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Bill would push driver's license with ID chip

Josey1Josey1 Member Posts: 9,598 ✭✭
edited May 2002 in General Discussion
Bill would push driver's license with chip
By Dee Ann Divis
UPI Science and Technology Editor
From the Science & Technology Desk
Published 5/1/2002 0:27 AM


WASHINGTON, May 1 (UPI) -- Legislation to standardize state-issued driver's licenses across the United States, and to mandate that those licenses carry a computer chip and incorporate some kind of unique identifier such as a fingerprint, will be introduced in Congress on Wednesday.

The Driver's License Modernization Act of 2002, sponsored by Reps. Jim Moran, D-Va., and Tom Davis, R-Va., also directs that the chip be capable of accepting software for other applications, including those of private companies.

The objective of the legislation is to prevent identity fraud and enhance national security by making driver's licenses a better way to establish identity. The use of a fingerprint, for example, would make it harder for someone to steal and use the card.

The bill would also mandate the establishment of standards for documents accepted by states to better establish the identity of the person applying for a driver's license or non-driver ID card.

"The intent of this legislation is to correct flaws in the driver's license standard that states currently have," Moran's spokesman, Dan Drummond, told United Press International.

"Right now there are inconsistent requirements between the states for initial identity verification. There's also insufficient verification of identity documents that people present when they go to get a license."

The bill would also earmark $315 million in federal funds to help pay for the transition to the new licenses and to set up links between state computer systems. Linking the computers is necessary, proponents say, so that states can check if the person applying for a driver's license was denied a license in another state.

These provisions in the bill track closely with a proposal by the American Association of Motor Vehicle Administrators, which has long supported standardized licenses and has been pushing to set criteria for "breeder" documents like birth certificates and to link state computer systems.

The total cost of the links and other enhancements could be substantial. In 1997 the Social Security Administration published a report saying that the cost to issue an enhanced Social Security card, an idea similar in many ways to the enhanced driver's licenses, would range from $3.8 million to $9.2 billion, depending on the type of card.

Issuing a Social Security card with a computer chip and a biometric identifier to 277 million people was estimated to cost $7.3 billion, a figure deemed "reasonable" by the General Accounting Office in 1998.

The AAMVA proposal would cover some 250 million people, including Canadians, in the system.

One aspect of the new bill that may not mesh well with AAMVA's vision, however, is the use of the driver's license for other than driver identification.

Jay Maxwell, AAMVA executive director, told UPI at a mid-April conference, that dual-use cards can create a problem with who owns the license and its use for driving enforcement.

What would happen, said Maxwell if a policeman had to take your driver's license and it was also your ATM and credit card?

Such a problem would only impact the worst drivers, stressed Shane Ham, a senior policy analyst at the Washington-based Progressive Policy Institute, who said that this was a very small number of users. He added that there might be other ways around the problem.

"In theory the cards could also be structured in such a way that revoking your driving privileges is just a change that is downloaded onto the chip itself without actually yanking the card back," said Ham.

He also stressed that use of the enhanced driver's license for private-sector services is strictly voluntary.

"It would be completely optional if the card holder wanted to put something else on their driver's license," said Ham. "As far as anyone's concerned, you could pretend that the chip was not there."

"If the purpose of this card is domestic security or it is national security or it is to screen terrorists, then there is no reason for it to be designed from the beginning to be interoperable with private sector entities," pointed out Lee Tien, senior staff attorney with the San Francisco-based Electronic Frontier Foundation.

"The real thrust of the private-sector interoperability is so that the ID card or driver's license will be even more useful to commercial entities in terms of tracking consumers, doing consumer profiling, telemarketing -- all those kinds of things that people currently consider to be an invasion of privacy," Tien said.

The density of information on the cards makes them a target, a "honey pot" for people trying to steal data, said Ari Schwartz, associate director at the Washington-based Center for Democracy and Technology. Supposedly secure chips on smart cards have already been hacked, said Schwartz.
http://www.upi.com/view.cfm?StoryID=30042002-113901-6626r


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  • offerorofferor Member Posts: 8,625 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I spent a few years as a Proposal Manager in the drivers licensing systems/ID/Welfare business, and I can tell you "smart cards" are the wave of the future. The state of Utah was ready to be first into that market 5 years ago, but the technology wasn't ready. It's really just a more sophisticated version of the magnetic stripe on the back of your credit card, except there's room for a tiny operating system, uploading and downloading data, so of course more info fits on there.

