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Screwed: Need advice please

InlawsNoutlawsInlawsNoutlaws Member Posts: 15 ✭✭
edited February 2002 in General Discussion
Hi guys and gals! Thought someone out there might be able to give me some advice on this matter. A little over a month ago I sent a fellow 475.00 to purchace a handgun. E-mails were prompt and phone contacts were as they should be. I mailed a US Postal Money Order and ink signed FFL out the next day and waited.....and waited....checking with my FFL for this item to arrive. I sent several e-mails inquiring about the time (its been over 25 days at this point). Phone calls etc. never producted any results so I contacted the postal service and they gave me the necessary paperwork to fill out a claim against this person. I filled them out and sent along requested info and e-mails,contacts, etc. Today I recieved a letter outlining what the postal service had done. Basically what the letter said is that they were mailing this guy a letter (very nicely worded by the way) informing him that he should refund my money in 45 days or they were going to start a file on him. Since they apparantly don't have any record of him doing this before it isn't any big deal to them. Any help on what my next step should be would be greatly appreciated. I thought that the reason you were advised to send a US Postal Money order was that it is a crime to commit mail fraud. The way this is taking place it looks like it is a crime at a certain point(ie nce you have done it enough). To me that is what is wrong with law today. Criminals get away and honest people pay. This ever happened to anyone else? Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks for your time! Shoot Straight!
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  • v35v35 Member Posts: 12,710 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Was the sale a result of an ad or auction?Does he have a history?I'm also in this process but only out $40.
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  • pops401pops401 Member Posts: 616 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Did you get the gun through GB? I think there is insurance for this. If so, check with Admin.
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  • adminadmin Member, Administrator Posts: 1,079 admin
    edited November -1
    If this is an regards to an auction at GunBroker.com that you bid on and won then click 'Fraud Claims' from the 'For Buyers' page to file a fraud claim. The GB staff works to resolve these matters and the purchase is insured if the matter cannot be resolved.
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  • CZECHMATE2CZECHMATE2 Member Posts: 203 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I think there is something in the firearms laws about this problem. You might want to check with the BATF.
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  • InlawsNoutlawsInlawsNoutlaws Member Posts: 15 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Thanks for your questions and concern. This was not a result of a Gunbroker auction. This was a private transaction from a "for sale" listing. I have bought several items from Gunbroker,other auction sites and E-bay. I have a A+ rating from all transactions and have had very good experiences from internet auctions. This is why this is so suprising to me. On large ticket items I have always used US Postal Money orders because I thought that would be a deterent to theft of my funds by a seller. Almost everything I have purchased, large or small has been perfectly described and the transactions have been administered very professionally. I am really disappointed in the way the Postal service will be approaching this situation. I was under the impression that theft by deception using the postal system was a federal crime. From the correspondence I have had it is not nearly as bad as a parking ticket as long as you don't make a habit of doing it regularly according to the postal service. Thank you Admin. for the advice about fraud insurance. I think that is a BIG step in insuring that the auctions (buyers and sellers) are covered at this site wich I use on a fairly regular basis. I guess I'm just mad because so little is done to punish the crooks in the world. In my uninformed opinion the solution would be: (US Postal Inspector tells ripoff artist) "give the man his money back and then you are going to jail for about 3yrs.for trying to advance your criminal activites by using a federal agency to aid your commision of a crime" end of discussion. If crimes were handled on the federal and state level in this way this would send a message to the crooks that if you "play" then if caught you will "pay". I know this sounds harsh to some. Funny how you can get in trouble with federal law by using lawfully, rights that were guaranteed you in the US Constitution. But a crook can get off basically free without even a hand slap in our society unless he decides to make a "habit" out of it. I guess I'm just mad because I just got this letter from the postal service today so excuse me for venting. Thanks for the replys and if anyone else has any suggestions please let me know. Thanks again for your time! Shoot Straight!
