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9/11? Blame the Militia!
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9/11? Blame the Militia!
by Carl F. Worden
Ladies & gentlemen:
"The Clinton administration "de-emphasized" fighting Arab international terrorism to focus on domestic terrorism - namely, white "right-wing" militia groups - which led to the FBI ignoring Arab nationals flocking to U.S. flight schools, veteran FBI agents told WorldNetDaily."
Yessiree, you read that correctly. WorldNetDaily published that article by reporter Paul Sperry today, July 25, 2002.
What that article didn't mention is that to date, not a single act of terror has ever been carried out by a person known to be a member of a citizens' militia group. There are still people out there who are so badly misinformed that they still believe Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols were militia members. They weren't: They were tied to a racist and anti-Semitic group located in "Elohim City", a group which preached hatred for Jews and people of color, while claiming a relationship with Christ through a bizarre and utterly false belief system known as "Christian Identity". Put simply, they were cult members, and had no ties to any citizens' militia group whatsoever.
Without question, there have been numerous arrests of known militia members nationwide for hording illegal weapons and explosives, and for conspiracy to use them, but no acts of terror were ever carried out. The FBI always hailed those arrests as being "just in time" to stop something terrible from happening. It was horse manure, all of it.
In every case, those arrests were made after agents of the FBI and BATF infiltrated and entrapped not-so-bright militia members and offered to sell them illegal weapons and explosives. If the idiot militia member happened to voice his wishful thinking about the use of those illegal weapons and explosives, the federal prosecutor threw in a charge of conspiracy. That's how the whole thing went down, and because the entire American jury pool had been so bludgeoned by negative media portrayal of the Militia Movement in general, getting convictions of anyone associated with the term "militia" were a given.
Just to demonstrate the difference between true terrorists and the those who make up the American Militia Movement, we need look no further than the Irish Republican Army and its efforts to free Ireland from British rule. You will recall that there were numerous bombings, assassinations and other acts of terror carried out by the IRA, followed by a few arrests of IRA members here and there when the cops got lucky. Here, we saw exactly the opposite: No militia acts of terror were ever carried out, but there were numerous arrests of militia members for possession and conspiracy. If you have a discerning eye, that tells you everything.
Where the American Militia Movement is concerned, history will eventually prove that the true terrorists were the federal agents of the FBI and BATF, who conspired to criminalize and arrest any American militia members they could entrap. According to our Constitution, we Americans have the right to peaceably assemble, voice our gripes and to keep and bear arms. Too bad the Founding Fathers didn't prohibit citizen criminal entrapment by a federal government police force, but then you must remember: The Founding Fathers never intended for the federal government to have a police force in the first place.
Much of the blame for this FBI misplacement of resources lies directly at the feet of the Southern Poverty Law Center, headed up by consummate con man Morris Dees. Dees saw the American Militia Movement as an opportunity to make a bundle through the public dissemination of unwarranted fear, and indeed he did. Last time I checked, the SPLC had a war chest estimated to exceed $100,000,000.00 and growing.
Dees did this by falsely claiming to have many informants placed within the American Militia Movement, and he released numerous reports through a willing media that portrayed the citizens in the militias as racists, anti-Semitic, anti-government, ignorant, violence-prone and a foreboding and imminent threat to the American way of life. The bucks just poured into the Southern Poverty Law Center's coffers from an understandably alarmed and trusting public, but the threat was never really there at all, and I hope I live to see the day when Morris Dees is finally unmasked as the pathological liar he is.
Not only did Dees con the public; he also conned then President Clinton, who responded by immediately diverting valuable FBI and BATF assets to the front of a domestic war that really didn't exist. Dees also knew the citizens making up the American Militia would be denied the same public media voice to defend themselves. No respectable news outlet would allow a bunch rabid, anti-Semitic racists to soil their print and airwaves, so the truth about the American Militia Movement remains perverted in the minds of most Americans to this day.
When I look back on it, it was a brilliant plan to make millions for Dees, even if a few good American's lives were ruined, but hey; the road to Hell is paved with good intentions, isn't it?
