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Monkey the Gun Smith, Who'd have thought?

thesupermonkeythesupermonkey Member Posts: 3,905 ✭✭
edited July 2002 in General Discussion
Well yesterday was a rather lazy day so I decided to fiddle around with the guns. In particular I have two Pa63's that were in need of some work. The double action trigger pulls were gritty and unbelievably heavy. I had originally bought a manual on disassembling the Pa63 but I seem to have misplaced it. So I ended up fiddling with until I figured most of it out. A few months back I had ordered a Walther Hammer spring kit from W. C. Wolff. It came with four different springs 16#, 17#, 18#, & 19#. Just putting the new springs in lightened the trigger considerably! You could actually pull the trigger without breaking your finger!!! Since one of my Pa63's is a parts gun I decided to try some more drastic steps. I took my trusty file and began polishing up any rough spots between the hammer release lever, hammer, hammer pin, sear, trigger bar and frame. The finished result? My 89 dollar Pa63 has a better trigger than my 300 dollar Baby Eagle!!! I still have a few things I'd like to do. I want to smooth out the ridges on the trigger, the ridges make extended shooting very uncomfortable. I want to put a heavier recoil spring on it to compensate for the harsh recoil, and perhaps a Hogue grip sleeve with finger grooves. AntiqueDr mentioned poly-coating the aluminum frame, I think that would be interesting. All in all, not a bad cheap little gun with a little work. I prefer the Pa63 over the Makarov since the Makarov has the European mag release and is much more bulky than the Pa63. On the downside, the Pa63's magazine needs to be widened/lengthened a bit to feed hollow points reliably.

Monkey

Ps. AntiqueDr, where are ya buddy, I emailed ya!


Don't worry about the bullet with your name on it, worry about the fragmentation grenade addressed 'To Occupant'.

Comments

  • thesupermonkeythesupermonkey Member Posts: 3,905 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Almost forgot. I don't think you need to buy the spring kit to lighten the trigger. Cutting a few loops off the spring should do the same thing. I didn't have anything to cut the spring without warping it or I would have tried it, but I'm sure it will work. If anyone needs a factory original Pa63 spring just let me know.

    Don't worry about the bullet with your name on it, worry about the fragmentation grenade addressed 'To Occupant'.
  • LowriderLowrider Member Posts: 6,587
    edited November -1
    I only know how to load and shoot mine. Even cleaning them skirts the limits of my technical abilities. Or maybe I'm just lazy.

    Lord Lowrider the LoquaciousMember:Secret Select Society of Suave Stylish Smoking Jackets She was only a fisherman's daughter,But when she saw my rod she reeled.
  • thesoundguy1thesoundguy1 Member Posts: 680
    edited November -1
    Hey Monkey!I just got one of those and I'm having a feed problem with Wolf brand ammo FMJ.Is this a common problem with this ammo?This Pa 63 is damn near new.I don't think it's had 50 rounds put through it.
    Everything about this gun very tight,the trigger pull the dissassembly,even the mag clicking into place.I have to slam it into place with the palm of my left hand.

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  • thesupermonkeythesupermonkey Member Posts: 3,905 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    The Pa63 is a pretty tight fitting gun. It has a few notorious features.
    1) The trigger pull is terrible.
    2) A very harsh recoil.
    3) Magazine hang-ups with some ammunition (Usually Hollow Points).

    You're only having the feeding problem with Wolf? Can you be more specific about the feeding problem? Is the round hanging in the magazine or failing to be extracted from the mag? Do you have the problem with other magazines? The magazine fit in most Pa63's is so tight, that if the forward edge of the round is gritty or abrasive (Like the rough forward edge of a hollow point) the round will hang in the middle of the magazine.

    The magazine should need a firm push to lock into the frame, but if it's anything more than that, check your frame and or magazine and make sure something isn't gritty, warped or damaged. The disassembly shouldn't be too difficult if you do it right. I'm sure you already know how but I'll post it anyway.

