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U.S. war with Iran

legearlegear Member Posts: 6,716
edited January 2012 in General Discussion
Irans been caught giving arms/aide to Syria to help squash their unrest. According to Fox news today.

Its almost every week or day now theres a story in the news about a problem with Iran doing something.

Im thinking its the war drums starting.

War with Iran within the next 10 months? What do you think?
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  • TooBigTooBig Member Posts: 28,559 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    obama needs a war to survive the elections in 2012[V][xx(][:(]
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  • scottm21166scottm21166 Member Posts: 20,723
    edited November -1
    he thought ending the wars would assure his reelection. Turns out most Americans aren't ready to pass up a chance to blow up IRAN we are only sick of the useless war in Afghanistan.
    How in the world did we go from helping the Taliban kick the Russians out to having our own occupation in this death trap?
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  • we_dig_itwe_dig_it Member Posts: 6,614 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Russia is on record saying if we start a war with Iran we will have to fight them too.
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  • NavybatNavybat Member Posts: 6,849 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Not a chance. We don't have the moxie to go after Iran alone. We'd need a serious coalition: Britain, Australia, maybe Saudi Arabia and Iraq for basing, and certainly HEAVY air support from Israel. AND we'd need serious lift.

    Unless we just wanted a naval war, from the sea and air, with no boots on the ground. But that wouldn't be a true "war", more like a campaign with VERY limited objectives. Certainly not regime change.

    And without regime change, why bother? It will certainly cost a lot of lives.

    And then we'd have to worry about Syria...not to mention every Islamic Terrorist with a passport would flock to the area.
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  • skicatskicat Member Posts: 14,431 ✭
    edited November -1
    How inconvenient for all of you that there is no provision in our Constitution for engineering regime change. Oh I forgot, the Rule of Law has little appeal around here.
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  • SoreShoulderSoreShoulder Member Posts: 3,148 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by scottm21166
    he thought ending the wars would assure his reelection. Turns out most Americans aren't ready to pass up a chance to blow up IRAN we are only sick of the useless war in Afghanistan.
    How in the world did we go from helping the Taliban kick the Russians out to having our own occupation in this death trap?
    The Taliban didn't kick the Russians out, though some of the personnel we trained went on to join them.

    The Taliban was a popular movement that took the country from the drug lords in the mid 1990s. They were a reaction to lawlessness. It's a shame they had to become state sponsors of terrorism as well as pretty oppressive leaders of their own people.
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  • 1880texan1880texan Member Posts: 978 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Ever notice that when TPTB are getting ready to make a move on some big bad boogyman that the media starts the propaganda BS so the masses (who never check out whether the propaganda is thruthful or not) will get the mindset that the big bad boogyman must be spanked by Uncle Sam. A good example was the Davidians in Waco. The new boogyman for this year will be Iran. An incident will be arranged for the war to begin.
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  • JnRockwallJnRockwall Member Posts: 16,350 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    a war with iran should be naval and and air only. No boots on ground, just cruise missles bombs and torpedos. and we should torpedo first, without warning.

    Then cruise missle every single govt building, the nuke plant and the hostess factory.
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  • KEVD18KEVD18 Member Posts: 15,037
    edited November -1
    If we go to war with Iran, it will be the end of America. We simply can't afford it. Starting another war, especially if it gets to be big. We're screwed.
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  • Rack OpsRack Ops Member Posts: 18,596 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by JnRockwall
    a war with iran should be naval and and air only. No boots on ground, just cruise missles bombs and torpedos. and we should torpedo first, without warning.


    "Wars begin when you will, but they do not end when you please"

    -Niccolo Machiavelli
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  • Horney toadHorney toad Member Posts: 1,769 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Why not, We didn't win a thing in Iraq or Afghanistan and borrowed trillions off of China. Let's go for another unwinnable war. Should jack the price of gas up to 7 or 8 bucks a gallon. [}:)]
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  • Night StalkerNight Stalker Member Posts: 11,967
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by skicat
    How inconvenient for all of you that there is no provision in our Constitution for engineering regime change. Oh I forgot, the Rule of Law has little appeal around here.
    The AUMF already covers that...

    Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Terrorists
    From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Not to be confused with Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002.

    The Authorization for Use of Military Force [1] is a joint resolution passed by the United States Congress on September 14, 2001, authorizing the use of United States Armed Forces against those responsible for the attacks on September 11, 2001. The authorization granted the President the authority to use all "necessary and appropriate force" against those whom he determined "planned, authorized, committed or aided" the September 11th attacks, or who harbored said persons or groups. The AUMF was signed by President George W. Bush on September 18, 2001.

    The AUMF was unsuccessfully cited by the George W. Bush administration in Hamdan v. Rumsfeld, in which the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that the administration's military commissions at Guantanamo Bay were not competent tribunals as constituted and thus illegal.

    The AUMF has also been cited by the administration as authority for engaging in electronic surveillance in ACLU v. NSA without obtaining a warrant of the special Court as required by the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) of 1978.

    Seems we are well on our way, ey friend?

    NS
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  • Night StalkerNight Stalker Member Posts: 11,967
    edited November -1
    Does this clarify it any for you?

    http://rt.com/usa/news/obama-detention-defense-levin-635/

    As they say, from the mouths of babes... or such.

