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Sons of Guns

dakotashooter2dakotashooter2 Member Posts: 6,186
edited February 2011 in General Discussion
After watching a few episodes I'm convinced that these guys are a bunch of hacks. Sure some of their concepts are cool but some of their manufacturing techniques don't lead to the quality one would expect. Also their safe gun handling skills are terrible. I just about fell out of my chair when the remote control roof mounted auto jammed and the guy aproaches it from the muzzle end to look for the problem. I'm suprised no one has gotten seriously injured or killed yet.

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  • dakotashooter2dakotashooter2 Member Posts: 6,186
    edited November -1
    Did anyone see the Tramese M16 they built lastnight? Doesn't look real practical but would be fun to shoot aslong as I am not paying for Ammo.
  • dakotashooter2dakotashooter2 Member Posts: 6,186
    edited November -1
    I see it's back but what happened to the other one with the helicopter guy?
  • dakotashooter2dakotashooter2 Member Posts: 6,186
    edited November -1
    don't know if it has been posted or if anyone has seen the commercials for it yet . . . . .

    discovery is airing a new show starting on Jan 26th called "sons of Guns" or something like that. From what I can Glean from the commercial it is about a guy who makes all sorts of guns and weapons. May be worth a view
  • dakotashooter2dakotashooter2 Member Posts: 6,186
    edited November -1
    Anyone watch it last night? They redid some of the guns on the USS KIDD to be gas guns (used an oxygen/propane mix to get the report of a real gun but no projectial) They then put on a re-enactment of the battle of Okinawa for the fourth of july. It was plobably the best show I have seen the out on. It didn't have as much of the stupid drama that is usually of there.
  • dakotashooter2dakotashooter2 Member Posts: 6,186
    edited November -1
    I dont know most of what I have seen on this show
    seems dangerous.
  • ktowner80ktowner80 Member Posts: 38 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    ya the big dog is kind of a arrogant prick and the daughters voice makes my skin crawl but i keep watchin the show for some reason. they are good at what they do
  • mt3777mt3777 Member Posts: 73
    edited November -1
    they are doing it and that's really cool.

    in the saiga 12 game, tromix is pretty much the king of converters/gunsmiths. before the show, red jacket was pretty much the affordable bottom of the barrel conversion.

    the only person who may be an actual gunsmith on the show is the young guy with the beard. heard someone say it was time well spent at school. he did do a nice job on the sawed off shotgun.

    it would have been a great investment. you could get a red jacket saiga 12 converted for around 7-8 hundred bucks and now they demand the same prices as a tromix or tac47.... WILD!

    the craftsmanship didn't go up!

    I wish them the best of luck and hope they represent the shooting sports well and don't play games for TV which would harm our constantly attacked heritage.
  • partisanpartisan Member Posts: 6,414
    edited November -1
    Arrogant prick is about right on the owner. Too many cocky gun shop owners now. His daughter mentioned once that her dad had been a Marine. Just listening to some of the terms he uses makes me wonder about which Marine Corps he was in. In ITR after boot camp we learned to fire, and/or use about every weapon we might run across during our tour.
    The episode with the old MOH receiptient and the flame thrower was one example. He acted like he was putting his life on the line just to be near the damn thing! When he fired the flame thrower he shot up in the air, as opposed to on the ground, like the old Marine did.
    One of the latest episodes with the "boozoka" sounded like he was a virgin with this weapon also. No one in the Corps calls it a boozoka! It is a 3.5 rocket launcher. I am getting a little tired of his cockiness, and his lack of knowledge. That's just my opinion.
  • mt3777mt3777 Member Posts: 73
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by partisan
    Arrogant prick is about right on the owner. Too many cocky gun shop owners now. He's daughter mentioned once that her dad had been a Marine. Just listening to some of the terms he uses makes me wonder about which Marine Corps he was in. In ITR after boot camp we learned to fire, and/or use about every weapon we might run across during our tour.
    The episode with the old MOH receiptient and the flame thrower was one example. He acted like he was putting his life on the line just to be near the damn thing! When he fired the flame thrower he shot up in the air, as opposed to on the ground, like the old Marine did.
    One of the latest episodes with the "boozoka" sounded like he was a virgin with this weapon also. No one in the Corps calls it a boozoka! It is a 3.5 rocket launcher. I am getting a little tired of his cockiness, and his lack of knowledge. That's just my opinion.


