭✭
edited September 2002 in General Discussion
Yesterday I was in a small diner in Bedford County, PA, and made the mistake of joining a political discussion with a couple of fellows who are pro Rendell for governor. The reason for putting my 2 cents in was because one fellow was wearing a NRA cap and another a camo hunting jacket. I just wanted to point out some items of caution about Rendell's position concerning the rights of free men. That old brick wall started talking: "I vote my union and I vote my party/born democrat", "He'll never pass any new gun laws in PA, ther are too many hunters", "Good jobs are more important than a gun", and "Fisher is just not for the working man". The scary part about our little discussion in that little diner is that I have talked with many gun owners and hunters who feel the same way. Rendell's position on guns is only one of his positions that will affect the rights of free Pennsylvanians, just wait until radical environmental policies are instituted and the PA Gamelands become PA Recreational Lands. Heaven help us.

Pack slow, fall stable, pull high, hit dead center.

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  • salzosalzo Member Posts: 6,396 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Pennsylvania is a screwed up state. Got lots of gun owning NRA members(I believe PA has the second highest number of NRA members), but politically, gun owners in this state are just about worthless. I have heard MANY hunters say they will vote for Rendell.
    Personally, I do not see Fisher being all that much better-but he is probably going to get my vote.
    I really wanted to see Casey get the Democrat nomination-I probably would have voted for him.

    "Sometimes the people have to give up some individual rights for the safety of society."
    -Bill Clinton(MTV interview)
  • VarmintmistVarmintmist Member Posts: 1,074 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Fuddites, I hate Fuddites.

    The only good thing about that is that a majority of the union guys tend to vote intellegently. When you run into the "not for the working man" argument, ask in what way he isn't. Remind them that Filphiadelphia sucks money from the rest of the state like a black hole, and that the school system there has the highest # of schools that went to state control, more of our tax money to Filphy. Every program he wants to institute will cost you more tax money. South central PA has always been a dem stronghold, "cause my daddy wus a democrat". Its not just the union guys, its their mommys and sisters who walk around clueless


    Now Im P.O.ed, s@#t

    If the Fudds could take in any more info than was spoonfed them from their union reps we would not have the chance of a Rendell in office.

    Those people who see nothing but grey areas, no black and white, are lost in the fog.
  • gunpaqgunpaq Member Posts: 4,607 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Just got back from the local gun club where a Rendell sign is now placed at the end of the driveway. I suppose that when the club gets shut down because of lead contamination in the ground from shooting everyone will wonder why. Pennsylvanians will lose their individual freedoms not directly but indirectly from the "feel good" agenda from Rendell: tough environmental policies, use taxes on public facilities (man, my permit to hunt on PA Gamelands cost $100 this year), extra taxes on ammunition, one gun a month, 3 round limit while hunting, gun safety laws (home storage), extension of the Philadelphia region (those darn insurance companies raised their rates again), etc., etc. What does it take to have an intellegent discussion about our future and is there a club big enough to hit people over the head to wake them up from their fairy tale land. Don't get me wrong there are most all good people at the gun club but most don't put a big value on their gun rights. There are very few politicians who are for the working man and fewer yet, if any, have ever been a "working man".

    Pack slow, fall stable, pull high, hit dead center.
  • salzosalzo Member Posts: 6,396 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    OH COME ON GUNPAQ!!! I dont believe you. There cant be no Rendell sign at your gun club.Thats just too much.
    Oh yeah- go to www.huntingpa.com There are a lot of Rendell voting gun owner hunting types on that board.

    "Sometimes the people have to give up some individual rights for the safety of society."
    -Bill Clinton(MTV interview)

    Edited by - salzo on 09/27/2002 13:37:58
  • gunpaqgunpaq Member Posts: 4,607 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    For real. I am going back later today before we leave for the mountains, Mrs. Gunpaq wants to remove it if still there. Six years ago they had a Clinton/Gore sign at the end of the lane but nothing during the 2,000 election. Ironically Clinton targets as well as Bin Ladin targets are very popular with newer members......nothing has been said yet. These guys were strong supporters of the assault weapon and hi-cap ban. One always gets some attention from older members when you show up with a modern military gun or run out a 15 rd pistol mag ("that better not be an automatic"). Nice place to shoot as there are very few "active in the field" members, mostly an old mens' social club.

    Pack slow, fall stable, pull high, hit dead center.
  • farmplinkerfarmplinker Member Posts: 245 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    It's a sad state of affairs. I don't particularly like either candidate, but I'm sure going to vote for Fisher over Rendell. I hope the Fisher TV commercial - that mentions that Rendell's campaign promises add up to $10 billion and he is pretty much admitting that income taxes will have to be raised - knocks some sense into some people in PA. Us poor guys in central PA will likely watch Philadelphia get their way again and have to bend over and take it.