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  • COWBOYKIDDCOWBOYKIDD Member Posts: 239 ✭
    edited November -1
    I bought a M1 Garand and it took about 4 weeks. The reason was the item wasnt marked with my name cc ffl holder. When I do a transaction I usually ask for a contact number and call to verify before I send funds. It makes me feel better to talk to the person before I send money. Good luck
    Thieves in 3 piece suits = Politicians,Doctors & Lawyers
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  • GreenLanternGreenLantern Member Posts: 1,647 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Hope you get this resolved in a way that works out for you. Whether it's $40 or $400 it's still hard earned money. The postal services response really blows. But I suppose they don't see this type of thing as a priority when there's much bigger fish to fry, so to speak. Guess that's why I always try to do transactions with credit card. I might pay they extra 3% but I just factor that into the cost of doing business on big ticket items.
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  • beachmaster73beachmaster73 Member Posts: 3,011 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    InlawsNoutlaws....this doesn't have to do much with your particular problem, but knowing the guys here at GB makes me feel pretty safe entering into a private transaction with them. I think for the regulars here our good name is even more important than it might be for some E_bay type bidders. I have purchased several items privately from guys here and never been jacked around. Now that I think about it I've also sold a couple of items to guys in our GB circle and I don't think they were disappointed either. In some way I'd like to think that being a regular and misrepresenting your item or failing to ship it after payment would be the most embarressing thing that could happen to a regular. Talk about embarressment..I'd crawl under a rock and die if I shorted someone and he complained about it.The only problem I ever had was when I won an auction and received my item. The seller had included an additional item for someone else in my box. Since the other guy's address was in my box I forwarded it on to him and wrote the seller what I did. The seller promised to reimburse me for the shipping charges...and never did. I guess I don't have much to complain about in that regard. Anyway I hope your transaction works out. BeachP.S. God I'm rambling again...I guess it's time to go to bed.
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  • InlawsNoutlawsInlawsNoutlaws Member Posts: 15 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Thanks to all that responded! Beachmaster73 you said it all! This is a great site and I've had the pleasure to deal with some of you in the past. Never a problem. To tell the truth about everything I have purchased has been BETTER than described. Think I'll hang around here more often. Beachmaster you have integrity and thats a very important virtue these days!GreenLantern you are correct also, I think the postal service has their hands full right now and I appreciate all that their hardworking people do. My local postal worker is the best I've ever had. Even puts my mail in a plastic bag when its raining even though its in the mailbox. The credit card use is also something I hadn't really thought about since I don't use them much but its a pretty good form of protection. I'm going to push this a little harder tomorrow with the postal inspector. I'll keep you guys posted on what I find out. Again, thanks for taking the time to respond and give me some good advice. Again, Thanks to everyone! Shoot Straight
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  • RancheroPaulRancheroPaul Member Posts: 1,459 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I had a Postal Money Order get lost in the mail for $350. First of all, I had to pay the Post Office to check on it...only a couple of bucks, but why did I have to pay? Then after I paid, information would be provided within 10 days. I wanted to know if it had been cashed. It had! Person I sent it to never got it, (so they said). Asked the Post Office to do something about finding out if it had been forged by someone or if I had been ripped off with a lie. Was told the following: "If the Money Order is cashed and it was, they were under no responsibility to do anything further." Basically, they didn't care who cashed it or why. They said the people cashing the Money Order were responsible to make sure the person was who they said they were. Right!Anyway, two years later, still out the money, didn't get the gun, Post Office doesn't give a s--t, and I will never buy another Postal Money Order again! Oh yes, Cashier's Checks from a bank can have payment stopped and be re-issued within 24 hours. Postal Money Orders take 60 days before they will cancel one and replace it......Great, huh? Use your Credit Card....payment can be stopped very quickly, efficiently and easily!
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  • InlawsNoutlawsInlawsNoutlaws Member Posts: 15 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    RancheroPaul, same situation here. They gave me a number to call to verify the money order had been cashed which it had by the person I sent it to. Took about 7 days to verify that the money order had been cashed day after it was recieved. Live and learn I guess. Credit card now seems like a good alternative. I have found that alot of people don't want certified funds bank checks because they can be forged easily but they could always call the bank before shipping! Hope this ripoff artist finally ripps off the wrong guy someday....maybe Dano II on a bad day or something to that effect! lol!Shoot Straigh!
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  • InlawsNoutlawsInlawsNoutlaws Member Posts: 15 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    excuse me all SHOOT STRAIGHT! thats more like it.
