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Senate backs trigger locks for guns
jdyer
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Looks like even the Republicans have abandoned us now! - Article Below
Senate backs trigger locks for guns
Thu Jul 28, 2005 02:28 PM ET
By Joanne Kenen
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The Senate on Thursday strongly backed requiring child safety locks to be sold with all handguns, part of a broader debate over a legal shield for the gun industry.
The amendment was approved by a bipartisan 70-30 vote. The Senate has backed similar measures several times in recent years, but the legislation has always died in larger struggles over gun politics.
The amendment's lead sponsor, Democrat Herb Kohl of Wisconsin, said he did not know what the ultimate outcome would be this time around but told reporters after the vote, "The American people overwhelmingly support safety locks."
The Senate is debating the "Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms" bill that would protect the gun industry from civil lawsuits.
It is a top priority of the National Rifle Association, the influential gun lobby, and the White House has strongly endorsed it. It is expected to pass the Senate in the next day or two, and win House approval later this year.
Backers of the bill have sought to keep it clear of amendments. Last year they ended up sinking their own legislation rather than accept gun control amendments, but the child lock provision is among the less controversial firearms safety measures.
The Kohl amendment requires a trigger lock or safe storage device with any handgun sold by a licensed dealer.
Lawmakers continued to spar over the sweep of the lawsuit protection bill. Backers said it would halt politically-inspired "junk" lawsuits aimed at running the gun industry out of business by holding law-abiding gun makers and sellers responsible if a purchaser used a gun in a crime.
Critics say the bill is actually far more sweeping and would make it nearly impossible to hold gun sellers responsible for reckless behavior, such as selling weapons to "straw buyers" covering for criminals.
Senate backs trigger locks for guns
Thu Jul 28, 2005 02:28 PM ET
By Joanne Kenen
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The Senate on Thursday strongly backed requiring child safety locks to be sold with all handguns, part of a broader debate over a legal shield for the gun industry.
The amendment was approved by a bipartisan 70-30 vote. The Senate has backed similar measures several times in recent years, but the legislation has always died in larger struggles over gun politics.
The amendment's lead sponsor, Democrat Herb Kohl of Wisconsin, said he did not know what the ultimate outcome would be this time around but told reporters after the vote, "The American people overwhelmingly support safety locks."
The Senate is debating the "Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms" bill that would protect the gun industry from civil lawsuits.
It is a top priority of the National Rifle Association, the influential gun lobby, and the White House has strongly endorsed it. It is expected to pass the Senate in the next day or two, and win House approval later this year.
Backers of the bill have sought to keep it clear of amendments. Last year they ended up sinking their own legislation rather than accept gun control amendments, but the child lock provision is among the less controversial firearms safety measures.
The Kohl amendment requires a trigger lock or safe storage device with any handgun sold by a licensed dealer.
Lawmakers continued to spar over the sweep of the lawsuit protection bill. Backers said it would halt politically-inspired "junk" lawsuits aimed at running the gun industry out of business by holding law-abiding gun makers and sellers responsible if a purchaser used a gun in a crime.
Critics say the bill is actually far more sweeping and would make it nearly impossible to hold gun sellers responsible for reckless behavior, such as selling weapons to "straw buyers" covering for criminals.
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And neither does any of the pro-gun rights groups.
The bill should do little harm and might even be good PR for guns and gun owners.
It may not find you liable, but your retailer could face fines of up to $10,000 if they fail to sell a lock with each handgun.[V]
And so it begins - don't target the manufacturers, target the retailers.
Gun control by any other name is still f**king gun control.
Bush won - THANK GOD!
Dance Hippo. Dance.
At a recent PA auction, the notice said the transfer was $4 or $5, and the lock was $4.
The auction house got it's own FFL to comply with laws requiring a check of buyers. Previously, I think it was cash and carry.
Gotta love PA. Now to kick that nuzzard Rendel back to Philadelphjia.
So, how the heck is Massachusetts gun law get so convoluted?
GOP-dominated Congress voted on a piece of legislation that was part of Bush's agenda.
If Bush didn't like it or want it, he would have fought it. But for the man who said he supports a new AWB, this makes a wonderful first step.
Bush, by his inaction, has let this putrid piece of legislation through.[:(!]
Dance Hippo. Dance.
