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Is Saudi Arabia our friend?

4GodandCountry4GodandCountry Member Posts: 3,968
edited August 2002 in General Discussion
I say nay, I believe them to be an enemy to the American people and our way of life. They teach hatred and intolerance in their schools, they hate Americans and blame us for all the worlds problems. The only reason that our government excludes them from the (axis of evil) is oil/greed...What say you? Friend or foe?

When Clinton left office they gave him a 21 gun salute. Its a damn shame they all missed....
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  • mudgemudge Member Posts: 4,225 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Not no way.....not no how! If they had any ponds, they'd be pond scum.

    Mudge the watchful

    I can't come to work today. The voices said, STAY HOME AND CLEAN THE GUNS!
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  • GreenLanternGreenLantern Member Posts: 1,647 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Both! We rely on their oil and they rely on our military support/presence. Friends out of need rather than desire.
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  • Gordian BladeGordian Blade Member Posts: 1,202 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Not.

    Isn't it funny that we are supposed to be so tolerant and understanding of their religious and cultural views when they come here, but when we are over there we can't wear a cross, let women drive, read a bible openly, etc.?
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  • NighthawkNighthawk Member Posts: 12,022 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    There about as much our friend as a Snake and a rat!!I believe we will soon find that out.

    Rugster
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  • He DogHe Dog Member Posts: 51,593 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Rugster, the snake eats rats, he is your friend. Does it really matter whether they are our friend? We seem to need their oil, they seem to need our military protection. We have certainly had worse partners. Are they Americans or fans of Americans? No. On the other hand we call them pond scum and generally regard them as primitive, backwards tribes (Well, OK they are, in fact the whole country is a tribe with incalculable wealth). They don't see us as friends, we don't see them as friends, so what? If it ain't your buddy Bubba, you should kill it? If you think the world is black and white, you are color blind.


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  • 4GodandCountry4GodandCountry Member Posts: 3,968
    edited November -1
    If it aint ol buddy Bubba kill it? Hell ye! lol...They are not a friend, they are as much an enemy as Iran, Iraq or any other country that secretly conspires to commit terrorist acts. Its just that they are sneakier and better at hiding their true intentions...

    When Clinton left office they gave him a 21 gun salute. Its a damn shame they all missed....
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  • TrinityScrimshawTrinityScrimshaw Member Posts: 9,350 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    HELL NO THEY NOT FRIENDS OF OURS!

    I don't care if gas goes to $4 a gallon, we should add them to the list of countries that need to have the crap kicked out of them. Just look at the 9-11 situation, 15 of the high-jakers were from Saudi. They hate our guts, and anyone who backs us. Why do we * foot around with them? Money, that's why! We should be drilling our oil in Alaska, and making them a big parking lot. We could use their oil to help pave their desert. Then we wouldn't have to worry about having a place to land planes in that region.

    Just my two cents worth...

    Trinity +++

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  • dads-freeholddads-freehold Member Posts: 1,361 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    greetings, because we live in a world market system we make the mistake of believing that certain peoples are allies. just because we trade dollars for crude does not make us friends. and just because we trade together doesn't mean we have a mutuial agreement to protect one another. trade doesn't mean we owe them anything or vice versa. we barter with them because we crave their crude, they trade with us because we have a stable economy and pay our debts. if thats the definition of friends, well anythings posible in this pc world. friends, no to many idealilogical differences, trading partners,yes...somewhat loosely. respt submitted dads-freehold
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  • IconoclastIconoclast Member Posts: 10,515 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Purely an economic relationship which is waning in its importance. As alternative sources of energy become available, as alternative technologies emerge (as the bio-diesel industry in particular grows), the Saudis, and indeed all the Arab / Islamic nations will become increasingly marginalized. I look forward to the day when they can rant & rave all they want while we accord their opinions the respect they deserve - not much to none. They tried to use their oil reserves to coerce our foreign policy . . . with some measure of success . . . but those days will end in our lifetimes and they will revert to their historical status as insignificant bit players in the sideshow of the world stage. I believe the Saudi royal family is pretty desperate at this time to mend the fences, but cannot because of the huge number of religious zealots throughout the Arab / Islamic world. They tried to play both sides and in the end have no allies. Too bad, so sad.
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  • He DogHe Dog Member Posts: 51,593 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Well put Iconoclast!

    A balanced diet is a cookie in each hand
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  • Judge DreadJudge Dread Member Posts: 2,372 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    NO , NIET! , NEIN, NAH!!! ,RAGHT , RIET! , NOMEN !