    NS
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  • MossbergboogieMossbergboogie Member Posts: 12,211
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Night Stalker
    quote:Originally posted by skicat
    How inconvenient for all of you that there is no provision in our Constitution for engineering regime change. Oh I forgot, the Rule of Law has little appeal around here.
    The AUMF already covers that...

    Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Terrorists
    From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Not to be confused with Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002.

    The Authorization for Use of Military Force [1] is a joint resolution passed by the United States Congress on September 14, 2001, authorizing the use of United States Armed Forces against those responsible for the attacks on September 11, 2001. The authorization granted the President the authority to use all "necessary and appropriate force" against those whom he determined "planned, authorized, committed or aided" the September 11th attacks, or who harbored said persons or groups. The AUMF was signed by President George W. Bush on September 18, 2001.

    The AUMF was unsuccessfully cited by the George W. Bush administration in Hamdan v. Rumsfeld, in which the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that the administration's military commissions at Guantanamo Bay were not competent tribunals as constituted and thus illegal.

    The AUMF has also been cited by the administration as authority for engaging in electronic surveillance in ACLU v. NSA without obtaining a warrant of the special Court as required by the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) of 1978.

    Seems we are well on our way, ey friend?

    NS


    Many here if posted in the correct forum would take issue with the above being constitutional.

    A dude that uses rt.com links should know that.
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  • scottm21166scottm21166 Member Posts: 20,723
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Night Stalker
    Does this clarify it any for you?

    http://rt.com/usa/news/obama-detention-defense-levin-635/

    As they say, from the mouths of babes... or such.

    NS



    Romney agrees with that provision.
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  • Night StalkerNight Stalker Member Posts: 11,967
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by scottm21166
    quote:Originally posted by Night Stalker
    Does this clarify it any for you?

    http://rt.com/usa/news/obama-detention-defense-levin-635/

    As they say, from the mouths of babes... or such.

    NS

    Romney agrees with that provision.
    And? What do you think about it?

    NS
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  • skicatskicat Member Posts: 14,431 ✭
    edited November -1
    NS...You have read enough of my posts to know I am one of the people that Mossbergboogie is referring to. The fact that Bush and Obama are in lock step so often seems to be too subtle a clue for most Americans and the doublespeak/doublethink so casually employed, as pointed out in the RT vid, is sadly now so common place it is deemed insignificant by the boob tube educated majority.
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  • Waco WaltzWaco Waltz Member Posts: 10,836 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    The USA and Canada have signed agreements to supress rioters across borders. What's the difference?

    quote:Originally posted by legear
    Irans been caught giving arms/aide to Syria to help squash their unrest. According to Fox news today.

    Its almost every week or day now theres a story in the news about a problem with Iran doing something.

    Im thinking its the war drums starting.

    War with Iran within the next 10 months? What do you think?
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  • Night StalkerNight Stalker Member Posts: 11,967
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Waco Waltz
    The USA and Canada have signed agreements to supress rioters across borders. What's the difference?

    quote:Originally posted by legear
    Irans been caught giving arms/aide to Syria to help squash their unrest. According to Fox news today.

    Its almost every week or day now theres a story in the news about a problem with Iran doing something.

    Im thinking its the war drums starting.

    War with Iran within the next 10 months? What do you think?

    And your thoughts on this are what, Waco?

    NS
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  • rcrxmike_2rcrxmike_2 Member Posts: 3,275
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by dennisnielsen
    quote:Originally posted by we_dig_it
    Russia is on record saying if we start a war with Iran we will have to fight them too.


    Thats Biblical


    Just a little....
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  • Waco WaltzWaco Waltz Member Posts: 10,836 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Night Stalker
    quote:Originally posted by Waco Waltz
    The USA and Canada have signed agreements to supress rioters across borders. What's the difference?

    quote:Originally posted by legear
    Irans been caught giving arms/aide to Syria to help squash their unrest. According to Fox news today.

    Its almost every week or day now theres a story in the news about a problem with Iran doing something.

    Im thinking its the war drums starting.

    War with Iran within the next 10 months? What do you think?

    And your thoughts on this are what, Waco?

    NS


    My thought is the post at the top is just another in a long line of absurd posts on Iran. Iran was caught? "Caught" implies a wrong doing. Iran and Syria cooperating for mutural benefit is what? Wrong? The Arab spring was a CIA induced movement and we wonder why some of the government's there might want to counter act it? Ya sure whatever

    That is my thoughts on this one. Try and think ahead of the game then.... there is no mystery about how and why things work the way they do.
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  • WarbirdsWarbirds Member Posts: 16,936 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I love war drums.
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  • dreherdreher Member Posts: 8,891 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    As to the Canadians suppressing rioters, only the Canadian bureaucrats, armed with a pen and a sheathe of papers, are dangerous.

    Having done business across the border in the past, Canadian border people make the U S border people look like super hard working, very caring individuals.
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  • we_dig_itwe_dig_it Member Posts: 6,614 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    politics??
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  • thesupermonkeythesupermonkey Member Posts: 3,905 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by legear
    Irans been caught giving arms/aide to Syria to help squash their unrest. According to Fox news today.

    Its almost every week or day now theres a story in the news about a problem with Iran doing something.

    Im thinking its the war drums starting.

    War with Iran within the next 10 months? What do you think?


    Time to adjust our foreign policies and quit policing the world, it's not our job. It'd be nice to have a c&c who understood that. [:(]
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