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  • magnumcreekranchmagnumcreekranch Member Posts: 35 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I have had a few that have taken what I thought was very slow, 3 weeks. After that I would go looking for the guy. I only know one way to stop this type of rip off. Go get em. Most figure you will just let it go.
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  • InlawsNoutlawsInlawsNoutlaws Member Posts: 15 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    The funds were recieved by the seller on Dec.4,2001. He's had long enough. I've had several transactions where it took longer than expected but emergencys come up and business gets extremely busy and forget something. This is truely a rip off. I've spoken with him on several occasions before getting the postal service involved and he just laughs cause I guess he knows he's getting away with it? Shoot Straight
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  • RugerNinerRugerNiner Member Posts: 12,636 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I'm in Construction and people are always trying to rip the small independant Contrator off. I carry a baseball bat, glove and ball. The glove and ball are decoration. Just in case I get questioned. I have freinds that carry metal bats because they don't break, but I beleive in wooden bats so you can burn them if necessary.
    Remember...Terrorist are attacking Civilians; Not the Government. Protect Yourself!
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  • YankeeClipperYankeeClipper Member Posts: 669 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Check for honest mistakes also. I thought I was out a small amount but the guy went on vacation and I lost everything to a virus and the guy was fuming when I got back on line.
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  • salzosalzo Member Posts: 6,396 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    RugerNiner- The glove and ball will not help you. I was questioned by state troopers while I was pulled over looking at a map, and in my backseat was baseballs, cleets, a mitt, and a baseball bat. They were especially interested in the bat. So interested, they decided it was appropriate to search my car. I was young anbd stupid and stood there mute. Now things would be different-Im old and stupid.
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  • v35v35 Member Posts: 12,710 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I think there are only a couple of Postal Inspectors and they are too understaffed to enforce the laws. How about contacting his local P.D. or Small Claims Court before this thing ages?
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  • k.stanonikk.stanonik Member Posts: 2,109 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I agree with v35. the man appears to not have any intent on sending what he was sold you, took the funds. the big dillemma is, do you want to spend the money for legal fees or just remember not to deal with him. I personally would spend the money, it is the principal of the fact that most of us work hard for what we have , and this shmuck sits on his rear doing nothing and takes what we work for. This is my 2 cents, would not be surprised that he has done this befor.
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  • InlawsNoutlawsInlawsNoutlaws Member Posts: 15 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I agree with you guys. Local PD said call postal service. Small claims will entail I drive or fly 800mi.or so one way. The reason people do this kind of rip-off is because they get away with it. Sure is a shame that our courts system has gone this way. I'm still tryin! Shoot Straight
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  • idsman75idsman75 Member Posts: 13,398 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Looks like I'm out $40.00 for a similar reason. I posted a "Wanted" on the Wanted board here. The seller contacted me and told me he had the gun I was looking for and I sent him a deposit ($40). Now he won't return any of my emails. I live about 6 hours from his shop. I may just have to make a drive when I go on vacation in March just to make things interesting. $40 isn't worth a 6-hour drive but it's tempting.
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  • k.stanonikk.stanonik Member Posts: 2,109 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    in the case of the 40 bucks the law should be able to do some thing as long as you proove you gave it to him
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  • gskyhawkgskyhawk Member Posts: 4,773
    edited November -1
    inlawsNoutlaws you may as well kiss your money goodby, the postoffice will do nothing to help nor will the cops!! I had this very same thing happen to a friend of mine last May, there was this new seller here on this site ( said he was a auction service helping this store close down ) who had a lot of guns listed, my friend bid on on several and won 3 for a large amount paid with a postal money order , no guns shipped, no money returned , nobody helped, called FBI, ATF, filed with local PD and postal inspector and nothing has been done yet, so never ever pay with a postal money order -- ever!!!! they are just like sending cash in the mail, you can not put a stop payment on them and anyone can cash them at any time
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  • ThePaladinThePaladin Member Posts: 32 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Maybe someone in those locations could give you a hand in getting your gun or the money back. Any of them close to Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, Tenn?
