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need help!

E.WilliamsE.Williams Member Posts: 1,101 ✭✭✭✭
edited July 2002 in General Discussion
Do you think I should fire my contractor? I don't know what to do.

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  • E.WilliamsE.Williams Member Posts: 1,101 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Alright fellas I just found out my baby sister is moving out of my parents home into her own place in another city by herself.I have talked her into getting a gun to keep in her home.She has never shot before because she always had my father there in the house so she didnt feel the need to learn.She wants me to pick out her gun for her and teach her how to shoot.This is my question,I just want some opinions on the best to get her in case I have over looked or forgot something.Out of these two which would you suggest but other reccomendations gladly accepted.But do you think Im on track. 1.Snub Nosed .38 Revolver 2.DAO 9mm Auto-Loader?

    Eric S. Williams
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  • E.WilliamsE.Williams Member Posts: 1,101 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    What should I have for dinner tonight? 6 adults and 2 children! Quick!
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  • E.WilliamsE.Williams Member Posts: 1,101 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Since I am the one out of my friends who knows the most about guns, they call me with gun related problems. This one I do not want to mess with. My friend just purchased his first rifle online, and it just got delivered... TO HIS HOUSE from an FFL holder. He remembered me explaining the process to him about how it would get delivered from the sellers FFL holder to his FFL holder and then he would have to go pick it up from his FFL holder. When the package arrived at his house, he signed for it and brought it in because he gets several packages by mail. I just got off the phone with him and he is freaking out and doesn't know what to do. I don't want to tell him the wrong thing and get him or anyone else in trouble. Any advice?
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  • E.WilliamsE.Williams Member Posts: 1,101 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Here is my 1000th post.

    To help determin the winner of my give-a-way I need 1 person to give me 16 single digit numbers. I will use a mathmatical equation to get the winner from them.

    This person should hopefully be someone not in the running.

    So Lets Have It!

    Anyone?
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  • E.WilliamsE.Williams Member Posts: 1,101 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Well my wife and I had a baby girl in April of 2002. We wanted to start a Holiday Barbie collection for her. Wouldn't you know it, with all the rush of Christmas we forgot to get one. Now we looked all over here in central Pa. and everybody is sold out. I wanted to reach out and see if anybody on the board seen them available in their area. I would really like to get one.

    Thanks
    Glenn Martz
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  • E.WilliamsE.Williams Member Posts: 1,101 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I got my reloading kit in the mail today. Now I just need to build myself a reloading bench to go along with it. What do you suggest I do. Build it so I have to stand and reload or build it so I can wheel my office chair up to it and sit down? I was thinking 32" high by 4' long with peg board backing and a few shelves. Would that work? Let me know what you think, I just need some ideas.

    Thanks,
    Jonathan
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  • sodbustersodbuster Member Posts: 2,305 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    The most important item is training her, like you said. My pick would be #1 snub nose revolver. Completely reliable and simple.

    "Just my opinion."
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  • charlieccharliec Member Posts: 269 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Go with the revolver and you know what to do! Have her shoot and shoot and shoot.....








    If man thinks for one minute he understands women, he's timed it about right
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  • RugerNinerRugerNiner Member Posts: 12,636 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    For Home Defense and not Concealed Carry - A 4-6" 357mag loaded with 38cal. Defense rounds.

    DO NOT Practice with 38cal. and load 357mag for Defense. Stick with the 38cal. rounds consistently.

    Remember...Terrorist are attacking Civilians; Not the Government. Protect Yourself!
    Keep your Powder dry and your Musket well oiled.
    NRA Lifetime Benefactor Member.
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  • competentonecompetentone Member Posts: 4,696 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I'll ignore your main question, momentarily, and recommend the following (I'm assuming she's moving into an apartment).

    1) Change the locks; don't rely on what the management company tells you.

    2) Make sure she does not rely on the locks. Most door and window locks and be forced open VERY easily. There are relatively simple additions to make doors and windows substantially stronger (locking/brace bars for doors and windows can be very effective).