    The question is not WHETHER we'll have plastic cards with a chip, but what we'll allow to be put on and taken off those tiny computers, and when. Soon they'll have sufficient memory to hold personal data, digital fingerprints, photos, iris scans, signature scans, account balances with debit/credit software, etc. The plastic cards will also have various security features including super-tiny printed markings, holographics, etc. to prevent counterfeiting. Like every other advancement, guidelines will have to be hammered out -- hopefully by "the people." I'd hate to have spyware on there keeping track of my use of the card for marketing purposes, and you can bet that's the first thing capitalism will think of on a "national ID card" that may be used for a variety of purposes. Hopefully a driver license will only have the pertinent data to prove your identity, which for honest people should pose little threat, and reduce the possibility of your stolen wallet being used against you....



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  • IconoclastIconoclast Member Posts: 10,515 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    George Orwell missed it by less than 20 years. "We have met the enemy and they is us!"

    (I realize there are two vastly different references here)
  • gunpaqgunpaq Member Posts: 4,607 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    What about my Amish neighbors, they don't have drivers licenses or PA State ID cards? Maybe I should become Amish, dubiesh. My Social Security Card says "Not For Identification Purposes" on the back. Yet my FAA license, serial #, insurance account #, etc., etc., are all my SS #. Instead of doing a delayed political action of updating state licenses they should have everyone implanted with a chip in the wrist that can be used fo ID, medical info, commerce, ect. Just think how much safer our society would be if a police officer could instantly be made aware if you may be a potential threat and be able subdue you with an electronic device instead of using violence. Or in another case if you are injured and cannot speak, the paramedics could scan your chip for instan medical info and be immediately able to qualify you for medical treatment or for organ harvesting. Children could be programmed at school with these chips for acceptable social behavior and proper thought much like your pet dog is programmed by the shock of the invisible fence. Just think.......a perfect functioning society. How easy would it be at the grocery checkout line for the clerk simply to scan your wrist after your last item is bagged? What a great idea, no fumbling for cash, hassels with writing a check, or the embarressment of you card be declined!

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  • sandman2234sandman2234 Member Posts: 894 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Keep close watch on your "chip". I store mine on the dash of the truck, held in place by a big MAGNET...

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  • offerorofferor Member Posts: 8,625 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    gunpaq --
    They already do it to dogs and cats, and discussing doing it with certain groups of people as well. Fingerprinting started with criminals and spread outward (just a guess). Subcutaneous chips could go the same route. Then all you'd need is GPS functionality to know where everybody is all the time. Good: Kidnapped kids would be found. Bad: Well, you fill in the blank.

    Wasn't it POGO who said that other thing???

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  • concealedG36concealedG36 Member Posts: 3,566 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    My Michigan Driver's License ALREADY HAS a magnetic stripe on the back. When I visit the casino, for example, they run the license through a reader.

    It's just a matter of time, Big Brother IS watching!!



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  • Big Sky RedneckBig Sky Redneck Member Posts: 19,752 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    As far as the licenses becoming nationwide standards it has been tried and it failed. The CDL license is supposed to be like that already but it is not. Now if they failed at doing the CDL how in the heck are they going to do them all. As far as the tech advances and this digital ID crap I see it as wrong. To much info can be stored about you on it and can be easily used against you. I don't like the NEW AGE control tactics and yes, it does scare me. The people that want this kind of garbage watched way too many sci fi movies and seem to think that living here on earth like the fictional charactors in Star Wars did would be a good thing. Not me, I'm gettin ready to move to Montana and become a hermit and never come back to civilization. These techno wierdos are getting away with way to much. This country has been here how long without this junk? Now all of a suddwen we need it? Bull *!
  • AlpineAlpine Member Posts: 15,092 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    "Smart Cards" or 7816 compliant cards are not all that wonderful. If you don't believe me talk to NDS or DirecTV. Out of 14 million paying subcribers they have some people that have learned to talk to their "Smart Cards". And they told their cards they don't have to pay to receive the service. This includes the 128 bit encryption HU cards.
    What would stop people from rewriting their cards to "John Smith"?
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  • dakotashooter2dakotashooter2 Member Posts: 6,186
    edited November -1
    I agree with Alpine. While some technology is wonderfull there are many out there who have the capability to defeat or circumvent that technology for their own benifit. Why make things easier with a one stop shopping center. Kinda like putting all your eggs in one basket, momma told me not to.
  • simonbssimonbs Member Posts: 994
    edited November -1
    Alpine makes a VERY good point. Hi-tech criminals will be able to alias themselves and steal others' identities much more easily.

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