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Do you believe in the Supernatural?

NighthawkNighthawk Member Posts: 12,022 ✭✭✭
edited August 2002 in General Discussion
After viewing Saxons Ghost,I wonder how many of us believe in the Supernatural?I usually work the 8PM-4 AM shift.If I have time I will drive through some of the remote Graveyards to run off teens,and make sure there is no vandalism.As we have had alot of Headstones getting busted up,so usually if its on my own time I will drive through.One in particular we have had complaints of people parking and drinking and generaly disturbing the peace.For some reason this place always gives me the creeps.The graves are old,some marked with old rocks,some engraved some not.Every time I drive up that one lane up hill road I dread what comes over me.A feeling of unease I always hate going up there and turning around.Ive never seen nothing there but it reminds me of the guy that has the Russian SKS.I know the liveing is the one that might one day get me,and Im prepared for that.But I dont want no part of this Ghost stuff.That picture and the SKS story has shed new light on old possibilities??

Rugster


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  • MercuryMercury Member Posts: 7,840 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I don't know about Saxon's picture, but I firmly believe there is *something* else out there. What, I don't know. But I've experienced it twice (at the same location) and thats enough for me.

    Merc



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  • Judge DreadJudge Dread Member Posts: 2,372 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    If you ever see me in person .... THATTT will be Supernatural!!!!!
    Your chances are 5,000,000,000. to 1 .

    JD

    400 million cows can't be wrong ( EAT GRASS !!! )
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  • allen griggsallen griggs Member Posts: 35,690 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I experienced ghosts in our house for 4 years so I do believe in them. Whether there are evil ghosts or demons, which can do harm to humans, I don't know. Gosh, Rugster, your story reminds me, there was a graveyard in the little town where I went to college. I used to go down there late at night with a 6 pack, a blanket, and my girlfriend, who happened to be the District Attorney's daughter. I'm glad the police never caught us.

    "Not as deep as a well, or as wide as a church door, but it is enough."
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  • RosieRosie Member Posts: 14,525 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    NOPE
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  • LowriderLowrider Member Posts: 6,587
    edited November -1
    I believe it 100%, and have several experiences in my life too strange to pass off as coincidence.

    Lord Lowrider the LoquaciousMember:Secret Select Society of Suave Stylish Smoking Jackets She was only a fisherman's daughter,But when she saw my rod she reeled.
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  • DancesWithSheepDancesWithSheep Member Posts: 12,938 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Why do we hear "Do you believe in the supernatural?" but never "Do you believe in calculus?" or "Do you believe in gravity?". Probably because mathematics and jumping off a ten story building both have verifiable, predictable, repeatable results that apply to EVERYONE-- regardless of what we believe.

    There's a big difference between something being true because we believe it and something being true whether we believe it or not. The Question is: Is SaxonPig's photo an example of the former or latter kind?



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  • oldgunneroldgunner Member Posts: 2,466 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I don't think so..I have had a few things happen in my life that were hard to explain, but I think they could have been if I had the necessary facts to go on. I have an open mind, but I believe that anything unusual must be proven to make it a fact. I have yet to see proof of ghosts. I'm willing to believe, but ya gotta show me. So far that hasn't happened.

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  • DonldDonld Member Posts: 741 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Definitely. It's real life I don't believe in.
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  • lokdok1lokdok1 Member Posts: 383 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I believe that if you want to see spirits, you will see spirits.Those who don't believe, will never encounter the supernatural.

    Bartman
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  • 4wheeler4wheeler Member Posts: 3,441
    edited November -1
    No!

    "It was like that when I got here".
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  • daddodaddo Member Posts: 3,408
    edited November -1
    Could be that I've been reincarnated from a confederate soldier, as I had sickening flashbacks when I was very young- too real to ignore and very emotional. Saw and felt the fear,hate,sadness,sorrow and death that comes on the battlefield. Ghosts? Could be!
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  • Go JoeGo Joe Member Posts: 36 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I do. I would call it more super spirital than super natural. There is a group of folks who saw a dead guy come back to life. They could even see the spirit when it came back to life. It sat with them and even talked to them. It was really strange. They even wrote a book about the incedent. I read it and have to say it really brought some things to light. They said if you call on this spirit that it will indwell you and it can do things through you that you can't imagine. So I tried it one night and man, oh man, they were right! I have had some strange things happen that you just can't explain. The dead are never really dead as we know it. They just transform to a different body. If you want to read the book you can pick it up at most book stores, it's called the bible.