The President doesn't seem to debate much of anything, now does he?
He has time to cut his vacation short and fly back to D.C. to sign special legislation to keep Terri Schiavo hooked up to a machine, but he doesn't have the time to make phone calls to tell GOP senators to vote against this piece of legislative bu!!$#!t?
Give me a break.
He's testing the waters - if this goes over without a big stink, you can bet he's mulling over a new AWB for after the 2006 elections.
"Gun locks are for safety." Well, substitute "Banning 'assault weapons'" for "gun locks" and you can see this slippery slope for what it really is - anti-gun legislation sneaking in under the cover of darkness... or, in this case, gun owner apathy.
"Waiting tables is what you know, making cheese is what I know-lets stick with what we know!"
-Jimmy the cheese man
GOV. GEORGE W. BUSH: Common sense policy; common sense policy about
guns. Like many Americans, I'm deeply concerned about this random violence we see on TV. I am troubled by the kids walking into the zoo with a gun and expressing their anger by shooting somebody. And life has been so devalued in some neighborhoods that it's just -- it's okay to act out your aggressions with a weapon. And that's why -- and I don't know what their position is on this and background checks -- at gun shows -- but I supported background checks at gun shows.
And the reason why the federal government ought to be involved is it's the federal government that issues licenses to gun dealers and therefore has the access to the computer to determine whether or not a citizen is eligible or not eligible to purchase a weapon. You know, the trigger lock debate is an interesting debate. I would sign a bill that mandated trigger locks with the sale of guns, but I don't want people in America to think that it's some great panacea, because you've got to put the trigger locks on the guns, I mean, in order for them to be effective. So gun safety is a good issue. But I also want to enforce the laws, and I think there needs to be vigorous prosecution of gun laws on the books, and real quick ...
"Waiting tables is what you know, making cheese is what I know-lets stick with what we know!"
-Jimmy the cheese man
[navy The Senate on Thursday strongly backed requiring child safety locks to be sold with all handguns, part of a broader debate over a legal shield for the gun industry.
Have our representatives been sleeping fo rthe last decade? All handguns sold in the US are supplied with a locking device (don't remember the legislation # off hand). So why on God's green earth should it be required that we supply a second lock???
the word redundent comes to mind.
Save the seals-club a liberal instead.
quote:Originally posted by jdyer
[navy The Senate on Thursday strongly backed requiring child safety locks to be sold with all handguns, part of a broader debate over a legal shield for the gun industry.
Have our representatives been sleeping fo rthe last decade? All handguns sold in the US are supplied with a locking device (don't remember the legislation # off hand). So why on God's green earth should it be required that we supply a second lock???
the word redundent comes to mind.
Save the seals-club a liberal instead.
While I don't know if the above is true, I do know it is not true for used guns at least in the state of Kansas.
Since the language specifically mentions dealers, the implication is that private party transfers are excluded, although private party sales done through a transfer dealer will likely need to include a locking device.
You can buy these things is lots for a couple of bucks per, and the NSSF hands them out free of charge through Operation Child Safe (see http://www.nssf.org/)
If this amendment is all that gets tacked on and the bill passes it is a small price to pay for the continued health and viability of the firearm industry.
Oh, I forgot, it is no big deal anyways and besides 6 out of 10 gun owners support gun locks and in Rendell's Pennsylvania gun owners would not mind paying an extra .35 cents a round if it meant more childrens' lives being saved.
It's all BS-vote getting-take away your rights-feel good legislation.
Pack slow, fall stable, pull high, hit dead center.
Saying that including a mandatory external lock is "taking your gun rights away" is like claiming that emissions equipment, airbags, seat belts and safety glass is taking your automobile rights away. Some of you may argue that the Model T Ford was a better car than, say, a 2005 Chrysler 300C but I for one prefer the latter and its aforementioned safety equipment.
Sure the trigger lock amendment is touchy feely do-nothing legislation. And yes, it adds a few bucks to the cost of a purchase or transfer. But having this bill pass will likely reduce the cost of firearms because it will virtually eliminate the cost of legislation and will likely make insurance cheaper.
If the trigger lock amendment is the political price paid to get the bill passed then it is a cheap price indeed.
business!
Boomer
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. and the antithesis to this philosophy was uttered by Bill Clinton "I smoked it, but I didn't inhale."[V]
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