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Petition: Depict Flag Raising at WTC as it Occurred (1/16/2002)

Josey1Josey1 Member Posts: 9,598 ✭✭
edited February 2002 in General Discussion
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Depict the Flag Raising at Ground Zero of the WTC Attack as it Actually Occurred! View Current Signatures - Sign the Petition To: New York City Council, New York City Fire Department We the undersigned citizens of the United States, and concerned citizens from other nations, hereby petition the New York City Fire Department and the City of New York as follows regarding the proposed statue depicting the raising of the US flag at ground zero of the WTC attack by firefighters on September 11, 2001. 1. Immediately change the proposed statue or replace it, such that the actual events of the flag raising are accurately depicted to show those firemen who actually raised the flag doing so. Use the famous picture, shown below, of the flag raising to acurately depict the flag raising as it occurred. 2. Cease all efforts to modify the historical record of that day in any way, shape, or form that would promote a so called "culutural diversity" or "politically correct" agenda of any type and simply present events as they occurred accurately for rising generations. This event is of great historical significance and has united the American people like no other. The only hope for future generations to avoid and/or counter similar events is for the historical record to be accurate. The only way to continue the unification created by those horrible events is to present them accurately and truthfully. To do otherwise will only promote disunity and aide the cause of our enemies. One might just as well try and depict the terrorist animals who perpetrated these attacks and those who aided and abetted them as choir boys and peace loving pacifists as to depict the heroic events of that flag raising as something other than what they were. The fact is, those enemies who attacked this nation were cruel, grossly evil and perverted in their actions and deserving of a harsh and just retribution for what they did. Thousand of innocent American and other lives were lost due to the twisted religious and ideological ravings of those whe pepretrated the attacks, thousands who were innocent of any crime other than trying to live their lives in freedom and peace. The fact is also that the events regarding the flag raising occurred as they did, without any thought to political correctness or cultural diversity. At that moment, the only thought was patriotism to our nation and devotion to the duty of helping the victims. To depict it in any other manner sullies an historical and a heroic act, and descrates hallowed ground. The American people will not stand for it. Sincerely, The Undersigned View Current Signatures http://www.petitiononline.com/flgraise/petition.html