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  • coltguycoltguy Member Posts: 3 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    My experience - made a side deal with some guy. He stiffed me for $1000.00.Called everyone; USP Inspector, State Attorney General, Police, ATF, FBI, etc. Finally obtained a lawyer through NRA and filed suit against the SOB. Yes it cost me money to get my money back but I'll be damned before I let the "gentleman" get away with it. In the future, if unsure of the party your dealing with try an escrow service deal. Its extra cost and paperwork but if your dealing with money you can't afford to lose it may be worth it. Most honest sellers won't have a problem with it.Good luck!
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  • InlawsNoutlawsInlawsNoutlaws Member Posts: 15 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Coltguy, my feelings exactly. I'm not gonna let this "gentleman" get away with my money. Its become a personal problem now and if I have to spend a little or alot I'm going to do my best to at least put him out of his illegal business. I'll just write it off as my contribution to society. I have found out in the past few weeks that police departments and federal agencys don't give a damn about a scam artist. But I'm still trying. Now that I've found out like what you guys said about Postal Money Orders, if thats not why some sellers say "US Postal Money Orders Only". Maybe they know they won't try to collect. I still can't believe getting the copy of the letter the Postal Service sent this guy warning him if he "did this again they would be forced to start a file on him". What a laugh. I'm pretty sure that if I decided to stomp my money out of him I wouldn't be told "if you do this AGAIN we'll be forced to start a file on you" Unbelievable! Thanks guys! I'll keep ya posted if I ever find out anything that can be done. Shoot Straight
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  • idsman75idsman75 Member Posts: 13,398 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Postal inspectors are a joke! Stuffed suits at best! The office in which I previously worked investigated misdemeanors primarily with an occasional felony. There was an incident (which won't be described in detail) involving an incindiary device and a post office out of our jurisdiction. The device was even mailed from a location out of our jurisdiction. However, the culprit lived within our boundaries and we did almost all of the work and the Postal Inspectors didn't even charge the guy! All they did was copy the paperwork that we generated and went home. I SERIOUSLY need that job. I think I could be in charge of their operations in a heartbeat. Then again, I'd probably be held back for showing too much initiative which would be construed as having a bad attitude. Hell, that's what my current chain-of-command is saying these days.
    SSG idsman75, U.S. ARMY
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  • InlawsNoutlawsInlawsNoutlaws Member Posts: 15 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    idsman, thats happening in all facets of society it seems. If someone tries to do a good job and earn their keep they are labeled overzealous(sp?)and too agressive. Bulls--t! You do your job and then hand it over to be prosecuted and it makes them look bad so its your fault. Been there done that! Apparantly haven't learned my lesson yet.... Shoot Straight
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  • mudgemudge Member Posts: 4,225 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Inlaws......You gonna' tell us where this guy is or not? If he's anywhere near me, I'd be glad to pay him a visit.Your friends here on the BB are all over the country and I'm sure a lot of 'em would be willing to do the same thing. Tell us where he is. I'm sure you'll get some volunteers.Maybe we could start with a few friendly phone calls and escalate the situation from there. Mudge the enforcer
    I can't come to work today. The voices said, STAY HOME AND CLEAN THE GUNS!
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  • VarmintmistVarmintmist Member Posts: 1,074 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Try talking to a laywer in your town first, if you cant get to his home town, you might be able to get a laywer IN his home town to write a letter "return recipt requested" to him, and if you have to, use the laywer to take him to small claims. As soon as you start remember that you will probably have to pay more than he owes you, but what price satisfaction?
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  • v35v35 Member Posts: 12,710 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Some years ago I had to leave a Ruger Mk1 as security with a sheriff in West Va as I hadnt enough cash with me to cover bond and a fine for fishing with an expired 3 day licence. After arriving home I sent a money order with a thank you note and waited 6 months in vain for the pistol. He wouldnt answer or return phone calls. Someone recommended I write the State Attorney a letter outlining the facts.The Atty Gen sent me a copy of the letter he wrote the Sheriff which said;"Mr V35 of NY has sent me a complaint, a copy of which is attached and is self explanatory," The pistol arrived two days from the date of that letter.In a separate letter the West Va Atty Gen told me he had no jurisdiction in the matterbut his endorsement of my complaint apparently bluffed the Sheriff into to return ing the pistol post haste.It might be worth a try in your case.