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  • garandfangarandfan Member Posts: 271 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    NO way, and I would love to see the day that we go in and get rid of Saddam, then our oil can come from Iraq and then those Saudis will have no leverage on us. It's no surprise they don't want us to attack Iraq, if that happens, they can kiss their oil money goodbye.

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    effectual means of preserving peace"-George Washington
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  • mudgemudge Member Posts: 4,225 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I wonder how long it'll take the Saudi's to come "suckin" around when Russia starts pumping some serious oil. Then it's gonna' be, "How can we be of service?" "What can we do to help?"
    That's when we show 'em where to kiss.
    They need our money more than we need their oil. We can buy oil elsewhere. They couldn't replace the U.S. market.

    Mudge the vindictive

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  • 4GodandCountry4GodandCountry Member Posts: 3,968
    edited November -1
    Amen guys. Here is my scenario, the naysayers say it will cost the U.S. X amount of dollars to sustain a war with Iraq. I say we tell them up front, the war will be paid in full with Iraqi oil. It wouldn't cost us a cent. I would bleed their country dry. Then lets see them finance nuclear weapons and biological weapons.

    When Clinton left office they gave him a 21 gun salute. Its a damn shame they all missed....
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  • BullzeyeBullzeye Member Posts: 3,560
    edited November -1
    The Arab world has chosen to base it's very existence, foundation, and government on vast religious tomes which it then proceeds to violate as it chooses.

    The one thing they seem to hold most dear (No wars against Arab brother nations) has been violated so many times it's ridiculous.

    Arabs, and more specifically, Arab nations, do not understand the concept of "alliance" or "cooperation" as Western nations do.
    An alliance is something to be milked until it is no longer totally advantageous to them, then abandoned immediately. Cooperation is tolerated until a more profitable means is found. Often that means is attacking the very nation they've been cooperating with.

    Someone once said "Friendship in the Arab world cannot be bought, only rented". It is never truer than today. Saudi Arabia totally forgot about loyalty to the US the minute the Iraqi army surrendered. We were no longer of immediate use to them. Now they are kissing Saddam's * because he wants to buy their oil.

    You can call me a racist if you want. But I think history has shown that Arabs are utterly untrustworthy and intolerable as partners.

    Here's a fable:

    One day, a man found a rattlesnake lying on his doorstep near death. Out of compassion, he took it into his home and nursed it back to health. The man sheltered and fed the rattlesnake as it slowly regained it's strength. Then one day, the rattlesnake suddenly bit him on the heel and poisoned him. "Why did you bite me?" the man asked. "I took you in when you were sick and nursed you back to health. Why do you kill me now?"

    The rattlesnake just smiled and said "You did know I was a rattlesnake, right?".
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  • agloreaglore Member Posts: 6,012
    edited November -1
    Russia is already the worlds largest oil producer. Just can't find a good way to export it.

    AlleninAlaska

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  • sodbustersodbuster Member Posts: 2,305 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    FOE!!!!!
    We have NO FRIENDS in the middle east,,,none,,zip,,zilch!!!

    "Just my opinion."
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  • allen griggsallen griggs Member Posts: 35,692 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Asa Hutchinson, who Bush has chosen to win the War on Drugs, spent 3 million of your dollars during the Super Bowl to run ads which stated that drugs support terror, because the Taliban was growing opium in Afghanistan. Whatever rupees the Taliban ever made from opium, it is nothing compared to the millions of petrodollars that Saudi and Saddam have pumped into the middle east and elsewhere to blow up innocent people. Last fall in a speech that was not reminiscent of Churchill or Lincoln, Bush said that you are either for us or against us in the war on terror. The Saudi telethon raised 100 million in oil dollars for Palestenian terrorists, therefore Saudi Arabia is against us and we should bomb them like we are destroying the poppy fields of Afghanistan. But the Saudi petrodollars come from us every time we buy gas, therefore all Americans who drive cars support terror. The F-16s which bomb Afghanistan are flying on Saudi oil so they support the very terror they are destroying.

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  • Patrick OdlePatrick Odle Member Posts: 951 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Saudi's are islamic or muslim. Thats answer enough for anyone with the inteligence equilevent of a half rotten turnip.
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  • muleymuley Member Posts: 1,583 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    They are the enemy just like all the other sand people.
    muley

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  • HAIRYHAIRY Member Posts: 23,606
    edited November -1
    When it comes to international politics, may I suggest no country has any friends, only allies of the moment. Example: Great Britian (did she invade us?); Germany (a bit of difficulty in the past, wouldn't you say); Japan (we applauded her surprise attack on Russia's Port Arthur, but were disappointed with her attack on Hawaii); Israel (ask a US sailor about the USS Liberty incident). Don't forget France!!!

