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NATO aircraft covering U.S. homeland

TxsTxs Member Posts: 17,809 ✭✭✭
edited December 2001 in General Discussion
I'm seeing all the news reports that NATO AWACS aircraft are now patrolling U.S. skies in order to free up our own AWACS for offensive use overseas. I haven't seen any reports that say what specific countries these are from. Anyone know their origin?
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  • RosieRosie Member Posts: 14,525 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I don't know but i sure as hell don't want them here. Rosie
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  • metzmetz Member Posts: 121 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    No one else has AWACS do they?? We are NATO and it just may be a differant force.Man I hope we don't have some * treehugger (no offence Dano)"protecting" us.Andy
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  • opentopopentop Member Posts: 143 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    The only other NATO member that operates the Boeing E-3A AWACS that I know of is the French. I believe Japan and Saudi Arabia also own E-3A's but since they're not NATO members, it wouldn't be theirs. I'm pretty sure the reports simply mean that U.S. Air Force E-3A AWACS aircraft that are usually assigned to patrol NATO airspace, are going to be brought to the U.S. to patrol here. Also, I think that NORAD has some that are operated in conjunction with Canada that are considered NATO aircraft, since NATO is the North Atlantic Treaty Organization and encompases all of the US, Canada and the European members.
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  • turboturbo Member Posts: 820 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Ok, so long as that they don't sell the information being gathered. If they are French, I say get rid of them, the ungrateful french people not only haven.t paid back their war debt owed to the US since WWII, but I remember just a few years ago they, wouldn't let us use their airspace to send gifts to the Lybian dictator, Kahdafy, we had to fly our planes way out of the way, to send those invitations.
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  • arkresearcharkresearch Member Posts: 22 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    If that adds to the fact FEMA has built big"Gulags" to hold at least 3 million people istart worring about something else that is goin to happen nov 8 2003 and point my 17inch telescope at a line from ophycus toorion to see whats coming ??? an asteroid?or is it something bigger (NASA Knows). Isthis WAR a distraction in order to createtotal control of the masses ? only thing Icalculated the path at Katun 13 (2043) butthere is quite an error due to gravitationalacceleration (Well i will enjoy the show inmy lifetime after all). If somewere before 11/8/2003 this goespublic and confirmed ,well ,time to take"contorsionist" lessons so when it comes we can kiss our butts good by ! (Hope NOT! )
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  • Andrew AdamsAndrew Adams Member Posts: 227 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Arkresearch,You are a genuine nut case!!As for the thread topic, the AWACS mobile command aircraft are supposedly of German origin. Supposedly, they are normally based in Germany as part of NATO and are now patrolling the East Coast as part of operation Vigilant Eagle (?).However, the AWACS is of course an American designed and built aircraft. I do not think it has been reported whether the crew is American or American trained Germans.
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  • will270winwill270win Member Posts: 4,845
    edited November -1
    ARKRESEARCH, Dude chill out please! You are a bit freaky by anyones standards!
    If you run, you'll just die tired!
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  • arkresearcharkresearch Member Posts: 22 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    http://www.surfingtheapocalypse.com/sitchin.html Feel free to do your own R&D The more peopledo the more it can be found...
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  • ranahanranahan Member Posts: 38 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Arkreasearch is right. The railroad car repair sheds in Ohio have been bricked up and hermetically sealed, with 6" gas pipes (in) and huge ventilators on the roof. Then sorounded by 12' chainlink and razor wire (pointing in). The doors still open and will now close, sealed. Tracks still in place. They hold ten large rail cars at a time. After this $6million of modifications were finished everyone was laid off and guards installed. It sits. Waiting. Members of a certain research org. have seen the envoice from FEMA for 1000 tripple deck livestock cars (designed for hauling sheep)each one fitted with 200 (don't remember exact #/ car) sets of double shackles. They are now in production in the state of Washington. The same researchers have traced the money from the 911 WTC wrag heads back to the CIA (circuitiously). Think People. Who benefits? Those who want the New World Order. To do it they need a world army. They need the people to demand to be protected. Who just commended the CIA for all their good work and fired NOONE for the intelegence failure of 911? Who ran the CIA and still has very good contacts in the Gov't. NASA DOES know about the star that's comming. It was spotted and ploted several (10?) years ago. It is due in 2012. That's why they're hurrying up on the space station. We've talked with the guy who's designing the interior. It's supposed to hold 3000 people for up to three years and he doesn't think they plan on returning. This star passes through our solar system every 33,000 years. one of it's planets is inhabited. It is refered to in Genises, Danial, Joel (gotta recheck Joel), and Revalation. It's name in the Bible (3 times) is "Wormwood". Jesus refers to it's effects in Mathew. It is also refered to in "Granit Starship"by Paul Coulbeck, University of Toronto Press. That book is an account of a Canadian man's incounter with aliens and their imparting of knowledge and technology to him in 1975. (see www.granitstarship.com). Those aliens refered to the star as "Dark Star" as it is a red dwarf. According to them, it will first cause global warming and the melting of the poles. Those people (the aliens) also had a lot to say about the world leaders on this planet and their plans and objectives. They also imparted a lot of information about human past history. Take it or leave it as you like, but when I begin to get the same information from many unrelated sources over a period of time,(or all at once) I have to give credence.ranahanAll truth goes through three stages. First it is ridiculed. Then it is violently opposed. Finally, it is accepted as self-evident. - Arthur SchopenhauerThen it is questioned until a new "truth" emerges. - ranahan[This message has been edited by ranahan (edited 10-10-2001).][This message has been edited by ranahan (edited 10-10-2001).]
