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DCM Issue: Can Anyone Confirm or Deny This?

BullzeyeBullzeye Member Posts: 3,560
edited January 2002 in General Discussion
I recently read a document that I found very interesting, and I was wondering if any of our resident DCM experts might shed some light on the truth.It was complied by one Richard M. Bash in January of 1989, and was written on the letterhead of Combat Arms Co. out of Castro Valley, CA.It explained, in great detail, how it was perfectly possible, if you met certain requirements and did certain things, to: "obtain a genuine U.S. military M1 Garand directly from the U.S. Army for just $165.00".The requirements included being a member of a DCM-sponsored shooting club, and participating in at least 2 DCM matches.Mr. Bash explained all of the letters you had to write and permits you had to apply for to be eligible to purchase the M1.It all seemed to be perfectly authentic.If anyone can concretely deny or confirm this, I'd be much obliged.P.S- I'll send anyone who wants to see it a copy of the file.
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  • Miss. CreantMiss. Creant Member Posts: 300 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    This is very old news. The DCM is now called CMP and yes Garands are still available. I just checked and the cheapest complete Garand they offer is $400.00 for the Danish issue. Next up is $500.00.Here is the link http://www.odcmp.com/
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  • gskyhawkgskyhawk Member Posts: 4,773
    edited November -1
    Bullzeye, on page 28 of the jan 2002 shooting times their is a add about owning a Garand, by going through the Civilian Marksmanahip Programpo box 576Clinton, Ohio 434521-888-267-0796 www.civilianmarksmanshipprogram.com hope this helps
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  • beachmaster73beachmaster73 Member Posts: 3,011 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    bullzeye....The price has gone up from what you read. The DCM was the Army's Director of Civlian Marksmanship, It then became a nonprofit self sustaining organization called the Civilian Marksmanship Program. The prices have only gone up since then and will continue to climb. But having the CMP paperwork and the CMP box literally adds an instant $125 premium to the value of your rifle. It ensures a follow on buyer that your rifle wasn't being thrashed around for 45 years in Korea or Thailand, but rather sitting serenely in an Armoury like Anniston Alabama for those same 45 years. You could actually buy a DCM rifle in the late 50's for I think $27. It went up a little over the years and as late as 1990 the cost was under $300. Now of course the cost is a little more. The other neat thing is that when you order it if you let them know you really want to shoot it they generally will go out of their way to get you a rifle with that grades out at less than 1 or 2 in throat erosion. You will then be able to get lots and lots of enjoyment out of the rifle. Beach
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  • Miss. CreantMiss. Creant Member Posts: 300 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Beach, the days of them picking and choosing a rifle for you are gone. They say not to even ask. It is a garantee that all the rifles they sell have been trashed around Korea, Europe and the South Pacific. It is very rare to get one with good wood anymore. They are all refurbished, refinished and rebuilt. CMP even tell this on their site. Like I said earlier the cheapest they have is $400 for complete rifles. I got mine last year and love it. The wood is horrible with gouges scrapes scars but no cracks. The finish if fair to good and the accuracy and function are excellent.
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  • beachmaster73beachmaster73 Member Posts: 3,011 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Miss Creant....Your comment is not true at all. You just include a polite letter asking for something specific and if they have it they'll get it for you. That is as of this fall. I got a beautiful Springfield Armoury L-K rebuild that I told them I wanted to turn into a 1000 yard gun. A Korean War Vet friend of mine told them he had a Winchester with a serial number of whatever during the Korean conflict and asked if they could get him a Winchester with a number close to it. They did. They really are not faceless people there; they care about pleasing you and getting your return business. If you give them a couple of phone calls before you buy and then let them know when you are sending your package in they'll try to come through for you. I agree the days of getting a pristine M1D with scope and cheek piece or an all matching numbers Winchester are gone foreverbut my experience has been that they are the most cooperative and helpful people imaginable. Beach
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  • borderguyborderguy Member Posts: 387 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Bullzeye, The letter was true. In 1988 I paid $169.00 for a Winchester Garand. I had to be a member of an NRA sponsered Gun Club and shoot in just one high-power tournament. The club even provided the ammo. It took about 6 months to get the rifle, due to a background check, but boy, it was really worth it!!! Wish I'd have kept the box and paperwork though......