    you also have to consider that they inject drama into the show. otherwise, you would be watching a shop make machine guns. pretty lame to the average person that's not that into guns....

    they know they are under a microscope and try to conduct themselves in a positive manner while still being entertaining.
  • jonkjonk Member Posts: 10,121
    edited November -1
    I just watched them hack up a replica Tommy gun and turn it into a full auto for a local sheriff.

    Not a good idea. Even if you did all the paperwork for this, you are left with a gun that you have no idea how well it was made... the receiver on an ORIGINAL Thompson was made to handle full auto, who knows if the same can be said of this replica?

    Also, for the money spent, I would think that the PD in question could have just bought a full auto Ruger Mini 14 and been done with it.
  • Blade SlingerBlade Slinger Member Posts: 5,891
    edited November -1
    +1
    quote:Originally posted by jonk
    I just watched them hack up a replica Tommy gun and turn it into a full auto for a local sheriff.

    Not a good idea. Even if you did all the paperwork for this, you are left with a gun that you have no idea how well it was made... the receiver on an ORIGINAL Thompson was made to handle full auto, who knows if the same can be said of this replica?

    Also, for the money spent, I would think that the PD in question could have just bought a full auto Ruger Mini 14 and been done with it.
  • cpermdcpermd Member Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    It is a stupid TV show designed to sell commercials.
    It is aimed toward a very dumb audience.
    Some here actually are dumb enough to watch it???

    CP
  • gesshotsgesshots Member Posts: 15,678 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by jonk
    I just watched them hack up a replica Tommy gun and turn it into a full auto for a local sheriff.

    Not a good idea. Even if you did all the paperwork for this, you are left with a gun that you have no idea how well it was made... the receiver on an ORIGINAL Thompson was made to handle full auto, who knows if the same can be said of this replica?

    Also, for the money spent, I would think that the PD in question could have just bought a full auto Ruger Mini 14 and been done with it.


    Watched that one too. They lost me when they replaced the 80 year old spring on a replica gun. Why would a replica have an original spring?
    It's being willing. I found out early that most men, regardless of cause or need, aren't willing. They blink an eye or draw a breath before they pull the trigger. I won't. ~ J.B. Books
  • mrseatlemrseatle Member Posts: 15,467 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I like the daughter, but those dudes sure have a lot of tatoos and FFL are an infringement to The Right to Keep and Bear Arms.
  • shortphatokieshortphatokie Member Posts: 1,081 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Watched it twice......the second time was just to give it a second chance......it lost......[xx(]
  • MooseyardMooseyard Member Posts: 2,541 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I watched part of an episode. It was horrible. Hopefully it will get canceled quick before they do something really stupid and hurt our reputation once again.
  • gesshotsgesshots Member Posts: 15,678 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Is there such a thing as a Leopard pistol? and How does it differ from a Howdah pistol, which is what I think they were trying for - just wondering. [:)]
    It's being willing. I found out early that most men, regardless of cause or need, aren't willing. They blink an eye or draw a breath before they pull the trigger. I won't. ~ J.B. Books
  • dakotashooter2dakotashooter2 Member Posts: 6,186
    edited November -1
    quote:When he fired the flame thrower he shot up in the air, as opposed to on the ground, like the old Marine did.
    I remember seeing old film clips where the fuel from the flamethrowers commonly dripped burning fuel all the way from the muzzle to the target. He is luck he didn't fry himself shooting it in the air. The other guy probably knew better.