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  • bartobarto Member Posts: 4,734 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    my good god!!now i know they are coming out of the woodwork!
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  • concealedG36concealedG36 Member Posts: 3,566 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Whatever...Give me a break.
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  • Andrew AdamsAndrew Adams Member Posts: 227 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    What gives the lie to that whole diatribe is one passage of scripture!No man knoweth the time or the hour!Wormwood is referred in the Book of Revelation as one of the seven seals of the Tribulation.To say that Wormwood is coming in 2003, 2012, 2026 (these apalyptic types can't agree on the date) is to date the return of Christ, and is therefore scriptually not possible.Since these people often rely on scripture for all of their terms etc. I wish they would read the whole thing and realize that they are full of crapola.If you don't believe me, check out the link that Arkresearch put up, it was written by some mental midget who spent too much of his youth watching Star Trek and is hoping Capt. Kirk will come to the rescue.
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  • alledanalledan Member Posts: 19,541
    edited November -1
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  • thesupermonkeythesupermonkey Member Posts: 3,905 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I thought the coming of Christ was supposed to be marked by the conclusion of the Gentile Times(1914)...
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  • Diesel DummyDiesel Dummy Member Posts: 193 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Arkresearch - I have found that a tin foil hat liner will stop the radio signals recieved by the brain. Also tin foil boxer shorts will block the homing signal sent out by the chip in your butt that was implanted at birth.
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  • Bubba JoelBubba Joel Member Posts: 5,161
    edited November -1
    OK, now you've done it....Got me so scared, I've started drinking...,and this early too...LOL Here I set with my trusty 22cal. in one hand and my 25 double barrel derringer in the other.......Pass the ammo. Ma......
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  • XracerXracer Member Posts: 1,990 ✭
    edited November -1
    Geez......who kicked over a rock?Everybody put on your tinfoil hats and lead BVDs.
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  • steve45steve45 Member Posts: 2,940 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Remember the good old days when these guys just carried a sign saying THE WORLD WILL END ON THURSDAY! Modern technology gives everybody a soapbox.
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  • turboturbo Member Posts: 820 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Full moon?.... Whatever.
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  • beachmaster73beachmaster73 Member Posts: 3,011 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    On the day before the red dwarf's impact we will all point our weapons tangently to the trajectory of the "death star"; we will fire in constant volleys to attempt to alter the orbit of the earth. If we fail we will then bend over and kiss our a**es goodbye....Of course until then I'm just going to keep on shooting and enjoying life. Whether I go out in a cosmic fireball or drooling wearing my DEPENS in a nursing home is really immaterial as long as make the most of what I have now. I really think that diesel dummy has this one right!!! Beach
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  • Shootist3006Shootist3006 Member Posts: 4,171
    edited November -1
    I'm gonna have to rethink this whole 2nd amendment thing. The thought of some of the posters here having access to firearms is VERY SCARY!!
    Quod principi placuit legis habet vigorem.Semper Fidelis
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  • opentopopentop Member Posts: 143 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    The AWACS E-3As in question are indeed coming from German NATO bases, I've heard today. But, those aircraft are operated for NATO by U.S.A.F. aircrews, so there should be no problem at all. By the way, I hate like hell how the media has characterized them as "spy planes". The Boeing E-3A AWACS is no more a spy plane than is a KC-135 (USAF's airborne refueling tanker version of the Boeing 707). They are exactly what AWACS stands for, Airborne Warning And Control System. Basically it has a big radar on top that can contiuously scan and track all air vehicles in a large airspace and provide consistant, coherent guidance to alert and in flight fighters, etc. Like an air mobile air traffic control system. They do not spy.
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  • opentopopentop Member Posts: 143 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    http://navigation.helper.realnames.com/framer/1/112/default.asp?realname=Boeing&url=http://www.boeing.com&frameid=1&providerid=112&uid=30193966
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  • Andrew AdamsAndrew Adams Member Posts: 227 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Opentop,Hatred of the media will kill you. Just remember that most of them are extraordinarily dumb people who got a college degree in one of the easiest possible majors (mass communications). Combine that with photogenicity (read, news babe), and you have the makings of the average television reporter.I'll admit that one or two of them have some significant gray matter, but most of them are so dumb it is a wonder they can read the teleprompter.The best way to deal with the media is to ignore them, use them to find out what is going on (at least what they want you to know) and ignore the editorializing implicit in every statement they make.It was a sad for America when the news was replaced by an Op-Ed Page.
