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trooperchin
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OK guys, was talking with a former PI/Bond Enforcment officer. Got to talking about his ammo choices and he said that he used black talons...but with a twist. HI said that he would put a couple of drops of mercury into the HP and then cap it of with candle wax. Sorta like what the main character did in Jaws. Anyway I got to thinking while i was mowing the grass today that it woudnt work. I figure this because of the tremendous heat generated by the round going down range would melt the wax before it got to the target and themercury would fly out. Is my conclusion right? Help?!
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HOWEVER, anyone who loads personal defense rounds like this would be a pure and simple IDIOT. I can't beleive that a bail enforcement agent (bounty hunter) would be so stupid. A lawyer would have a field day with that scenario. With all of the sophisticated medical and lab techniques that exist in this day and age.....it would not go un-noticed that such a round was used.
Save that stuff for a TEOTWAWKI scenario and nothing else.
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it sounds more like premeditation, more like
an offensive sort of thing.
Using succinylcholine chloride (lightweight powder) in a large hollow point caliber wheelgun is much more effective and (nearly) impossible to trace, as well as (almost) never tested for anyway. The larger caliber hollowpoint allows for enough room for an effective dose. The inevitable argument to follow is that with the larger caliber the dosage may be unnecessary but perhaps you need to be sure and this combo creates lethality even in a minor wound.
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Them ducks is wary.
As for your question about the mercury falling out because of the wax melting. Even if the wax melted (which it may not, given the relatively short time span involved in the bullets flight), I would be tempted to think that the mercury would go no-where, given the nature of the substance and the forces involved. The wax would be more of a pre-firing way to keep the mercury in place. Just my take on it.
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I have heard of garlic being used the same way.
I have heard about the garlic/gangrene theory also, from a LEO.
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I recall reading about the mercury thing in the book version "Day of the Jackel" in which the Bruce Willis movie was patterned after. A far better book than the movie, and I didn't think the movie was all that bad.
Never tried it, never knew of anyone who did. I think the theory was that the wax didn't matter and that foward momentum kept the heavy mercury in place, and the sudden stop caused it to disperse rapidly, and as mentioned, poisoning the victim. A HUGE liability, and a very stupid move.
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But I think he mentioned that he tried wax at first, but used a soldering iron to close the projectile with soldering metal/tin.
The wax was only there to hold the mercury into the projectile when chambering it or just handling it - as I understood it.
The wax have no use after the bullet being fired - as the acceleration presses the mercury into the projectile and holds it there.
If the deceleration can cause the mercury to squirt out - or if the airpressure on the tip of the projectile will hold it in, I don't know.
I wouldn't recommend shooting something like these altered.
Such a heavy liquid in a barrel, if the wax doesn't hold, can't be good.
But I heard it did "wonders" on a 2*4" wood and a house brick.
Don't do anything that I've allready done - That'd be just plain STOOOOOOPID.
The mercury will disapate into the lead over time, making it all mushy (technical term
As far as "waxing" a hollow point, the theory is that the wax filling will push back into the core and begin the expansion sooner (just like to "tipped" rifle bullets IE: Rem. Bronze-point, Nosler BT etc)
Some guys like a mag full of lead, I still prefer one round to the head.
Ricin is made from the same plant that we get castor oil, the castor plant which grows everywhere down south. Tom
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Anyone who would do a dumba** thing like this is putting a whole lot of innocent folks at risk. Besides the shooter and the shootee, any unfortunate bystanders run the risk of exposure. What about emergency medical personnel? Stupid, stupid, stupid. Trooper, if you see this idiot again, go the other way. At best he is an idiot or a liar, at worst he is dangerous.
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Tends to create lots of infection, and make you smell, or at least your bullets like pee.
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Them ducks is wary.
It actually irritates me to see the negative news coverage (like the incident here in Phoenix) because they portray the idiots as an example of what's wrong with the idea/profession.
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The idea is actualy to increase expansion/fragmentation of the bullet. The heavy liquid is supposed to tear off/open the front of the bullet, leaving 2 halves. See Nanooks post for how to prep the bullet, and my earlier post for the downsides (esp. the limited amount of time it's effective).
Overall, leaving the bullet just as it came from the factory is the most effective. All the other things (steel BB, wax, mercury, powder and primer, etc) just sound good to Hollywood and wanna-be's.
Some guys like a mag full of lead, I still prefer one round to the head.
Exactly my point![:D]
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