Iconoclast--nuclear war survival

competentone

With an ID like the one you're using, I'm surprised at your statement in the "Fallout shelter" post implying that fallout shelters are useless.What are these "facts of nuclear holocaust" which you are referring to?Before you answer, try this link for nuclear war facts: www.oism.org/nwss/ Nuclear war survival is something to consider right now--especially if bin Laden has slipped into China....

nunn

Personally, I do not care to survive an all-out nuclear exchange. I would rather be at ground zero and check out fast.

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competentone

Nunn,Atleast read chapter one about the myths of nuclear war: www.oism.org/nwss/s73p912.htm Of course I'm one of those "infidels" so there is no "better life on the other side"--THIS IS IT! I will struggle to maintain my life at all costs, as the alternative is "non-existence".

turbo

Competetone:A person can spend all his time worrying about his life from one moment to the next.If one buys or constructs a shelter, he'll have to carry it around with him all the time, to make sure it's available when he needs it.Knowing that each day I live is one day closer to eternity anyhow, I wouldn't want to live burdened down with worrying about whether today is that day.I want to enjoy life, and not be subjected to buying and then having to drag around with me things that can't prolong my life one day beyond the appointed time.I say build it or buy all the gadgets money can afford you, you're absolutely right, "you have everything to lose and must preserve your life at all costs".My advice is to buy the best, cause the cheap ones always never last. It's expensive but, when you have no options, what else can you do.[This message has been edited by turbo (edited 10-08-2001).]

competentone

turbo,There is something called "balance".I'm not saying one should spend all their life "worrying" about nuclear war, I'm saying be aware of the world as it is and take reasonable precautions.Sadly, when it comes to nuclear war, too many Americans have accepted the idea that "ignorance is bliss"--I'm just saying, that for minimal effort, we could have effective defensive measures with fallout shelters. Read the links I've given above.Of course what is most annoying is that many Americans laugh at those who would make the effort to put in a shelter--those laughing demonstrate ignorance topped by foolishness.If Americans knew how certain branches the government have planned to survive a nuclear attack (using their tax dollars!) they would not laugh so loudly at the idea of civilian fallout shelters.

Iconoclast

Competentone -Well, I did read at least the chapter you highlighted for nunn. It is interesting and I bookmarked the site to read as time allows. Clearly the authors have their views and have provided data to support those views. Considering the documented climatic effects of individual volcanic eruptions, however, the comment "erious climatic effects from a Soviet-U.S. nuclear war cannot be completely ruled out" seems to be a rather disingenuous understatement. This is not to say that I wouldn't put stores by if events move toward a holocaust, but that I'm inclined to suspect it would be in the category of a last act of defiance. I don't plan to give up & die w/o a fight, even if it's futile.

turbo

I agree with the statement "ignorance is bliss".I spent 15 years of my life as a professional, trained safety officer, I am very much aware of A blast, and the fall out radiation dangers.And what precautions, and equipment one needs to survive, such a calamity.There is more to it than building another house to spend your time when involved in trying to preserve your life after a nulear blast, putting distance between ground zero and yourself is the best defense, trying to second guess where the blast will be set off is a diffreent matter, and could well become a full time job trying to figure it out, consuming your thoughts to the point of altering your life style. When involved with these types of threats, one has no control were it will come from nor, where it will take place.The people in your post will sell you anything you are willing to buy, in another post, the Red Cross is selling dusts masks, claiming that they will protect from radiation particles and no doubt people will purchase then, inspite that radiation dust particles kill simply by penetrating skin and killing living cells. The most dangerous radiation that kills living tissue is Gamma rays, these can penetrate 15 to 20 feet of concrete and earth, iradiaded dust particles can settle on just about anything, and all but the best of the filters which are very expensive.To build a shelter, and then equip it with mickey mouse monitoring equipment is foolishness, after you build your shelter you need to furnish it with equiment which can cost as much as the shelter itself.If you have no hope, your absolutely correct, You have no options, I say go for it..

john w

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