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  • ed in il.ed in il. Member Posts: 18 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    borderguy your story sounds like mine i got one around then for the $165,shot in one just one match, got fingerprinted by the local police,waited about 2 years to get it,threw away the box like a big dummy,and have never fired it.but i have fondled it on a regular basis....its a winchester also....
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  • Miss. CreantMiss. Creant Member Posts: 300 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Beach I only go by what CMP saysDo not expect "new" condition or unissued rifles in any grade. Orders are filled on a first-come first-served basis. Rifles OF ALL GRADES, INCLUDING COLLECTOR GRADE, are packed for shipment purely by "luck of the draw". The CMP CANNOT ACCEPT ANY REQUESTS FOR SPECIFIC MANUFACTURERS OR VARIATIONS. The bold type is theirs not mine. You can find this at http://www.odcmp.com/Services/Rifles/m1garand.htm about halfway done the page.happy Garand shoting
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  • beachmaster73beachmaster73 Member Posts: 3,011 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Miss Creant.....Understood. If everybody started asking for specific weapons I'm sure the CMP would limit what they do when someone makes a specific request. I have had exceptional luck, then, with very polite letters to the CMP which were prefaced with phone calls. My only point was despite the disclaimer to "luck of the draw" the humans down there do a great job trying to give you what you want if they possibly can. And I guess I've always been a believer that if you don't ask the question the answer is always "No"; if you ask the question the answer is sometimes "Yes". Beach
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  • simonbssimonbs Member Posts: 994 ✭
    edited November -1
    I think you can get more than one.
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  • beachmaster73beachmaster73 Member Posts: 3,011 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Saxon Pig....I guess there is always a chance that you can get an "Anzio Annie" instead of a relatively nice one. But if you let them know what you want...ie a shooter or one with nice wood or a Winchester or a late Springfield or whatever... they would try accomodate you. Wrost case scenario is that you get one you really don't like and you have to sell it for about $100 more than you paid for it... Honestly though I don't think you will be disappointed in any CMP rifle no matter what their disclaimer says. Beach
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  • AntiqueDrAntiqueDr Member Posts: 691 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Hey Beach! You remind me of an uncle of mine back when I was in short pants. He would approach literally every female he met and just straight out ask, "Hey, do you wanna ****?" Of course, he got slapped. A LOT. I asked him why he kept doing that and getting slapped so much, and he said "Because it only takes one."
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  • mudgemudge Member Posts: 4,225 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Got a DCM Garand in the late 80's or early 90's. ($265) Outstanding condition. Had a very rare stock. Traded the stock to Scott Duff for some matching wood and a bunch of parts. When DCM was holding the M1D lottery, I was lucky enough to win one ($650). Got in a money tight and had to sell it ($1350). (You may take numbers to kick my *.)They're just damn fun to shoot. 300 yards is about the maximum effective range for me, though. One of the reasons they were replaced was that a GI rarely engages the enemy at rangeslike the M1 can achieve.Mudge the Garand lover
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  • beachmaster73beachmaster73 Member Posts: 3,011 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    AntiqueDr...I've never been slapped! Call me lucky! But what prompted your comment? I've always considered myself an eternal optimist and it seems to pay off. Beach
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  • madminutemadminute Member Posts: 68 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I'm going to look into this M1 thing....My curiosity is piqued.....Like I said in another topic, it's one damn big log to hump around in the bush, but a way cool piece nonetheless. But the fate of the M1 Garand was sealed when the first german stg 44 assault rifles hit the scene (shape of things to come indeed), and after a study by the then War department (DOD) concluded that infantry combat rarely occurs at ranges greater than 100-300 yards, and usually he who flies the most bullets in the air wins. So the writing was on the wall for smaller, lighter, and more ammo capacity....hey, lay an AK-47 next to an stg 44, and just go "Hmmm, them Russkies learn pretty quick..."
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  • AntiqueDrAntiqueDr Member Posts: 691 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Well, Beach, that was when I learned that if you dont ask they'll certainly never say yes...
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