Comments

  • badboybobbadboybob Member Posts: 1,658 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    C'mon folks. Less than 3,000 signatures so far
  • simonbssimonbs Member Posts: 994
    edited November -1
    What are they tryin' to change it to?
  • mudgemudge Member Posts: 4,225 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    The model of the statue shows 1 white, 1 black, and 1 hispanic. Mudge the infuriated
    I can't come to work today. The voices said, STAY HOME AND CLEAN THE GUNS!
  • simonbssimonbs Member Posts: 994
    edited November -1
    Oh, now I see. I should've known.
  • muleymuley Member Posts: 1,583 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    My wife and I are signed. #2815 & #2829. There's been enough changing of history for the sake of being "politically correct".
  • pikeal1pikeal1 Member Posts: 2,707
    edited November -1
    I signed it...passed it to a few people in the office...got about 6 to sign so far. pass it along folks.
  • whiteclouderwhiteclouder Member Posts: 10,574 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Ignore it for another six months and nobody will give a damn.Clouder..
  • Patrick OdlePatrick Odle Member Posts: 951 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    The cowardly way the P.C has changed thingsto apease Races,Gender, Religion or lack thereof,Sexual preference and anything elsehas been totally put in place by nothing more than hypocrites solely out of fear and not respect as is widely claimed. Soon after the WTC attacks before the start of an NFLgame on Sunday the singer so bastardised the national anthem that Had it not been for the familar accompanying music I would have been unable to recognize it. I think back to the brave men some Family some friends who freelygave their lives for our great country and wonder if they would have given so freely had they been able to look forward and seethe sorry state our country stooped to lower standards ,morals, ethics ,in the pretense of being inclusive. A grim reminder that liberlism, communism, mordern democrapism cannot be switched like turning on a light but must have years to fester and become the cancer that political correctnessis in totem.
  • Patrick OdlePatrick Odle Member Posts: 951 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    People that were born and raised to give a dam will relinquish that part of their beingthe same instance they breath their last breath. Caring doesn't age but lasts as long as the person who cares.Badboybobthe reason the signitures doesn't number more is the result of years of mis-guidence and cowards that out of fear stay as far from the truth as is humanly possible.
  • simonbssimonbs Member Posts: 994
    edited November -1
  • thebutcherthebutcher Member Posts: 374 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    This is the worst form of vile vomitous crap I... can barely type I am so angry.Our kids deserve better than this.
  • thebutcherthebutcher Member Posts: 374 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    What, no arabs? Are we going to leave women off, too? There weren't any native americans on there. Why don't we just put a kaliedescope up there.
  • 223believer223believer Member Posts: 128 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Could the point be that firemen of all races died in the attacks and that all should be represented? Are they saying that the memorial should be an exact representation of the event itself, or should sum up the whole event? To me this does not seem to a case like the USPS deleting Robert Johnson's cigarette in his stamp; that was done sheerly for political correctness and is historically inaccurate. If the memorial is to all the men who died, then perhaps it is intended to be a sum representation and not an exact representation of a single incident. Bear in mind that this sort of bending the facts is done ALL the time in heroic memorials. Does anybody really think Washington crossed the Delaware standing on the seat of a small boat in an ice-choked river?
  • whiteclouderwhiteclouder Member Posts: 10,574 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    223:You miss the point. George on the Deleware was an artist's conception, therefore he had a free hand. This proposed statue is based on a photo of an actual event. If they don't want to use that photo, fine, then stylize the image or make it completely abstract, but do not change history. They do it all the time but in this instance, the people, for now at least, are saying enough already. It's all politics anyhow so in the end it will not matter one whit what we want.Clouder..
  • thebutcherthebutcher Member Posts: 374 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    And are we to say that Asians didn't die, or any others? No women?
  • gunboobgunboob Member Posts: 203 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Just wait,...they prolly got plans to mess with the marine flag-raising on Iwo Jima too.In reguards to the New York fireman thing,....we might just have to make them out of wire,..y'know, stick figures....then, them that wants, can call 'em anything their little ole heart desires.Durn stupid and disgusting.Bob
  • idsman75idsman75 Member Posts: 13,398 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Actually, the Marine located farthest to the right on that statue is a Native American. Notice that they didn't go out of their way to give him long braids or beads. Also a recent immigrant from Africa who is working on his masters degree and working at a meat packing plant in Sioux Falls, SD recently took a 2-week leave of absence from work to depict the scene in his own style and interpretation. He used the same photograph that was used for this painting. His painting was to be part of some multicultural art exhibit that he was planning to show. Note, this gentleman is African and this gentleman was painting it for a "multicultural" art exhibit. However, all three men in HIS painting were white.[This message has been edited by idsman75 (edited 01-16-2002).]
  • Patrick OdlePatrick Odle Member Posts: 951 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Wouldn't it be politically correct to changeGroung Hog Day To Skunk Day? A skunk is black and white.
  • instrumentofwarinstrumentofwar Member Posts: 1,545 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I'd like to know how it is possible to depict another skin color on a statue, which is sculpted out of the same medium. The only way they could do that would be to get really stereotypical and give the black guy and hispanic (sorry i don't use the "aferican-american" or any other so called "whatever-american") some type of distuingishing mark or characteristic.Just my two cents worth.
  • pikeal1pikeal1 Member Posts: 2,707
    edited November -1
    speaking of the "african-american" thing, the other day I was in class talking to a classmate who hadn't gone the first day. He didn't know who the proffessor was, so I told him..."He's a small black dude with braids in his hair." Out of no where, some girl says "african-american" and kinda gives me a "who the hell do you think you are whitey" kind of look. funny thing is, the professor is neither african (he is jamaican) and he isn't american (he isn't a citizen). Go figure...i guess its true...PC=BS
  • Guns & GlassGuns & Glass Member Posts: 864 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    With all due respect, I personally reverse the words in Afro-American, to what I believe is more 'correct', they are..... American-Afro.Self describing, without racial issue.Also, prefer to be historically correct regarding the statue. Other statues maybe erected with as was correctly described, "a free hand".
    Happy Bullet Holes!
  • BullzeyeBullzeye Member Posts: 3,560
    edited November -1
    The term African-American is ridiculous.I'm Irish, but to call myself Irish-American you'd think I was born in Dublin. I'm not, I'm white.Unless you were born in Johannesburg or Nariobi or something like that, you're not African-American. You're black.Get the hell over it.
  • v35v35 Member Posts: 12,710 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Did these four firemen originate the idea of putting up the flag. If so,then how dare thewannabee multiculturalists try to get into the act and skim some of the glory of it?
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