    When you want to dial long distance...AT&T, .223, or Jeremiah 33.3?
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  • opentopopentop Member Posts: 143 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Andrew Adams - Amen brother!
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  • rodgergliderodgerglide Member Posts: 184 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Hey gentlemen and ladies,I tried to go to a Paranoids Anonymous meeting because of these WEIRD posts,but no one would tell me where it was.Anyone knowing please tell me before I miss the last star-ship...OK?
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  • alledanalledan Member Posts: 19,541
    edited November -1
    The only objection to the AWAC's is the fact I find them an infringement on Americas soverienty in the form of air space violations.However, I find the U.N. a more intrusive entity that should not be here.
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  • opentopopentop Member Posts: 143 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    alledan - again though, since these "NATO" AWACS aircraft are actually United States Air Force operated, Boeing E-3A aircraft, I don't see it as an intrusion into U.S. airspace by aircraft of any foreign power or entity. NATO does not operate any aircraft as an entity in itself. All NATO aircraft are aircraft contributed to that alliance's cause by member nations air forces, including the United States. While there may be some NATO member nation's military personnel on board a U.S. Air Force E-3A AWACS as exchange officers, etc., they are in fact United States owned and operated airplanes. On a separate issue, however, we already permit, under the "Open Skies" treaty first proposed by Eisenhower and finally signed and put into action during the first Bush administration, unarmed aircraft of the Russian Air Force to overfly the U.S. to monitor our compliance with arms control provisions of the ABM, SALT I, SALT II, START I and START II arms control treaties that we signed with the former Soviet Union and which are still in effect with Russia. We are also permitted to overfly Russia with unarmed survelance aircraft (U.S. Air Force EC-135s I believe) to do the same kind of monitoring of their compliance. Such flights are scheduled in advance and I believe occur about every 90 days or so. Whether they are continuing during this period of added air space security, I do not know. http://www.state.gov/www/global/arms/treaties/openski1.html
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  • TxsTxs Member Posts: 17,809 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I found the answer to my own question. There are 196 crew members for the 5 AWACS aircraft that are being deployed from Germany. 74 of these are Americans, but 11 other countries are also contributing personnel. There are 55 from Germany, 22 from Canada, 11 each from Belgium and Italy, 5 each from Norway and Turkey.
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  • usmc2498215usmc2498215 Member Posts: 82 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Boy, some of you guys need to go to Disneyland......
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  • turboturbo Member Posts: 820 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Hey,I've doing a little re search, on arkresearch, heres an old post he answered back when he was still with us.Check out the web site, he gives here, no wonder he has trouble making himself understood.I'll post something tomorrow. [This message has been edited by turbo (edited 12-30-2001).]
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  • 7mm_ultra_mag_is_king7mm_ultra_mag_is_king Member Posts: 676 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    That answered the question I had on wills postThat guy needs help, and you think that may be...............................?
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  • LowriderLowrider Member Posts: 6,587
    edited November -1
    It all makes perfect sense to me.The photograph of the dude on that website? Was that Sipiwicz from NYPD Blue? HAHAHAHAHA
    Lord Lowrider the LoquaciousMember:Secret Select Society of Suave Stylish Smoking Jackets She was only a fisherman's daughter,But when she saw my rod she reeled.
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  • 7mm_ultra_mag_is_king7mm_ultra_mag_is_king Member Posts: 676 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Ok I did it. I went to that web site and all I can say is I hope to god none of those wierdo's who write/believe that crap are not in power of this country and if they are,, we are all in trouble. Will270,, yep I see what you are talking about. He is definatly about 5 beers short of a six pack.
    when all else fails........................
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  • will270winwill270win Member Posts: 4,845
    edited November -1
    Told ya! Total freakshow!
    Eat healthy, exercise, avoid smoking........Die anyway. will270win@aol.com ~Secret Select Society Of Suave Stylish Smoking Jackets~
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  • usmc2498215usmc2498215 Member Posts: 82 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Well when the next world war comes, and there are millions dead, and being killed in Ohio in your rail cars, I figure the winners will leave Southern California alone, and why? Hey, every good army needs a place for R&R (rest & relaxation), and we have the best beaches in the nation. And me; I'll be on the beach renting surfboards & beach chairs to them. Suns out, surfs up, and winds are out of the west.....lets go shred some waves
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  • Judge DreadJudge Dread Member Posts: 2,372 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    http://www.cyberspaceorbit.com/ I think the word UNDERESTIMATE may have a good meaning for this one..........We may have to take the "lessons" after all. kiss! kisss! Kisssssss! aerobics....???
    Ignis Natura Renovatur Integram
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  • WEASEL-88WEASEL-88 Member Posts: 998 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    THE ONLY STAR WE WORRY ABOUT HERE IN KENTUCKY IS THE ONES YOU SEE AFTER BEING HIT UPSIDE THE HEAD WITH A LONG NECK, LOOKS LIKE SOME OF THESE GUYS NEED A COLD ONE!
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