So now you know the rest of the story.
http://www.jpfo.org/unpopularsp-worden-blame.htm
"If cowardly and dishonorable men sometimes shoot unarmed men with army pistols or guns, the evil must be prevented by the penitentiary and gallows, and not by a general deprivation of a constitutional privilege." - Arkansas Supreme Court, 1878
by Carl F. Worden
Ladies & gentlemen:
"The Clinton administration "de-emphasized" fighting Arab international terrorism to focus on domestic terrorism - namely, white "right-wing" militia groups - which led to the FBI ignoring Arab nationals flocking to U.S. flight schools, veteran FBI agents told WorldNetDaily."
Yessiree, you read that correctly. WorldNetDaily published that article by reporter Paul Sperry today, July 25, 2002.
What that article didn't mention is that to date, not a single act of terror has ever been carried out by a person known to be a member of a citizens' militia group. There are still people out there who are so badly misinformed that they still believe Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols were militia members. They weren't: They were tied to a racist and anti-Semitic group located in "Elohim City", a group which preached hatred for Jews and people of color, while claiming a relationship with Christ through a bizarre and utterly false belief system known as "Christian Identity". Put simply, they were cult members, and had no ties to any citizens' militia group whatsoever.
Without question, there have been numerous arrests of known militia members nationwide for hording illegal weapons and explosives, and for conspiracy to use them, but no acts of terror were ever carried out. The FBI always hailed those arrests as being "just in time" to stop something terrible from happening. It was horse manure, all of it.
In every case, those arrests were made after agents of the FBI and BATF infiltrated and entrapped not-so-bright militia members and offered to sell them illegal weapons and explosives. If the idiot militia member happened to voice his wishful thinking about the use of those illegal weapons and explosives, the federal prosecutor threw in a charge of conspiracy. That's how the whole thing went down, and because the entire American jury pool had been so bludgeoned by negative media portrayal of the Militia Movement in general, getting convictions of anyone associated with the term "militia" were a given.
Just to demonstrate the difference between true terrorists and the those who make up the American Militia Movement, we need look no further than the Irish Republican Army and its efforts to free Ireland from British rule. You will recall that there were numerous bombings, assassinations and other acts of terror carried out by the IRA, followed by a few arrests of IRA members here and there when the cops got lucky. Here, we saw exactly the opposite: No militia acts of terror were ever carried out, but there were numerous arrests of militia members for possession and conspiracy. If you have a discerning eye, that tells you everything.
Where the American Militia Movement is concerned, history will eventually prove that the true terrorists were the federal agents of the FBI and BATF, who conspired to criminalize and arrest any American militia members they could entrap. According to our Constitution, we Americans have the right to peaceably assemble, voice our gripes and to keep and bear arms. Too bad the Founding Fathers didn't prohibit citizen criminal entrapment by a federal government police force, but then you must remember: The Founding Fathers never intended for the federal government to have a police force in the first place.
Much of the blame for this FBI misplacement of resources lies directly at the feet of the Southern Poverty Law Center, headed up by consummate con man Morris Dees. Dees saw the American Militia Movement as an opportunity to make a bundle through the public dissemination of unwarranted fear, and indeed he did. Last time I checked, the SPLC had a war chest estimated to exceed $100,000,000.00 and growing.
Dees did this by falsely claiming to have many informants placed within the American Militia Movement, and he released numerous reports through a willing media that portrayed the citizens in the militias as racists, anti-Semitic, anti-government, ignorant, violence-prone and a foreboding and imminent threat to the American way of life. The bucks just poured into the Southern Poverty Law Center's coffers from an understandably alarmed and trusting public, but the threat was never really there at all, and I hope I live to see the day when Morris Dees is finally unmasked as the pathological liar he is.
Not only did Dees con the public; he also conned then President Clinton, who responded by immediately diverting valuable FBI and BATF assets to the front of a domestic war that really didn't exist. Dees also knew the citizens making up the American Militia would be denied the same public media voice to defend themselves. No respectable news outlet would allow a bunch rabid, anti-Semitic racists to soil their print and airwaves, so the truth about the American Militia Movement remains perverted in the minds of most Americans to this day.
When I look back on it, it was a brilliant plan to make millions for Dees, even if a few good American's lives were ruined, but hey; the road to Hell is paved with good intentions, isn't it?
So now you know the rest of the story.
http://www.jpfo.org/unpopularsp-worden-blame.htm
"If cowardly and dishonorable men sometimes shoot unarmed men with army pistols or guns, the evil must be prevented by the penitentiary and gallows, and not by a general deprivation of a constitutional privilege." - Arkansas Supreme Court, 1878
Comments
I gotta ask. In all seriousness, what do you have against the militia?