    3) Make sure she uses the locks; even in the "middle of the day" when she's doing something like unloading groceries from her car, she should "get in the habit" of always locking the door behind her. She also needs to "be aware" of what's going on around her more than she was when living at home.

    4) If dogs are allowed and she wants a pet, get a dog. Even a little noise-maker will alert her if there is an intruder--and can scare away most intruders.

    5) Be "street smart" about who she lets in her "home" and who she lets know that she lives alone.

    6) Make sure she gets to know her neighbors; if she is friendly toward them, they'll likely quickly consider her "a friend" and be ready to help if there was any problem--much more so than if they view her as just "a neighbor".

    And to your question on which gun; try to let her shoot a few and see what she feels the most comfortable with--my experience: generally women are less "mechanically inclined" and find the function of a revolver more appealing than an auto.
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  • E.WilliamsE.Williams Member Posts: 1,101 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I told her to get a small little dog so if somebody is coming in it will let her know and maybe wont be surprised I also told her to get a wind chime and put it on her sliding glass door so if somebody opens it she will know.Im also gonna buy her a door club.I was leaning toward the revolver for ease of operation and she wont have any jams to clear or forget to rack the slide and go shooting an empty chamber.I think I might reccomend a 4" but I will take her and let her hold the 4" and the snub and see which she likes best.Im gonna buy her about 5 or 6 boxes of ammo to start with and a box of defense ammo and a couple of speed loaders.She is a very naive girl she used to think miss cleo was a real psychic(god help her)but she has smarted up alot since then.I just get scared man shes my baby sister.Im gonna check the laws for her tomorrow where she is moving to she when she can shoot.I might can talk her into carrying once she gets to the range and shoots some she might feel comfortable enough that her abilities will permit that.

    Eric S. Williams
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  • pickenuppickenup Member Posts: 22,844 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    My wife carries a SP-101 for a reason. Like sodbuster said simple and reliable. I vote for the revolver also.

    If I knew then, what I know now.
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  • sfettysfetty Member Posts: 349 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Go with a S&W revolver that she is comfortable with and 3-4 safariland speed loaders. Have her practice shooting and loading the revolver with the speed loaders. Get the revolver in .357 mag. That way she can shoot .38's in it and if she ever wants to step up to the .357mag round, she'll have the revolver to do it with. Above all, she needs to shoot the gun until she feels comfortable with it and is fairly accurate with it.
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  • Shootist3006Shootist3006 Member Posts: 4,171
    edited November -1
    Eric, most of what has been said is good advice. I too recommend a revolver for reliability and ease of operation. When you go to teach her, remember what she is learning for!! Keep the training simple and focused on close, quick shooting. Don't do anything over 7 yards and do some at 4 feet. Also, teach her to retreat and call 911 while protecting herself with the revolver. Don't let her think that she is now Wyatt Earp and investigate noises - not her job.
    Also, while I understand your concerns, remember that moving into her own place AND a new city are a big adventure and should be fun. Try not to scare her while giving her the knowledge she needs.

    Quod principi placuit legis habet vigorem.Semper Fidelis
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  • offerorofferor Member Posts: 8,625 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Just one thing. I refer back to the comment about letting her try a few and see what feels good to her. Make sure her hand fits the grip and her finger can reach the trigger properly. Insist that the clerk let her dry fire each gun so that you determine that she can easily pull a 12 lb. double action trigger. I know a few women who can barely manage it and would much prefer a lighter trigger on a striker-fired gun such as on the Taurus Millennium or the Glock. I do recall that S&W made a Ladysmith revolver in .32 magnum at one time that may have had an action job to reduce the trigger pull to about 10 pounds. You might look for something like that. Obviously, a bobbed or covered hammer revolver would be preferable for pulling out of a purse, but remarkably few women's guns have been made with that feature in mind.