    I'm pretty sure the Howdah is exactly what they were after. Makes you question their gun knowledge............

    Wannabe gunsmiths with enough skill to be dangerous.........

    What gunsmith is going to do a conversion and demo it to a customer before thorough testing?
  • DocDoc Member Posts: 13,898 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    This was all hashed out about a week ago...

    1. It's entertainment. No such thing as reality TV (they just happen to bump into a MoH winner?). It's scripted.

    2. I don't know NOTHIN' about the stuff they play with on this show. I have zero experience with machine guns and bazookas and flame throwers so I can't comment on accuracy of what they do or say.

    3. Yeah, the owner is a bit of a prick. And one gunsmith is a goof. It's all from central casting (see #1).

    4. I still find it fun to watch. If I were more knowledgeable about machine guns maybe it would turn me off.
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  • gesshotsgesshots Member Posts: 15,678 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Doc
    This was all hasedc out about a week ago...

    1. It's entertainment. No such thing as reality TV (they just happen to bump into a MoH winner?). It's scripted.

    2. I don't know NOTHIN' about the stuff they play with on this show. I have zero experience with machine guns and bazookas and flame throwers so I can't comment on accuracy of what they do or say.

    3. Yeah, the owner is a bit of a prick. And one gunsmith is a goof. It's all from central casting (see #1).

    4. I still find it fun to watch. If I were more knowledgeable about machine guns maybe it would turn me off.


    I agree this was all hashed out last week - but topics are a bit thin today.

    The technical info is nil.
    The drama is pitiful.
    The owner comes off as an over privilaged, arrogant, self righteous prick.
    So I ask you, where is the entertainment? - and yes I do know where the off button is.[:)]
    Just my 2 cents.
    It's being willing. I found out early that most men, regardless of cause or need, aren't willing. They blink an eye or draw a breath before they pull the trigger. I won't. ~ J.B. Books
  • Laredo LeftyLaredo Lefty Member Posts: 13,451 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by dakotashooter2
    After watching a few episodes I'm convinced that these guys are a bunch of hacks. Sure some of their concepts are cool but some of their manufacturing techniques don't lead to the quality one would expect. Also their safe gun handling skills are terrible. I just about fell out of my chair when the remote control roof mounted auto jammed and the guy aproaches it from the muzzle end to look for the problem. I'm suprised no one has gotten seriously injured or killed yet.



    I saw that also and thought the same thing, but then realized he was approaching from the rear. What looked like the barrel staring him in the face was the buffer tube sticking out the back of the mount. The gun they used had no stock on it as one was not needed as it was easier to mount.

    The show does overdo the "attitude" element. These guys are plan old folks TRYING to be actors and it doesn't work.
  • Oso2142Oso2142 Member Posts: 2,940
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by cpermd
    It is a stupid TV show designed to sell commercials.
    It is aimed toward a very dumb audience.
    Some here actually are dumb enough to watch it???

    CP


    Well, I'm dumb enough to watch it. However, I just see it as entertainment. I don't think the owner, his name escapes me, is anything all that impressive, when it comes to building guns. But hey, it's just a show.

    As far as the shows I enjoy, for entertainment purposes, I really like Pawn Stars. But again, it's cut and splice, and a high dose drama, type show. Hell, I bet these producers could even make my life seem interesting.
  • dakotashooter2dakotashooter2 Member Posts: 6,186
    edited November -1
    I stand corrected. I do find a couple faults with the setup though. The turent cover does not appear to be of a material that would resist the impact of even a handgun round and a mag/drum fed gun? Who gets to get out and swap mags under fire when it is empty?
  • Mr. PerfectMr. Perfect Member, Moderator Posts: 66,404 ******
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by dakotashooter2
    I stand corrected. I do find a couple faults with the setup though. The turent cover does not appear to be of a material that would resist the impact of even a handgun round and a mag/drum fed gun? Who gets to get out and swap mags under fire when it is empty?
    I believe it was mounted above a sun roof. But yeah, didn't look like ballistic plastic to me.
    Some will die in hot pursuit
    And fiery auto crashes
    Some will die in hot pursuit
    While sifting through my ashes
    Some will fall in love with life
    And drink it from a fountain
    That is pouring like an avalanche
    Coming down the mountain
  • joshmb1982joshmb1982 Member Posts: 8,228 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
    quote:Originally posted by dakotashooter2
    I stand corrected. I do find a couple faults with the setup though. The turent cover does not appear to be of a material that would resist the impact of even a handgun round and a mag/drum fed gun? Who gets to get out and swap mags under fire when it is empty?
    I believe it was mounted above a sun roof. But yeah, didn't look like ballistic plastic to me.


