Need Some Suggestive Power Here!

Bullzeye

I've finally saved up enough bread for the SAR-1 I've been lusting after for so long.The price it's at now is the lowest it's ever gonna be, I figure, unless the laws get rolled back.I'm old enough to legally buy it, of course, but the problem is with my father.He's been a long time shotgun, rifle, and pistol owner. He has a large collection which he enjoys greatly, and which I hope to inherit some day. However, for some reason, he's always deeply disliked "black guns", or as he calls them, "Rambo blasters". He sees no need for them and no use for them. This includes the AR-15, the L1A1, any AK-47 variant, and anything else that looks like it was designed to use full-auto fire (even if it isnt and never was).It took a lot of persuasion, a lot of forced information, and even a slight tad of "I'm 18 and I'll do as I please!" to get my SKS. But he still doesnt like it.The first (and only) time I brought up buying my own SAR-1, he vehemently insisted that neither the rifle (nor myself if I buy the rifle) would reside in his house.Now, I really want this SAR-1, but I dont want to disrespect him by buying it behind his back. I know I can buy the rifle, but I just dont know if I should. I figure, my option are:1)Buy it, let him know I've bought it, store it in a storage unit, never bring it to the house, and face whatever irritation or anger he might have.2)Same as 1, just DONT tell him.3)Forget about buying it until I move out.Problem is, I plan on going to college and I know for a fact that there are very few colleges that permit firearms on campus, so that would nix living on-campus (which would save me a lot of money).So please, I appeal to you gentlemen.[This message has been edited by Bullzeye (edited 01-11-2002).]

William81

Honor thy Father and Mother.....I believe that is true for a life time...It is especially true when you live under their roof and most of your needs are supplied by them...JMHO...

Bullzeye

That is my primary concern. Which is why I asked the question.

beachmaster73

Buy a match M1A and join a CMP competition rifle club. After he sees you are going for precision in your shooting he should come around to the SAR as your next rifle. I was amazed when my son told me he wanted to shoot the single shot Anschutz instead of the Remington Nylon 66. He's 13. I let him shoot them all now. Precision is the key with older farts. Beach

Bullzeye

Problem is, I do have the $300 necessary for the SAR-1.What I do NOT have is the $700+ necessary for a match grade (or any grade for that matter) M1.Correction: The lowest I saw on gunbroker was $980. WAYYYY more than I've got or will have for a long time.[This message has been edited by Bullzeye (edited 01-11-2002).]

Nate

I know where you are coming from, my father as well doesn't like the assault type guns. He doesn't even like the 18" barrel I have on my Rem 870. I am 20 and in college, the school I attend does allow weapons on campus. You must register your weapons with the school. You are allowed three weapons, and a knife with a blade longer then 4" is considered a weapon. So your 3 can be taken up pretty quick. My solution was to move off campus, but my father made me buy a safe for my apartment. Now I am free to buy whatever I want, but I still try and keep him happy. I don't buy anything with out consulting him first. I also keep most of my collection at home still, my safe is pretty small.I would wait a while to buy your AK, you don't want to make your dad to mad, I know you are over18 and can do whatever you want but are you paying for your own college?

concealedG36

Well, I think you should obey your father. Believe me, when you get older $300 won't be that big of a deal. And, even if the SAR you want goes up to $600 (100% appreciation) by the time you can store it in your own place, it'll STILL likely be within your price range. I butted heads with my dad for a long time. Then I left home at an really early age, which was very hard. Today I wish I would have listened more...Just my opinion. Good luck,G36

He Dog

While I also see no need for such rifles, I think that is an opinion, and cannot really support your fathers ban based on his opinion. However, it is his home so the rules are his. This may not be PC, but I think that children or young men living at home are not entitled to equality, but certainly deserve fairness. So, I would say honor thy fathers wishes even if they seem a little cockeyed and wait until you are the man of the house and then buy what you want. If you keep saving that money, you will surely have enough when the time comes. My father and I butted heads for some very stressful years, and I too moved out young. 35 years later I reget my bullheadedness which matched his. You seem to be a young fellow who thinks through what he is doing and asks for help making the decision. I was neither that honorable nor that smart when I was your age and you have my admiration.

Lowrider

Don't tell him OR the college.

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royc38

I know what he will let in the house. A M1 Carbine. Buy that and you won't have to put a blanket in the doghouse. You can dress it up and 30rd mags are available and slowly you can bring him on board to the hi capacity speed. After that the Ars and Aks will be welcome additions to your family.