Are you just having fun on the Net or do you actually have a reason for acting the way you do?
Stand And Be Counted
Thanks for making it quite clear that you're nothing more than a raving idiot.
So much for an intelligent debate on the issue.
Stand And Be Counted
Lord Lowrider the LoquaciousMember:Secret Select Society of Suave Stylish Smoking Jackets She was only a fisherman's daughter,But when she saw my rod she reeled.
Of the militia movement? Here's an exercpt from my unit's website:
Militias are citizen-soldiers that are ready to serve their country if and when all other channels are closed. During times of peace, we are lobbyists working to ensure that the very freedoms that make this country great are not distorted or diluted. During times of war or tyranny, we are the final system of checks and balances, working to guarantee freedom for the oppressed.
From the inception of this great country until the present day, militias have been here fighting against tyranny, corruption in government, all forms of extreme liberalism and all those who threaten our God-given liberties and freedoms.
I'd think that's clear enough. However, here's the original Supreme Court stance on the issue:
"Who are the militia? The militia is the natural defense of a free country against foreign invasions, domestic insurrections, and domestic usurpation's of power by rulers. The right of citizens to keep and bear arms has justly been considered as the palladium of liberties of the republic, since it offers a strong moral check against the usurpation and arbitrary power of rulers, and will generally, even if these are successful in the first instance, enable the people to resist and triumph over them." -- U.S. Supreme Court Justice Joseph Story, Commentaries on the Constitution of the U.S. (1833)
"Who you really going to save??? Self??"
Anyone who needs our help. Our immediate families will be the first to be taken care of in an emergency, but after our own have been squared away, we'll be willing to assist those who had not properly prepared for whatever event occurs.
"What will be you real mission???"
"Real" mission? As opposed to the fake one? It depends on the situation. Your question is too broad. Give me an event and I'll dissect it for you.
"Do you have a new set of laws drawn up???"
For what? The Constitution is good enough for me. Although, given the chance to change something, I'd change to wording of the 2nd Amendment to:
"A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. Anyone who questions this right in a Legislative body may be shot without consequences."
"Who will be the leader???"
I don't have a crystal ball. Whoever the people elect works for me.
"Will the power be turned back on???"
Will it be turned off? You're not making a lick of sense.
"Do you have water for all???"
I'd imagine there will be enough water. Again: What on Earth are you talking about? Either I haven't had enough coffee this morning or your ball cap is on too tight.
"Explain your tactic`s???"
Again, give me a scenario.
"Will you take from others???"
I'll be happy to liberate items from the fallen enemy, but I won't be taking from Joe down the road, if that's what you're asking. The militia aren't warlords. See the definition above.
"Shoot looters???"
All day long. Twice on Sunday.
"I`m ready, tell me....educate me. I ain`t no city boy, so don`t pull my tripod leg. Raised in the woods, life long. Scare me. LTS"
I'd love nothing more than to at least make you see my point of view, regardless of whether you agree or not.
Be more specific and I'll be happy to answer anything you throw my way.
Stand And Be Counted
(Edited For Idiocy)
Edited by - Evil ATF on 07/28/2002 16:57:37
The militia has never, to the best of my knowledge, been "called up" or used by the Federal government, unless you count the original Homeland Security teams developed during WWII. However, that was done on a state by state basis, so I prefer not to count it.
Various states have used and continue to use their state militia for various events including things such as Search and Rescue and security at county and state gatherings.
The state of Kentucky and the state of Texas actually fund their local independant militias.
However, I view that as a conflict of interest and would never accept funds from my state or government for our training needs. We're not under the control of either the state or Federal governments, so why pigeon hole yourself by accepting funds from them?
Next!
Stand And Be Counted
When you take into consideration the length of time that this nation has existed and compare it to the length of time that other nations have existed, the time that has elapsed since the Civil and Revolutionary Wars is comparable to the time it takes to blink your eyes twice. To imagine that the United States of America will remain a representative democracy for all of eternity (or until human beings undo themselves) is not only arrogant but ignorant as well.
When I was in high school I went to the grocery store to run some errands for my family. There was a woman wandering the aisles telling what I thought at the time were tall tales of how the U.N. wanted to rid the world of the right of the common man to own firearms. Time has proven her prophesies correct.