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  • pickenuppickenup Member Posts: 22,844 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Yup.

    If I knew then, what I know now.
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  • sfettysfetty Member Posts: 349 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I believe in God and God is supernatural. I believe we are surrounded by spirits because the Bible says we are.
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  • idsman75idsman75 Member Posts: 13,398 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Sometimes I wonder about an incident that happened to me when I was 16 years old. I was watching television in the family room of my parents' house and the only light that was turned on was the light in the hallway. It is operated by a VERY heavy switch. When that light switch is flipped it required a good bit of effort and it makes a VERY loud clicking noise that can be heard through the entire house. The noise is very distinct and recognizable. My parents were at work and my brother was at the babysitter's house. I was watching television and I heard the very loud unique clicking noise of the light switch in the hallway being turned on and off several times. I froze and could notice that the light was also going on and off. Each time the light went off the television turned off as well. When the light came back on the television came back on too. My bicycle was sitting on the front porch. I raced out of the house locking the front door behind me and I drove that bicycle as fast as I could for about two miles up the bike path that runs parallel to the Mississippi River in Minneapolis. It didn't even dawn on me that I was being soaked with rain while I rode. I just knew that I couldn't get far enough away from that house. I never told my parents but I didn't go back into the house until they got home that day.

    Growing up I had certain chores to do around the house in the summertime. On Fridays I had to vacuum all of the carpets in the house. My parents had an old Hoover. I actually enjoyed vacuuming. My pickup is never orderly inside but I like a clean home. There was one thing that disturbed me during the same summer as the previous incident. Whenever it rained I could hear a moaning noise in the house when the vacuum was running. It would vary in volume and it disturbed me to the point where I would shut the vacuum off several times throughout the process of completing my chores. I never heard the moaning noise again after the lightswitch/television incident.

    I have never believed in interaction between the physical and the supernatural. In spite of my past and present disbelief I DO know that I had the living begeesus scared out of me.
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  • michael minarikmichael minarik Member Posts: 478 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    August in Nebraska is hot and humid, down right miserable.

    On August 18th in 1963, I was 15 years old, ten days before my birthday. I would then be old enough to drive.


    I was in my grandparents back yard when my Grandmother opened her back door and called to me. I ran over and stopped on the bottom step. There are 6 steps. I looked up at her and and I saw a white foggy apparition behind her and at the same time a c-o-l-d wave of air went thru me and I felt cold! I simply froze and stared at her. I could only see.

    When I mean froze I mean all my physical motion stopped! Only my brain via my eye sight comphrended the moment.

    I was given insight to the supernatural right then but I did not know it nor was I able to associate it nor compare it with any human experience upto that point in my short 15 years on this planet!

    If I did I could and would have changed the coming event.

    After 10pm but before and 11 pm[10:20- 10:40) THAT night my Grandfather and Grandmother were both dead.






    Edited by - michael minarik on 08/25/2002 17:35:44
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  • n/an/a Member Posts: 168,427 ✭
    edited November -1
    I dont beleive in ghosts, but if I ever see one, Im gonna run

    "A wise man is a man that realizes just how little he knows"
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  • nunnnunn Forums Admins, Member, Moderator Posts: 36,085 ******
    edited November -1
    God is supernatural. Jesus is supernatural. The Holy Spirit is supernatural.

    All supernatural means is "above nature." There are lots of things that fit that definition.

    How about a miraculous healing of an illness? When the doctors who made the dreadful diagnosis now scratch their heads and wonder what happened, that is supernatural. No natural explanation.

    I believe in God, the Creator of the universe. I believe in Jesus Christ, the Son of God, who was miraculously conceived, and who lived as a man. I believe that Jesus was supernaturally resurrected from the grave. I believe that Jesus conquered death so that all those who believe on Him can also conquer death. I believe in the Holy Spirit, a gift from Jesus, that lives within the believer to offer comfort, wisdom, and other gifts.