    PA-63 Disassembly
    1. Drop the magazine and make sure the chamber is clear.
    2. Pull the trigger guard down so that the top of the trigger guard clears the frame. Once the top of the guard is out of the frame rest it on the left or right side so that it stays out of the well.
    3. Drop the hammer and pull the slide all the way to the rear.
    4. Lift the slide a few degrees and it should disengage from the frame.
    5. Allow the slide to coast forward over the end of the barrel without raising it too much (Don't want scratch up your gun).

    Pa-63 Assembly
    1. Make sure the trigger guard is out of the well and while holding the frame in one hand guide the barrel spring into the front of the slide.
    2. Pull the slide all the way to the rear and apply a downward pressure of the slide against the frame.
    3. The slide should coast forward on the rails. Pull the trigger guard down and guide the top back into the trigger guard well.

    The trigger pull is very easy to fix however I don't think I'd try cutting the spring as I suggested earlier. After testing my gun at the range yesterday, I found I lightened the trigger too much. I was getting occasional light hits on the primer. So I'm had to switch out to a spring a few pounds heavier. If you make the spring too light by cutting it you're out of luck until you can order a better one. To change out your hammer spring, remove the (Crappy) plastic grips by loosening the screw on the right grip. Handle the gun carefully because there are a 2 pins that can come out if your careless and they are so small its hard to find them if you drop them. Put the hammer in the up position if you haven't already. This takes the tension off the spring. You should notice a small pin in the bottom rear of the frame. Apply pressure with your thumb to the circle on the bottom of the gun behind the magazine well and use a punch to remove the pin. Slowly ease your thumb off, but be careful, the hammer spring cap is under pressure. Remove the old spring, and guide a new one over the rod. Put the cap back in the hole and make sure the rear of the spring is in the indentation of the cap. Apply pressure to the cap and insert the pin. Put the grips back on, voila!

    *Note about using other ammo types.
    Someone, was it Salzo? Said he shoots his Pa63 with 380 instead of Makarov. NEVER DO THIS! 9mm Kurtz is nearly identical to Makarov except the case length is a millimeter ( Or there abouts?) shorter. The shorter case length will throw off the head spacing! If you want to shoot the 380 (Much better recoil) you can buy the barrel for 65 bucks. 65 Dollars is a small price to pay than risk damaging your weapon or yourself. Just a thought.
    Munkey


    Don't worry about the bullet with your name on it, worry about the fragmentation grenade addressed 'To Occupant'.

    Edited by - thesupermonkey on 07/08/2002 10:25:50
  • leeblackmanleeblackman Member Posts: 5,303 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Hey monkey, do you think a PA-63 would be bad for someone with a big hand?

    If I'm wrong please correct me, I won't be offended.

    The sound of a 12 gauge pump clears a house fatser than Rosie O eats a Big Mac !
  • thesupermonkeythesupermonkey Member Posts: 3,905 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    The Pa63 fits my mediocre monkey paw satisfactorily but you know what they say about guys with big hands...

    They get to shoot the H&K's!


    Don't worry about the bullet with your name on it, worry about the fragmentation grenade addressed 'To Occupant'.

    Edited by - thesupermonkey on 07/08/2002 13:45:18
  • thesoundguy1thesoundguy1 Member Posts: 680
    edited November -1
    Alright monkey,here's the deal.Hollow points work fine'The wolf FMJ.
    is an embarrassment.The cartridge makes it up the feed ramp,but more often than not,will not seat in the chamber.A slight tug back on the slide,and snap,the round chambers.The chamber is clean,no debris,can't be laquer build-up,it happened with the very first round.The Hornady hollow points,were much more agreeable.
    Only one hiccup,(would't strip a round out of the mag)and a smack on the bottom of the mag up into the grip cured that.
    Please impart your wisdom upon me,oh monkey one!

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    fighting censorship...with an attitude
  • thesupermonkeythesupermonkey Member Posts: 3,905 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Hmmm... usually FMJ feeds like a dream.
    I suppose the lip of the case might be catching on an edge or rough spot on the top of the barrel.

    Don't worry about the bullet with your name on it, worry about the fragmentation grenade addressed 'To Occupant'.
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