    You may actually get to the range and find she's terrified of the noise and can't shoot at all. I assume you know better by now. Let her try a few different guns, and find out what she thinks.

    You may be surprised to find she prefers a Glock to anything else you show her. It has happened to me more than once. If so, consider an 8 pound New York trigger installation. It's a very cheap modification. Be sure to try the gun again after the trigger job if you should get that far. If your dealer mis-installs a New York trigger, it can be installed in training mode, locking the slide open after each round is fired. It happened to me once. One of the parts was installed upside down. Good luck!

    - Life NRA Member
    "If cowardly & dishonorable men shoot unarmed men with army guns, the evil must be prevented by the penitentiary...and not by general deprivation of constitutional privilege." - Arkansas Supreme Court, 1878
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  • alledanalledan Member Posts: 19,541
    edited November -1
    I would recommend a S&W Ladysmith.
    One of the main concerns for you is to make sure she can hit a human size target with deadly accuracy at least within the open distances she would have to shoot in her apartment.

    If she could handle a .45 loaded with rangers it would be great for her.

    JMHO.
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  • n/an/a Member Posts: 168,427 ✭
    edited November -1
    Competentone and offeror are giving excellent advice... First.. Change the locks.... Even the best locks are no good if everyone and their kids have keys to it... and how many of us give keys to someone else??... then move out and forget to get the keys back?...

    Let her decide on the gun... She needs to be comfortable with it.. not one someone else decided she should have...I know the range I go to with Classic will let you try any gun they have in stock... so check that out as well before she buys one... Take her to the range and try all the different guns.. Remember ..SAFETY, SAFETY SAFETY

    Personally I would go with the .38 snub... the only automatics I have liked so far is the 1911A1...


    One woman's opinion
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  • IconoclastIconoclast Member Posts: 10,515 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    You didn't say if the handgun would be only for home defense or would also be a CCW weapon. If strictly home defense, I would go with the .357, loaded with +P ammo. If for both uses, then a hammerless or shrouded airweight. I 15th the ideas of improving the security of the apartment (& etc.), a revolver with a new shooter, making sure she is comfortable with it, and it fits her well. May I suggest you look into RBCD ammo for her? Understand where you're coming from. My daughter moves away next month, to college. No firearms, rural area, but still I worry.
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  • NighthawkNighthawk Member Posts: 12,022 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Stasticly a novice gun owner feels more secure with the simple use of the Revolver.




    Best!!

    Rugster
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  • JimFJimF Member Posts: 9 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Eric:

    Kudos for taking the responsibility for training sis.

    I'm in the process of training a woman to shoot myself, here's what has worked for us.

    She has fired my M-342 2", M-60 3" and M-686 4". She likes the small frame and the weight of the M-60. We go off into the woods rather than to a range, so that we can make the training a game, and so she is not intimidated by the atmosphere, and the typical knuckleheads that inhabit an organized range.

    Keep the range really short, and the loads mild for a while. Challenge her to hit a paper plate @ 10' in five seconds. Then try for two hits in 10 sec. etc. You will think of a lot of ways to develop challenging tasks that breed hits rather than misses. Don't load the gun for her, let her do it. Have her change the targets, etc. and be totally involved. Let her control the agenda. Dollars to krispy kreme, she'll be asking you to take her shooting, instead of you dragging her.

    $0.02 worth...JimF
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  • homer4homer4 Member Posts: 128 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Since it's for home defence and not personal carry, and depending on her body frame and the newness of a handgun. I suggest a 4" 38spl loaded with Win 135gr +P HP Silvertips.

    "...Abby someone""Abby who"..."Abby Normal"
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  • Matt45Matt45 Member Posts: 3,185
    edited November -1
    If this is for home defense and not for concealed carry, have you considered a 20 Ga pump gun loaded with 00 Buck? Other than that, yup I'd say the snubbie .38 is a good route, and I have heard alot of recommendations in the past on this board in regards to the Ruger SP-101.

    Reserving my Right to Arm Bears!!!!
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