    I also believe in angels, created beings that act as God's messengers and do His will. I believe in Satan, also known as Lucifer, who rebelled against God, and was thrown out of Heaven along with a third of the angels who followed him.

    I believe in these beings because the Bible tells me they are real, even though I have not ever actually seen God, or Jesus, or an angel. I have felt the presence of the Holy Spirit, but it cannot be seen.

    I have not seen a "ghost," so I don't believe in them. I have seen pictures on Art Bell's website that purport to be those of ghosts, but it is easy to tell that the majority of these resulted from camera or film problems. I saw SaxonPig's picture, and I don't know what it is, nor would I hazard a guess. Some people believe that ghosts are the spirits of the dead. I find that to be counter to Scripture. Some say that ghosts are deceiving evil spirits, or demons. I don't know. If I ever see a ghost, and if I can keep my wits about me, I will ask it in the name of Jesus to identify itself and to acknowledge that Jesus is Lord.

    The closest thing to a psychic experience I ever had was when I was in high school, and it was basically a remote viewing. I was sitting in class, daydreaming. I saw a short vision of my niece, who was just over two years old, by the open door of her parents' car. As she walked to the door, a Copperhead snake struck and bit her on the leg.

    This was on a Friday morning. My dad had gone up to our place in Arkansas a day or two earlier to prepare for a long weekend. My sister, her husband, and their daughter also went up a day early, since they were off work. My younger sister and I had school, so we were to come up that Friday evening with my mother.

    When we got to the place where we turn off the highway to go down to the place, Dad was sitting there in my sister's car waiting for us. He told us that everybody was at the hospital, that my niece had gotten bitten by a Copperhead that morning.

    They had been to town for groceries, and were unloading them. My niece never could stand to see a door open, so she went over to the car to shut the door. When she did, she apparently stepped on a very large Copperhead and it bit her. It was about 30" long. It was big enough and she was small enough that it only hit her with one fang.

    I actually "saw" the event at the time it was happening, from about 200 miles away. It has never happened again.



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  • idsman75idsman75 Member Posts: 13,398 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    nunn--I hold a similar system of beliefs and I had an experience that was similar to yours but not quite so tragic. My brother is in his third year as a Cadet at West Point. I went there for two years so I am familiar with the layout of the place. Shortly after he arrived there I was back at Fort Drum where I was working as an investigator. I was laying in bed halfway between sleep and consciousness when my "mind's eye" began to travel. I was floating through the streets of West Point until my consciousness entered one of the many barracks buildings that are spread pretty far apart. I "wandered" up the stairs and into a room and saw my brother typing on a computer in the dark. Apparently this was his barracks room. I called him that weekend and asked him how his first week went. He told me that he had been swamped with homework from the first day and was spending late nights awake typing past the hour where all lights and computers are supposed to be shut off. I asked him what barracks building they had him staying in. He told me and I was shocked with disbelief. That was the exact building and floor where my "mind's eye" had taken me. I had never lived in that building and had only entered it once in my first year there as a Cadet. Could it have just been a dream? Sure. I have to wonder why my dream took me to that particular building when there were a whole host of others to dream about.
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  • allen griggsallen griggs Member Posts: 35,690 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Idsman you had a case of astral projection. I have a book which trains you how to do it, which I got off the Art Bell show. I have tried but have never been able to do it.

    "Not as deep as a well, or as wide as a church door, but it is enough."
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  • ccasey612ccasey612 Member Posts: 901 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Yes I do. I have seen many things in my short 21 years of life that I can not explain.

    If you will blame gun makers for every shooting then blame car maker for every car accident.
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  • nunnnunn Forums Admins, Member, Moderator Posts: 36,085 ******
    edited November -1
    Here is another one.

    My wife's grandmother was dying of a heart attack. She was in the back seat of the car being held by her daughter (my mother-in-law) while my father-in-law drove them to the hospital.

    Grandma was in a lot of pain and showed it. Suddenly, the pain apparently eased up, her face became peaceful, and she then opened her eyes wide, and said, "It's so beautiful!"

    And then she was gone.

    Does anyone wonder or doubt what she saw that was so beautiful while she was making the transition from this life to the next?



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  • He DogHe Dog Member Posts: 51,593 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    NO!

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