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Jury indicts Hinton man in gun sales

Josey1Josey1 Member Posts: 9,598 ✭✭
edited December 2001 in General Discussion
Jury indicts Hinton man in gun sales 2001-12-21A 42-year-old Hinton man was indicted by an Oklahoma City federal grand jury Thursday on charges of dealing in firearms without a license. David Thomas Kubowski is accused in a two-count indictment of having 386 firearms for sale and of lying to agents with the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms who questioned him about his business. The government is seeking forfeiture of the 386 firearms, along with "numerous rounds of ammunition, clips, magazines and firing devices." If convicted, Kubowski could be sentenced to up to 10 years in prison and fined up to $500,000. There was no immediate comment from Kubowski. http://www.newsok.com/cgi-bin/show_article?ID=799931
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  • bsebastbsebast Member Posts: 190 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    This is not unusual. It has happened to several non-licensed gun show dealers in the past 3 years. The way the ATF puts it: "If someone is buying and selling firearms with the principal motive of making a profit, then they are dealing in firearms. To deal in firearms, one must have a Federal Firearms Dealers License." So the charges are "dealing in firearms without a license."The ATF's charges are usually only the first. The state sales tax people will be waiting patiently for the evidence when the ATF is through with it.
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  • idsman75idsman75 Member Posts: 13,398 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I'd encourage them to prove that he intended to make a profit. One of my friends had a co-worker who inherited hundreds of firearms after his father's death. He didn't want all of them so he went about selling them. Why not make it a garage sale? I just don't understand how they can regulate the sale of private property like that. What a road we've gone down.
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  • GreenLanternGreenLantern Member Posts: 1,647 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Whether they're regulating it or not, Joe SixPacks like us don't have the means to assemble a legal team equivalent to what the goverment can throw together to step on us like a bug.
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  • bsebastbsebast Member Posts: 190 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    idsman-- The evidence is collected by ATF agents going to gun shows. One agent sells a gun to a non-licensed "exhibitor," another comes along 10 minutes later and buys it. The transactions are videotaped by a hidden camera--complete with sound. That, among other tidbits of evidence are what they get the arrest and search warrents with. I have not known of a dealer yet to beat the raps.
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  • AntiqueDrAntiqueDr Member Posts: 691 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    "I have not known of a dealer yet to beat the raps."Therein lies the problem. If he's gonna be a dealer then get the license. If I have to jump through the hoops, why doesnt he?We may not like the rules, but they've been the rules since 1968.
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  • bsebastbsebast Member Posts: 190 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    AntiqueDr-- I don't know how far you go back in guns and gun shows, but gun shows were originally for unlicensed dealers and good ol' boys. I recall the years where it was illegal for licensed firearms dealers to conduct business anywhere other than at the address on their license. They were not permitted to set up and sell at gun shows. Then, several years ago, the AFT created the regulation to permit dealers to do business at gun shows in the states where they were licensed. That's the way it is today. At any time, I repeat, AT ANY TIME, the ATF can, without any govermental permission or approval, reverse their regulation and make it the way it used to be. They gave you permission to sell at shows, and they can take away that "privilege." Understand: you have a privilege, not a right to sell at shows. Think about it a moment. If legislation were passed where all gun sales at gun shows had to be handled through a licensed dealer with a background check, then all the ATF would have to do to eliminate gun shows would be to take away the ability for licensed dealers to conduct business at gun shows, that is, make it like it used to be. We are but two small steps away from eliminating gun shows. And that would be the "neat and clean" way for the government to do it.Of course you license holders wouldn't cry many tears over that, would you? [This message has been edited by bsebast (edited 12-23-2001).]
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