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  • competentonecompetentone Member Posts: 4,696 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    mudge,I've been watching this post and waiting for someone to suggest such.So far, "Inlaws" has told us nothing that would indicate the party he's dealing with is inolved in "fraud". So far, it is simply a CIVIL matter, a simple case of "breach of contract"--which is why the Postal Inspector is not involved.Fraud (a crime) needs demonstrated INTENT to rip people off--the easiest way to show that is by showing multiple victims. "Inlaws" is apparently unaware of the difference between the crime of fraud and simple civil breach of contract.Your offer to "get involved"--while noble in its intent--might only bring you trouble. What if "Inlaws" is having trouble with EX-inlaws and is going to send you off to make some "friendly phone calls" to his ex-father-inlaw--or worse yet, his ex's new boyfriend. This is probably not the case, but just be careful in your willingness to help.competentone the suspicious
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  • Judge DreadJudge Dread Member Posts: 2,372 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    A friend lost $100,000. dollars to a fraudbecause he was .99 less FBI did not take the case ......Just immagine for a $500 gun ....
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  • InlawsNoutlawsInlawsNoutlaws Member Posts: 15 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Mudge and others, thanks for the offers you guys are jam up for offering to help out and I appreciate that very much. I would rather not get someone else involved in my bad fortune. No use getting anyone in any trouble. Competentone, I admitt I know very little about the law or lawyers by my own choosing. I'm sorry that you are suspicious of my motives for return of my money, however, you are correct you know nothing of me. Thats understandable. I do, however, know the difference between right and wrong and taking someone's money is what I call a ripoff. Frankly, I could really care less what a judge,lawyer or LEO calls it. So why don't you send me a money order for 475.00 without recieving anything in return and we'll just call it a "simple breech of contract". Thanks again for all the responses and offers. I'll just keep you posted on what transpires. I didn't get on here to argue a point, just to ask if anyone had any suggestions and you guys have helped me quite a bit! Thanks to all! Shoot Straight
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  • LowriderLowrider Member Posts: 6,587
    edited November -1
    I'd pay this dude a little face-to-face visit. Wouldn't care if it cost me twice as much as I'd already lost. I wouldn't let ANYBODY rip me off and laugh about it.
    Lord Lowrider the LoquaciousMember:Secret Select Society of Suave Stylish Smoking Jackets She was only a fisherman's daughter,But when she saw my rod she reeled.
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  • competentonecompetentone Member Posts: 4,696 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Inlaws,Sorry. I wrote my comments quickly after lunch; I didn't mean to imply that you were not ripped-off in this case--nor did I mean to belittle your loss.But if you do wish for recovery of some sort, it would help to understand the situation you're in and why the Post Office is not involved. My comment, about the best way to demonstrate a person is committing fraud is to show multiple victims, is a good place to start. If you can find other people who this guy has ripped-off, and if he is using the mail (especially good if he's using a PO box to receive payment from people while conducting his scams) then you'll have a much greater chance of getting the Post Office, local law enforcement in his area, even his State Attorney General involved. Of course, whether or not he has any money or the handgun he promised you, is a whole new issue.This guy probably knows the law, and is careful not to attract attention from enforcement agencies; you'll do better dealing with him, if you also understand the law and can find someplace where he tripped-up.Basic investigative questions:Is he operating as a business?Where does he live? The same address you mailed payment to him? Who are his neighbors? Does the phone number you have match the address you have? (Simple internet search will tell you.) What sort of work does he do? Where does he work?Have you checked with the county to see if there are civil suits pending or judgements against him? What about criminal charges against him?Did he cash your MO or deposit it? Did he sign it over to someone else and have them cash it?Have you watched the site where you first contacted him for other activity by him? Have you, using different contact info. tried to enter into a transaction with him again through that site?Have you recorded the conversations (if it is legal for you to do so in your State) when you say you've called him? And WHAT EXACTLY does he say when you speak to him? (Most scam artists cannot be reached by phone after they get the money. That is what struck me as odd about your comments; it sounds like you've talked to him?)The fact that you know right and wrong (which is certainly admirable) normally won't get you through the messy details when dealing with people with low ethical standards. You've got to deal with them on their level--which will NOT include any sudden revelations on their part causing them to exclaim, "Gosh, I've done something wrong!" Low ethical standard people have no internal conscience--you've got to hit them with the gritty, external, practical details to avoid becoming one of their victims.Find the "practical" which will motivate this guy and you'll make progress.
