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Here's One For You! What Would You Do?
nunn
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I was working the July 4 celebration, mostly PR stuff, smile, be seen, and so on.
Bozo from out of town has a bicycle on the grounds, pushing it around. On the handlebar are two American flags. Dragging on the ground behind the bike, attached by a piece of wire, is a Mexican flag.
A number of complaints have come in from people offended by this display. A number of the complaints have also included threats to harm the bozo if he doesn't stop.
Our community has a fairly large Hispanic population, mostly first and second generation immigrants from Mexico.
What would you do?
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Bozo from out of town has a bicycle on the grounds, pushing it around. On the handlebar are two American flags. Dragging on the ground behind the bike, attached by a piece of wire, is a Mexican flag.
A number of complaints have come in from people offended by this display. A number of the complaints have also included threats to harm the bozo if he doesn't stop.
Our community has a fairly large Hispanic population, mostly first and second generation immigrants from Mexico.
What would you do?
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Edited by - idsman75 on 07/06/2002 01:16:39
If you could arrest for stupidity, about half my county would be in jail and the other half would be waiting their turns.
I may disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.--Voltaire~Secret Select Society Of Suave Stylish Smoking Jackets~
Texas Penal Code, Section 42.01 (a)(2) was invoked, and a warning given. That statute covers "an offensive gesture or display (that)
tends to incite a breach of the peace." That statute has REPEAL written all over it, but it is still in place. We just don't use it much.
He was told that he could use his argument that it is his right to expression as a defense in court. In other words, he might beat the rap, but not the ride.
He was also told that we (the police) did not care to have to make paper after someone got angry enough to kick his sorry butt.
Then one of the brass present got creative and invented a new city ordinance...You can't bring bicycles on the fairgrounds. You can
stay, but the bike has to go.
He left.
He was trying to make a point about the large numbers of Mexicans who have come here, and won't let go of their own culture and language. Maybe he did have a point, but there isn't a lot he can do to change things. Time will, as the children of recent immigrants grow up, but the fact is that the Mexicans are here to stay.
There is no "checking green cards," anymore. INS is absolutely not interested in picking up illegals, unless they are in jail for a felony offense. We bust a few now and them with fake green cards and charge them with Forged Government Document, a Third Degree Felony, but I have yet to see INS come around.
The punk was a skinhead type in appearance. Young, peeled scalp, skinny, big chip on shoulder. Black t-shirt, BDU trousers, lace-up boots. Missing the tattoos, though. Usually they are too chicken to venture out alone.
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Rugster
I am glad we did not have to arrest the knothead, but I think the Disorderly Conduct statute would have covered it.
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"What we have here... is Failure to Communicate"
"The Board Law"
"You fought *The Law* and *The Law* won"
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"What we have here... is Failure to Communicate"
"The Board Law"
"You fought *The Law* and *The Law* won"
"What we have here... is Failure to Communicate"
"The Board Law"
"You fought *The Law* and *The Law* won"
The INS is useless to some extent because the same goes here,
when you locate illegals unless they've committed a felony they want nothing to do with them. I agree with previous post about anybody coming here to live. LEARN ENGLISH. Don't burden me with the cost of having to learn your language, whatever it might be.
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Fitz
With all due respect, I don't think the constitution gives anyone the right to provoke another. Even if it does, low life instigators should be put in their place by the public before the LEO's are even involved. I'll excuse you while you go puke again.
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Fitz
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Fitz
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I disagree that LEOs have a duty to keep the peace at the expense of citizens' rights. Did you hear about the applicant to the Mystic, CT Police Department who was denied entrance because he was too intelligent? The courts upheld the decision. That says a lot about LEOs, like it or not.
I agree that everyone has the right to express their own truth to a "certain degree". Screaming "Fire!" in a crowded theatre is an example where that right is limited, but not in this case with the guy on the bike. Rude though it was, it was his right. Surely you don't want LEOs arresting people for being rude, do you? Ever been tail-gated by one? Now that's not only rude but abuse of power and possibly entrapment depending on his motive.
Now about my "having an issue that would bring an illegal response". Of course! Every man can be pushed too far. There is a big difference between morality and illegality. Remember that our rights as Americans are God-given, not law given. They can't be swept away by some stupid majority. Just as juries have an obligation to dismiss cases based on unconstitutional laws, LEOs have an obligation to know the rights of the people they work for.
You said, "Maybe someone messing with your wife or kids. It would be a cops "JOB" to stop it before it lead to you reacting in an illegal way."
Do actually think I should wait until a cop showed up before reacting, out of fear of doing something illegal?
If I were a cop called to that situation, I would choose .250Savage's solution. But I also wouldn't stop and get a doughnut if he ignored me and got attacked.
Fitz
Fitz
Re-read your last reply. You can't have it both ways. Either the cops are here to stop trouble or they have no right interferring in your right to be and idiot or commit a criminal act. Your crotch is going to get hurt if you keep straddling the fence. One side or the other.
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Fitz
"What we have here... is Failure to Communicate"
"The Board Law"
"You fought *The Law* and *The Law* won"
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back to nunn's second post, where he talks about how the statute
he used has repeal written all over it, and how the fellow would
surely beat the rap had he brought him in. There's a reason for
that: what the guy was doing is constitutionally protected free
speech. Yeah, he was being an *, and he was being rude, but
he was not yelling fire in a crowded movie theater. If nunn had
any job to do, it was to allow this yahoo to make his statement
and to stop any fellows who would punch him for doing so.
Hey, lets think about it this way: Yes, you have second amendment
rights, but we're going to take away all your high capacity magazines,
your assault rifles, and your automatic weapons. After all, those
things make some people uncomfortable. Sucks, doesn't it? Well,
that fellow is sort of like the guy who wants to own a full auto
AK with a folding stock, bayonet on the front, and a magazine full of
Black Talon bullets. He wants to push his rights all the way to the limits. And nunn said sorry fellow, you don't get to do that.
Please keep in mind that I understand all the problems nunn had to deal with on that day, and that had it been me wearing the shield I probably would have done the same thing he did. Keep in mind also that had I been a bystander and seen that fellow ride by, I probably would have told him what he's doing is rude and idiotic. At the same time, what he's doing is--thank God--allowed in America.
Sept. 11th was not caused by LEOs not having enough power, but rather because of the Federal Government's ineptitude in protecting us from invaders. We let far too many scum into the US, and reward too many with citizenship for "signing in" even after being here for years illegally.
Let's get specific in this discussion. If we just have a general negative feeling about eachother but never talk specifics, it would be a waste of a perfectly good Sunday evening.
Are you suggesting that police and/or the FBI and INS had their hands tied in preventing 9/11? If so, how? And what would you (have) change(d)?
Fitz
The only good arguement I've given him is it's an LEO's job to head off trouble, which I believe. I have been playing on his emmotion from his first post just to provke him. Each post I have given was just to inflame his previous emmotions. He made such a passionate first post, I just wanted to see how far I could take it. Sorry for the stirring. If you read Fitz other post, you'll see he's really a pretty well rounded guy.
The Devil made me do it!
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I was just playing a fish on the line. Hang around here and you'll see that I have the tendency to stir someone who makes a passionate post. Just funning you along. You've got your head on straight, you just let emmotions take over in the heat of battle. My guess, your still young and full of spirit. Wish I was.
Got ya'!
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"What we have here... is Failure to Communicate"
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sophistry
noun
FORMAL DISAPPROVING OR SPECIALIZED
the clever use of arguments which seem true but are really false, and are used in this way to deceive people
http://dictionary.cambridge.org/define.asp?key=sophistry*1+0
Fitz