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  • Dyer_MakerDyer_Maker Member Posts: 1,018 ✭
    edited November -1
    They are are only a friend of convience (oil). I say we just take over all the middle east. None of them can be trusted. They are all Americas enemys.
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  • DonldDonld Member Posts: 741 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    You guys scare me, especially when certain jerks decide that the Muslim faith automatically makes one evil. I have plenty of reservations about Islam and Muslims (and Christianity and Christians, and ...add any religions you like here, I'd run out of space), but I'm probably the only one on this board who actually knows several hundred Saudis, not to mention dozens of Egyptians and United Arab Emirate citizens, and I've found the vast majority to be decent, friendly individuals. Sure, I flew into a silent rage many times during my decade plus in the area when I saw a mutawa haranguing people in the souk for not being in the mosque during prayer times, and I had my share of encounters with arrogant Saudi a**holes, but the fact that I am able to remember each individual incident would seem to indicate that they were relatively rare.

    Yeah, there are lots of Saudis who hate us, and even the ones who don't have reservations about us too, so it didn't surprise me that the extremists were able to recruit many of them, but it sounds as if most of you guys are willing to turn the kingdom into a black-glass covered parking lot with several million little ash heaps crumbling in the wind for the sins of those individuals. I will gleefully destroy those who attack us, and I took an inordinate amount of joy when the asinine volunteers who rushed off to aid the Taliban and A-Quaida were smashed so thoroughly, but I will never seek the destruction of anyone based on his religion or clothing.
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  • Warpig883Warpig883 Member Posts: 6,459
    edited November -1
    They cook GREAT goat meat

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  • cowdoccowdoc Member Posts: 5,847 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Donld i completely agree with your post.
    I know a guy who told this to me couple years ago ...he was in iran(he was in the millitary) back when they was our friend, he told me that the common people there were very nice liked america and all would like to live here or to live like we do.(but living under tyrants like they do they never will beable live like we do) he said that they would invite you into their home and feed you all you could eat, took you in just like you was family.
    But i would be one of the first in line to hunt down the ones that have or intend to do harm to this country!!
    doc
    ps i think that they sit there and wonder when we will come and help then be rid of the tyrants that control every part of their live and finally get pissed off when we just talk the talk but never walk the walk. flame suit on and zipped up.


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  • nunnnunn Forums Admins, Member, Moderator Posts: 36,085 ******
    edited November -1
    No, they are not our friends. Never were, never will be.

    Yankee imperialism was a good thing, and should continue. We should make U.S. Territories out of the oil-rich nations who would still be in the stone age were it not for Yankee dollars buying their oil.



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  • Matt45Matt45 Member Posts: 3,185
    edited November -1
    I have to agree with Donald and CowDoc, The common people in MOST of the third world countries I have been to are good people, however the powers that be do seem to play both ends against the middle and are NOT to be trusted fully.

    An interesting sidebar to this is the story regarding the F-16's we sold Iran prior to the Ayatollah's takeover. The Iranian Air Force enjoyed a 90-95% operational readiness rate and after the takeover, about a week later or so, none of the aircraft was flightworthy. No one is really sure if it was the American Technical support team that sabotaged the planes or if it was loyal supporters to the Royal family, but the fact was, they didn't, and still, do not fly.

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  • 13FOX13FOX Member Posts: 61 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    They should be bending over backwards to help us in any possible way. They wouldnt even have the ability to get the oil out of the ground if it wasn't for us. What has happened is the governments of these countries we help do little or nothing for their people. They take the monies we give them in foreighn aid and waste it frivalously or hoard it away in case they are dethroaned. The people are angry because they have no future to give to their children and their own governments are to blame. They are eager to blame anyone for their situation so they use the rich and powerful U.S. as a patsy. The whole region needs liberated from the people who teach them to blame us in order to hide the truth. Their own corrupt and greed filled leaders are the blame for their problems. The people may not be our enemies but their governments are.
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  • Patrick OdlePatrick Odle Member Posts: 951 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Go ahead call me a jerk. This is one jerk that has enough good sense
    to not turn his back on any arab. everyone may very well do as they please but they get no sympathy when they end up with their throats cut or a knife in the back , and have every right to publically display their level of intelect or lack therof.

    I have spent a great deal of time amongst the arabs also and have learned that trust of any arab is for the fools that do not know any better.
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  • BushobiBushobi Member Posts: 107 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    JUDGE DREAD..Don't hold back brother tell us how really feel..
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  • BullzeyeBullzeye Member Posts: 3,560
    edited November -1
    quote:
    Go ahead call me a jerk. This is one jerk that has enough good sense
    to not turn his back on any arab. everyone may very well do as they please but they get no sympathy when they end up with their throats cut or a knife in the back , and have every right to publically display their level of intelect or lack therof.