    Most hunters I know are more apathetic than anything, and don't vote at all. But they do have a lackadasical view of gun rights, that's for sure. They figure they will always be able to own their deer rifle and shotgun and don't worry about the other guy who wants to own a handgun or who wants to carry a gun for self defense.

    BTW, what gun club has the nerve to post a Rendell sign at the entrance?
  • gunpaqgunpaq Member Posts: 4,607 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Mrs. Gunpaq and I just got back from the mountains. The Rendell For Gov. sign was already taken down at our gun club by the time we got back there. Sad part about the weekend was that in our 300+ mile round trip we saw only a very few Fisher For Gov. signs and many, many multitudes of Rendell For Gov. I am beginning to think that only a handfull of sportsman/gun owners in PA really care about their gun rights or their rights in general. Governor Spendell of Phillyvania.

    Pack slow, fall stable, pull high, hit dead center.
  • lokdok1lokdok1 Member Posts: 383 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Politically, hunters are are just about worthless.

    If you don't know your rights, you dont't have any!
  • Big Sky RedneckBig Sky Redneck Member Posts: 19,752 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
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  • richbugrichbug Member Posts: 3,650
    edited November -1
    Whoa slow down... I was born and raised in PA. Are thing really getting that bad there. I just bought land to build a house on and move back. Northwestern PA. Land usage taxes? one gun a month? taxes on ammo. I am trying to get out of a liberal h**lhole called Ohio. No CHL, hunt with shot gun only etc. Is PA worse. Please advise, before I make a mistake.

    rich
  • sundownersundowner Member Posts: 1,198 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    richbug, it all depends on what happens in Nov. This nonsense does not currently exist, but PA is primed to be the next CA if Rendell gets in.
  • richbugrichbug Member Posts: 3,650
    edited November -1
    My father was glad to see our current homeland defence A**hole gone as govenor. I can't believe they could find someone worse....

    rich
  • farmplinkerfarmplinker Member Posts: 245 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Well, we have to remember that governors can't do everything they want anymore than a president can. Any new laws will have to go through the legislature, and we can hope they all keep their heads out of their rear-ends when it comes to new gun laws and restrictions.

    PA is still a gun-friendly state, and Rendell is doing his best to keep gun control from becoming an non-issue. On the other hand, I think Fisher does not want it to become an issue, either, as he probably sees what is happening right across the border in MD to Republican Bob Ehrlich. You see, Erlich had the gall to say at a campaign stop that he wants to look at MD gun laws and see which ones are actually doing anything, and if they aren't adding safety to the citizens perhaps they should be repealed as costly and ineffective. My, you should hear the replies that he is "extremist" and out of step with MD citizens and in the lap of the NRA.

    Indicating any pro-gun leanings is just as politically dangerous (maybe moreso) than indicating any anti-gun leanings, so most candidates keep silent on the issue.
  • ndbillyndbilly Member Posts: 1,573 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    The two happiest guys in PA are Mike Fisher, 'cause he's running for governor, and Ed Rendell, 'cause Mike Fisher's running for governor.

    Man, lokdok1 - you nailed it. Two different species it seems. Gun owners vs. hunters.
  • lokdok1lokdok1 Member Posts: 383 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    ndbilly,
    I didn't mean to come off that harsh, I'm a gun owner and I do what I can, politically. What I mean by that is to educate (in my own humble way)those around me that are ignorant to the true meaning of the constitution,or those in danger of being brainwashed by gun grabbers, and,my daughter will let me know if the school teachers have too much to say. I print out articles opposing gun control and pass them out all the time. ( my ink cartriges are $34 a pc.)I don't like being called worthless. I'm not that eloquent soI don't say a whole lot, but when I hear some of these guys brag about the tons of guns they own and are not even members ofr the NRA or GOA, I let them know just how pathetic they are. Nothing ticks me off more than the fat slob that bellies up to the campfire all night and never gets up to get any wood.

    Bartman



    If you don't know your rights, you dont't have any!
  • snake-eyessnake-eyes Member Posts: 869
    edited November -1
    I have to say it, If the Keystone State falls to gun control we are all screwed...No matter what state you live in. It will eventually get to you too.


    *If there is one gun for every 7 people in the world, I'm saving alot of people money*
  • snake-eyessnake-eyes Member Posts: 869
    edited November -1
    My vote is for Krawchuk, Libertarian.

    *If there is one gun for every 7 people in the world, I'm saving alot of people money*
  • ClairClair Member Posts: 679 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    7mm - Is that land on the north side(Union county) or the south side (Snyder county)?
    I live about 10 miles from Jacks Mt.
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