I think that what LTS is saying is that the basis for militias is good and sound, but there are the vehement, vociferous, abnoxious, unintelligent that are tied to militias that give them a very terrible name. So much so, that it's better for each of us to be ready on our own terms and in the end we may band together on common principles.
The FBI made a BO!BO! by making this public,who can stop this guys if they still have full acces to the white house? ...and even BUSH may be one of them (Numero UNO ) the big boss in mario bro's game.
JD
400 million cows can't be wrong ( EAT GRASS !!! )
[teal]EVIL,
Edited by - 96harley on 07/29/2002 00:07:06
EVIL,
there are the vehement, vociferous, abnoxious, unintelligent
Sounds like you're talking about some of our elected officials.
You know anybody on this forum is a target. Like I've said before, big bro is watching.
I think that what LTS is saying is that the basis for militias is good and sound, but there are the vehement, vociferous, abnoxious, unintelligent that are tied to militias that give them a very terrible name."
That's just more meaningless and unproven rhetoric.
While I agree with the premise of what you are saying, you're making a broad generalization that quite obviously is not based on fact. I can back up everything I say with fact, or I don't say it at all. If more people lived by those rules, we'd have a much cleaner society.
As far as LTS and his gripes, he has yet to say a sinlge damn thing "good" about the militia. We're just "targets of opportunity".
I suppose that means we should just sit back on our laurels like the rest of the gun culture while our rights are stripped away over time by apathetic sheep at the polls voting away their Liberty for the "promise" of temporary safety.
If being proactive makes me a target, and it certainly has, then so be it.
Stand And Be Counted
Well, at least you know enough to state that McVeigh had nothing to do with the militia.
As to saying we had a bad name before Waco...please elaborate. Can you cite specific examples of your claims?
In regards to your comments regarding my "needing the limelight", that's just plain not true, at least not in the sense you're describing. I'm not looking to have my ego inflated. I'm looking to bring some common sense back into society as a whole.
I stand by my original explination:
"I suppose that means we should just sit back on our laurels like the rest of the gun culture while our rights are stripped away over time by apathetic sheep at the polls voting away their Liberty for the "promise" of temporary safety."
Stand And Be Counted
Hehehehehehehe!
"They" do the most for the cause, eh? "They" seem to be failing miserably.
Perhaps a new approach to the problem is in order?
Stand And Be Counted
There wasn't much of a need for us until they began butchering women and children.
For the record, various militia units were present at the Ruby Ridge incident. Had they not been there, nobody would have walked out alive.
Too bad the responding units didn't get there in time to stop the Feds from giving the green light to good 'ole Lon.
You keep bringing up the tin foil, black helicopter, people following me home routine...
Are you prepared to debate the issue with fact, or are you going to continue wasting bandwidth with your childish insults and misdirection?
Stay on the topic at hand or stop wasting my time.
Stand And Be Counted
Lord Lowrider the LoquaciousMember:Secret Select Society of Suave Stylish Smoking Jackets She was only a fisherman's daughter,But when she saw my rod she reeled.
I figured that since you had taken every opportunity to swat me thus far that you were simply being sarcastic again.
Let's turn that around though:
Since I'm not doing anything illegal, simply pushing for reform in our country, doesn't it bother you (pretend it's Joe on the street and not Evil) that a citizen of this country is being treated so simply for speaking the truth?
Seems there's something seriously wrong with "the greatest country on Earth". I believe we can agree on that much. We're just in disagreement on the process to get thing solved.
The fact that I belong to the militia doesn't, to me at least, define who or what I am. It's a means to an end. The only reason we're even having this discussion is because you view, or at least seem to view, all militia units as crackpots. What I'd like is for you to cite some specific instances of "crackpot militias".
I can save you some time and tell you right now that I'm fully prepared and capable of knocking down any examples you bring up, but it might be good for both of us for you to try anyways.
Regardless, I just want what is best for the people of this country. I'm relatively certain that you and I would have the same picture of our "Ideal America", so again, we're just debating the process of getting there.
Do you have a better solution? No sarcasm: I'm all for it.
Stand And Be Counted
I'll mull it over and either cut my losses by dropping the FFL or I will install a CCTV system in the home.
Be back later tonight.
Stand And Be Counted