    I have spent a great deal of time amongst the arabs also and have learned that trust of any arab is for the fools that do not know any better.


    A-MEN!

    They are an inherently dirty, backstabbing, and uncivilized group of people.

    The only reason they are not gibbering like tree apes and running around in loincloths with stone axes is because of what modern nations GAVE them.

    If we could somehow totally isolate them from the rest of the world, they would be killing each other and looting the cities within a few days.

    In their case, ignorance is so hopelessly inerred in their culture, theres no point in trying to extract it and turn them into something more progressive. The plague is too far spread and too well accepted.
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  • RugerNinerRugerNiner Member Posts: 12,636 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    HELL NO !

    Remember...Terrorist are attacking Civilians; Not the Government. Protect Yourself!
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  • boeboeboeboe Member Posts: 3,331
    edited November -1
    I sent a message to my congressman weeks ago telling him while we are in the area, we should rescue the American Citizens they are holding hostage. That is, the children who have been kidnapped by their father and forced to live as second class citizens there.

    As far as I'm concerned, a war on Saudit Arabia would be justified simply because they are holding American Citizens against their will.

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  • dads-freeholddads-freehold Member Posts: 1,361 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    greetings, i'm in favor of taking as many of their cities as the number of saudi tango's in 9-11. i believe they deserve it more than iraq and iran both, altho i have no great love for them either. respt submitted dads-freehold
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  • IconoclastIconoclast Member Posts: 10,515 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Donld / cowdoc, intellectually I'm sure you are correct. At times, however, when one sees the live footage of the common people dancing in celebration in the streets at the death of innocent Americans, it terribly difficult to be so objective.
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  • offerorofferor Member Posts: 8,625 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Baaaaa-hahahaha!

    But seriously folks, stop and think what the word "friend" means on a personal level and you'll realize they are not our friend, exactly. That would be way overstating it. Sometimes they can be an ally on some matters, but I would not say we have the history to call them our friends. That is not to say that individuals cannot be friends, but we're talking countries or societies or governments here, I assume, so no, there are still too many variables in the equation.

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  • cowdoccowdoc Member Posts: 5,847 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    iconocast when i posted guess i was just thinking as a parent of small children and the nuke the whole mid east deal and thinking what the parents over there must want for their children ,i cant imagine they want their children to grow up to be suicide bombers ect, but i could very well be wrong though.
    although on 9/11 i had the same sentiments toward the mid east also...my first thoughts were to turn the whole mid east into a plate of glass also.
    what would be ideal is to round up all the extremist and their tyrantical leaders and put them on a desert island then drop a nuke that would'nt bother me a bit,guess i dont know what % of the population that would be maybe it would be a large %. this whole mid east deal is just one big cluster f%%^ that needs to be fixed but i have no idea what the answer is to fix it.
    doc

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  • cowdoccowdoc Member Posts: 5,847 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    iconocast when i posted guess i was just thinking as a parent of small children and the nuke the whole mid east deal and thinking what the parents over there must want for their children ,i cant imagine they want their children to grow up to be suicide bombers ect, but i could very well be wrong though.
    although on 9/11 i had the same sentiments toward the mid east also...my first thoughts were to turn the whole mid east into a plate of glass also.
    what would be ideal is to round up all the extremist and their tyrantical leaders and put them on a desert island then drop a nuke that would'nt bother me a bit,guess i dont know what % of the population that would be maybe it would be a large %. this whole mid east deal is just one big cluster f%%^ that needs to be fixed but i have no idea what the answer is to fix it.
    doc

    I dont give my guns without somebody getting hurt!
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  • lokdok1lokdok1 Member Posts: 383 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    No,I don't think they are our friends.I think they will just keep using us for as long as they need us.Our friends would allow us to use their military bases, wouldn't they?
    I taught Saudis and Iranians for 3 years when I was an instructor at Naval Base Norva Electronics School, a long time ago.
    Soon the Iranians classes were terminated, shortly thereafter the American hostiges were taken. I didn't know fluent Arabic then, but I knew enough to know what these students were whispering at the lab tables and it's not what friends would say about their hosts.

    Bartman
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  • Matt45Matt45 Member Posts: 3,185
    edited November -1
    Iconoclast-

    Point taken and noted-

    Just like most current and former service members, I wanted to wipe out anyone who was Haitian after the disaster in Mogudishu, just as much as I wanted cruelly torture anyone who wore a turban after last September. The think I've come to realize although every barrel has a bad apple, it's just that some apples are more rotten than others, and in other barrels the decay has spread further.

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