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  • bhayes420bhayes420 Member Posts: 1,314 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Had this happen to me with a GB auction recently. 3 weeks ago bought a used 870 youth model. Sent the guy a cashiers check the next day and called my local FFL to have that sent to the seller. After about a week, I called the seller to check on the gun and he said he was yet to receive the FFL. SO...called the gunshop and they told me they got the FFL in the mail the day I called. Figured the mail was just slow, so gave it a few more days. 4 days later called the seller back, same story...no FFL, but he had cashed the check. To make a long story short, 3 days later the seller called back and apologized. The day after the auction ended, one of his employees had sold the gun I bought to an over the counter customer. To make it right, he had ordered me a brand spanking new in the box 870 youth, and shipped it out for the same price I bought the used model for. He also refunded my $15 shipping charge. Worked out great for me in the end, but wish the guy would have told me up front that the gun had been sold. But hey, I got a brand new 870 for $160 incld. my transfer fee! Can't beat that!
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  • InlawsNoutlawsInlawsNoutlaws Member Posts: 15 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Competentone, I appreciate your information regarding this matter and I thank you for the wealth of information you have provided. I'll list the answers to some of the questions that I have already found out. He is not in any type of business or does he work for one. Or work at all from what I have found out. When checking with the county they would not devulge any information about any pending or past history. Said that was confidential but I'm sure it is a matter of record somewhere. I working on that one. He cashed the postal money order on the second day after recieving it. No deposit. When called: he speaks with an accent, I'm not sure of his nationality, sounds Spanish but I'm not certain. He says one time that he has cashed the MO and is sending the money back to me in a week or so. Never happened. Then from that time on he says that he dosen't know what I'm talking about and to quit calling him.(laughing tone in his voice on all occasions). I have no problem getting in touch with him by phone or e-mail. He changed his e-mail twice during the first 2 weeks of my questioning where the gun was. In regards to e-mail responses he say he isn't some sort of a--hole and don't bother him along with telling me not to threaten him with the law or the post office or I will be sorry....and then another long list of 4 letter words. It suprised me also that I was able to get in touch with him so easily also. When after a week my firearm had not showed up at the FFL I began to politely communicate with him asking for my goods or a refund. After about a week of getting nowhere I told him that I would be forced to contact the authorities he said "go ahead" and so I stopped communicating with him and contacted everyone I could think of with very little results. Didn't record the calls but I will in the future. This is where I stand at the present. To anyone reading these posts please do not take this as to mean its dangerous to do business on the internet. I have been a customer of Gunbroker, and other auction sites and I can say that I have been treated most professionally by everyone I have done business with, both companys and idividuals. The reason for these posts is to try and provide an answer of what to do next in this situation and hopefully help both myself and anyone ever involved in this type of problem. This is just a case of: one bad apple can spoil the bunch.....and I'm trying to keep the apple basket fresh so to speak! I've already burnt up too much of everyone's time with this but if I can find an answer it may be worth it to us all in the future. Lowrider,Mudge and others.....you don't know HOW BAD I'd love to MEET this "gentleman" and explain the situation to him VERY personally. However, I'm going to give him and the authorites every chance to prevent that. Shoot Straight
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  • competentonecompetentone Member Posts: 4,696 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    First off, Court records are public information; I'd look into whoever is telling you anything about "confidential" court records!Accent? Hmm... wonder if your checking with INS would * him?I'd be cautious too if he "doesn't care" that you know he's commiting fraud--he might feel "protected"--like he's part of some gang? How old do you think he is?Is he in any major city with gang problems?
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  • BullzeyeBullzeye Member Posts: 3,560
    edited November -1
    $1,000 plus expenses and I'll have him on your doorstep in 2 weeks, trussed like a chicken.
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