Bullzeye

Two issues with that:I already have a 30-rnd. mag for my SKS. For some reason he doesnt take offense at hi-cap mags, just the appearance of the firearm itself.I dont want an M1 Carbine. As I've stated previously, I think it is a)inaccurate and b)lacking in punch. Plus it's a good $100 more than a SAR-1.

royc38

I can agree with you on lack of punch, but accuracy is better than you think. Don't sell the M1 Carbine short. They are very reliable, they don't beat you to death and they will drop 4 legged animals and two legged animals. I have a strict GI that can hit 3" to 3.5" groups at 100 yards. I doubt a stock AK can do that. I was not a big fan of the M1 carbine at first but shoot one and you will fall under the spell. Now if you are concerned about magnum power then the Carbine is definelty NOT for you. Good luck and hope this helps.

SXSMAN

I must agree again with beach,take a look here. http://www.odcmp.com/ Look at sales.Nice shooter for 500.It will go up in value and being young you won't mind the kick as much.Should appease your paw too.

GreenLantern

I'd say buy it and store it at a friend's house ....... if your friend is a responsible person and isn't going to blab about it. Your dad's entitled to his opinion on the firearm, and it is his house, but I think he's out of bounds when he says that even if you buy it and store it somewher else you can't live in his house. If the gun is not in his house, it really shouldn't concern him. The way I look at it is if you don't buy it now you'll wish you did later because it'll probably be harder to get and cost more. Plus, there may come a time when you'll still have the money but you'll have higher priorities, i.e. wife, kid, house, etc.

Bullzeye

Any idea what a little bitty 5x5 storage unit costs?One particular company advertises $35-$45. I'm guessing that's probably monthly, but I'd be far happier if it was yearly.

Iconoclast

Bullzeye, listen to Beach; his advice is always good and insightful. JMHO, but you should *NOT* under any circumstances buy it and hide it from your father. It's a trust issue. From your prior posts, it sounds as though you have a good relationship with him & this is not worth jeopardizing that. This is a matter of taste disagreement in which he has said "beyond this point, no," but he compromised to let you have the SKS. He bent, now it's your turn to defer to his wishes. This is not the one-of-a-kind, "if I don't get it now I never will" opportunity. When you have your own place, you will be able to march only to your own drummer, but for now it's a duet. Hard to be patient at 18. I remember it like it was last century - and have three teens who constantly remind of both facts.

.250Savage

Lot of factors to this one, Bullzeye...First, know that I can't buy one. They are illegal in Kalifornication(for now). Wish I could. They are not getting any more legal, or any cheaper.Second, as others have said, never lie to your folks. This never causes anything but grief, grief that can go on for years. It ain't worth the pain and disunity within the family.Third, then, I would buy the gun, adopt a "don't ask, don't tell" policy with your ole man, and keep it off-site. As others have said, an understanding friend is perfect. If you don't happen to have access to one of them, live off-campus. Believe me, speaking as one who lived in a dorm for a year while attending college, you will be MUCH happier, unless you like constant noise from atomic stereos, drunken parties, and young guys with testosterone poisoning. If nothing else, remember the modular aspect of these rifles is one of their strengths. Who can object to a rifle with it's bolt stored elsewhere? Just my $.02...

RUGERNUT3

I was a rebel of sorts, bull...but always showed at least, a great consideration for my mom and dads(god bless em) whishes...now that they are gone....I'M VERY GLAD I DID.Say buddy, when you move out...I just bet you and your dad can come to terms with this issue...to YOUR liking. For now,,,I would go with most everyboy here and be cool about it...and maybe work on a little gentle persuasion? you asked..so..

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Gordian Blade

Here's another opinion you should consider: Don't go behind your father's back, he will eventually find out and that will hurt your relationship. (Been there, done that on both sides.) Tell him you consider it an investment and you would be willing for him to keep it for you under lock and key until you graduate from college. Tell him if he wants he can let you shoot it when you're home visiting, or not, but it's his choice. That way, your father will feel in control of the situation, you get the gun you want at today's price, you keep a good relationship with your father, and (here's the sneaky part) the camel's nose is under the tent and I bet he'll be curious to shoot it himself, maybe when you're not around.If this doesn't work, don't buy it and don't bug him about it. When you're an adult, earning your own money and paying your own way, you can get whatever you want. If you have to eat cornflakes and hot dogs for a month to afford it, so be it. There are a lot of guns out there, but you have only one father.P.S. - I recommend living in the dorm at college at least the first year. It's too big an adjustment to have to set up your own housekeeping as well as get used to the higher standards of college studies. (I assume you aren't headed for a "party" school.) Then get an apartment as a sophomore or junior once you know the ropes.

roshau

What good would the rifle be if you can't even gte it out and admire it without having to drive to a storage unit?