    if it was mounted over a sunroof why did they have to crawl out of the truck to change the mag??
  • Mr. PerfectMr. Perfect Member, Moderator Posts: 66,404 ******
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by joshmb1982
    quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
    quote:Originally posted by dakotashooter2
    I stand corrected. I do find a couple faults with the setup though. The turent cover does not appear to be of a material that would resist the impact of even a handgun round and a mag/drum fed gun? Who gets to get out and swap mags under fire when it is empty?
    I believe it was mounted above a sun roof. But yeah, didn't look like ballistic plastic to me.


    if it was mounted over a sunroof why did they have to crawl out of the truck to change the mag??
    beats me. Those guys are a level below moron.
    Some will die in hot pursuit
    And fiery auto crashes
    Some will die in hot pursuit
    While sifting through my ashes
    Some will fall in love with life
    And drink it from a fountain
    That is pouring like an avalanche
    Coming down the mountain
  • DocDoc Member Posts: 13,898 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    gesshots- No accounting for taste. One man's art is another man's trash. I enjoy the program and find it entertaining.
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  • joshmb1982joshmb1982 Member Posts: 8,228 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
    beats me. Those guys are a level below moron.


    Yep. still mildly entertaining though. just cant believe some of the stuff they do on there is actually legal. ohh well i suppose they'd be in jail if it wasn't right.
  • joker5656joker5656 Member Posts: 5,598 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    If this is the show I think it is they thought they were the first ones to invent silencers for shotguns. Sorry but they have been around
  • TrinityScrimshawTrinityScrimshaw Member Posts: 9,350 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I think they were trolling here last week, but Dave sent them packing.[B)]

    Trinity +++
  • 4627046270 Member Posts: 12,627
    edited November -1
    that kind of weapons handling gives us all a bad name.
  • scrumpyjackscrumpyjack Member Posts: 5,336 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Doc
    gesshots- No accounting for taste. One man's art is another man's trash. I enjoy the program and find it entertaining.


    Translated...Frank likes the daughter also.[;)]
  • DocDoc Member Posts: 13,898 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    She's not ugly (that snaggle tooth doesn't help, though) but my wife is more attractive and rule #1 states Always Trade Up.
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  • scrumpyjackscrumpyjack Member Posts: 5,336 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Doc
    She's not ugly (that snaggle tooth doesn't help, though) but my wife is more attractive and rule #1 states Always Trade Up.


    [:D]
  • Mr. PerfectMr. Perfect Member, Moderator Posts: 66,404 ******
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Doc
    She's not ugly (that snaggle tooth doesn't help, though) but my wife is more attractive and rule #1 states Always Trade Up.
    agreed. Plus that girl is just annoying to listen to.[xx(]
    Some will die in hot pursuit
    And fiery auto crashes
    Some will die in hot pursuit
    While sifting through my ashes
    Some will fall in love with life
    And drink it from a fountain
    That is pouring like an avalanche
    Coming down the mountain
  • SXSMANSXSMAN Member Posts: 2,616 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by cpermd
    It is a stupid TV show designed to sell commercials.
    It is aimed toward a very dumb audience.
    Some here actually are dumb enough to watch it???

    CP


    I'm wondering....how would you comment without watching ???
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