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Mexico opposed to U.S. border fence
Teamblue
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Ain't this just too dang bad...
MEXICO CITY - Mexico warned Thursday that the U.S. proposal to build miles of border fence, which is working its way through the Senate, will damage relations between the two countries.
The Foreign Relations Department said it was "deeply worried" about the proposal, adding it will "increase tension in border communities."
"These measures will harm the bilateral relationship. They are against the spirit of co-operation that is needed to guarantee security on the common border," the department said in a statement.
MEXICO CITY - Mexico warned Thursday that the U.S. proposal to build miles of border fence, which is working its way through the Senate, will damage relations between the two countries.
The Foreign Relations Department said it was "deeply worried" about the proposal, adding it will "increase tension in border communities."
"These measures will harm the bilateral relationship. They are against the spirit of co-operation that is needed to guarantee security on the common border," the department said in a statement.
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"Keeping the illegals out will interfere with our plans to keep the illegals out." [:D]
My opinion...just too damn bad for Mexico...and all the weak-kneed native apologists also.
Barbarians !! [:D]
Well...we import billions of dollars of China junk every year...so I guess the famous Kristov theory we should invite a billion Chinese over here to our fair land...hmmm ?
My opinion...just too damn bad for Mexico...and all the weak-kneed native apologists also.
You just don't have a clue, do you?
How many miles of border is there?
What a JOKE.
If we can build a nation in Iraq, then we can help to stabilize an economy in Mexico...and that would bring tangible benefits to our society.
We have an immigration problem with Mexico, which has economic problems; we do not have an immigration problem with Canada, which does not have economic problems (even if we may have some ideological differences with that country). I draw this conclusion: countries without economic problems do not present us with immigration problems.
I say that the fence is practically indefensible. There are others on this board who could speak to this more intelligently than I, but I do know that much of our border with Mexico lies on VERY rugged terrain which--with or without a fence--is very difficult and costly to defend.
I say the answer lies in making Mexico a good neighbor. That's probably a pretty costly option. But in the long term, it may well be cheaper than an indefensible fence, even if it means that we spend the money to shore up the Mexican economy.
In the end, I think we have to recognize that all of the world's problems are also our own problems, because we now are in an age of globalization. It is no longer a moral issue to help our neighbors; I think it is now simply a prudent strategy to help our neighbors, because they are now the people most able to help us in this global economy.
I'm looking forward to reading the rebuttals you guys offer!
American prosperity was not earned overnight and was not guaranteed. If other nations want the same, it is up to them to aquire it on their own.
American prosperity was not earned overnight and was not guaranteed. If other nations want the same, it is up to them to aquire it on their own.
Fair enough.
But what if our prosperity is best defended by helping other nations to find their own prosperity?
I'm not suggesting we owe anything to anybody; I am simply suggesting that it might be in our best interest to aid a neighbor so that they do not present problems for us.
These people need to be shown in a harsh way that they lost that land and it is now part of our country.
Arrest them all! Make them live in Sherriff Joe type tent cities to pay for the crimes they have commited! Make them do hard labor building the fence to keep them out. And after they have served thier hard labor time deport them.
The fence should have military maned towers every 1000 meters with motion detectors between them. Military gaurds should have the OK to shoot any violators that are crossing.
We should shut down ALL tourist traffic to mexico untill such time they will also patrol the boarder to assist in keeping thier people in line.
Inside our country we shut down ALL welfare or aid of anykind to any illegal. Shut down ANY company that is caught employing illegals (we will have to provide an instant ID verification prosses for employers to verify ID of those hired before they can go to work). Also confenscate all assets of the companies caught hireing illegals.
I know it sounds harsh. But in order to stop this problem we need to be harsh, and stand our ground untill ALL requirements are met.
What good is a fence if there's no one around to guard it? Build towers at 500 meter intervals, closer depending on terrain, and put soldiers in the towers with orders to shoot anything that crosses the border.
The Cold War border between the former Yugoslavia and Austria had those towers, a one kilometer exclusion area, border gaurds who were authorized to shoot to kill and a whole lot more than that but my parents were still able to get across the frontier and escape into Austria. A fence won't keep anyone out of a place which they really want to get into.
The Mexicans are really pi$$ed off about our proposed border fence.
I'm failing to see what the problem is. Fences make awesome neighbors.
I read in the paper yesterday where some 'tard suggested that the border fence is the same thing as the Berlin Wall. What these liberal weenie candy-assed pussie types fail to understand is that the Berlin Wall was meant to keep people in, whereas our border fence will be meant to keep people out.
There's such a massive difference between the two, which is probably why it is difficult for liberal weenie candy-assed pussie types to understand.
I could only hope.
The Berlin wall was built to keep people in.... the USA/Mexico wall is to keep people out. And as for this harming immigration, the only immigation that will be affected is the ILLEGAL form.
The gap between those believing in a strong America...and those who don't.
The gap between those believing in a goverment that defends the borders..and leaves her OWN citizens alone...and those who don't.
The gap between those believing that corruption in goverment and business is evil...and those that don't.
Interesting times...witnessing the fall of an Empire..and watching the views of those that are supporting the fall.
quote:I read in the paper yesterday where some 'tard suggested that the border fence is the same thing as the Berlin Wall.
The Berlin wall was built to keep people in.... the USA/Mexico wall is to keep people out. And as for this harming immigration, the only immigation that will be affected is the ILLEGAL form.
I can swear I said that. In fact, if you read the next line, I did! [:D]
And giving Mexico aid to build their own economy up won't work because all the goverment officials are crooked.
Ain't this just too dang bad...
MEXICO CITY - Mexico warned Thursday that the U.S. proposal to build miles of border fence, which is working its way through the Senate, will damage relations between the two countries.
The Foreign Relations Department said it was "deeply worried" about the proposal, adding it will "increase tension in border communities."
"These measures will harm the bilateral relationship. They are against the spirit of co-operation that is needed to guarantee security on the common border," the department said in a statement.
I hope it destroys any relations between our countries. We can then invade, take them over, give them real money and have great vacation spots for the winter.
+1
I'd suggest we clearly delineate the border and place our fence somewhat back of the line. Anyone crossing the actual boarder into US territory would become fair game for whatever action we deem appropriate.
As to the Mexican side... They can do as they please. I'm really not too concerned if our neighbors to the south get a bit upset.
WHY IN THE HELL WOULD BUSH WANT TO STOP ANY ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS FROM CROSSING OUR SOUTHERN BORDERS WHEW HE WANT US TO ALL BE ONE BIG HAPPY FAMILY.
Solution: Annex Mexico, hell we already support it.[:(]
Giant sucking sounds coming from south of the imaginary border...
How many miles of fence?
How many miles of border is there?
What a JOKE.
How long was the Berlin Wall?
quote:Originally posted by p3skyking
American prosperity was not earned overnight and was not guaranteed. If other nations want the same, it is up to them to aquire it on their own.
Fair enough.
But what if our prosperity is best defended by helping other nations to find their own prosperity?
I'm not suggesting we owe anything to anybody; I am simply suggesting that it might be in our best interest to aid a neighbor so that they do not present problems for us.
Quit smoking that stuff Spurge -- If your next door neighbors were throwing BBQs in your back yard all the time with meat they got out of your freezer would you throw them off your property, or would you give them your grill and keep giving them meat to cook ?
It doen't matter what you do for them or give them until they're ready to change the way their country operates and fend for themselves it'll never get better -- Not to mention that there is so much corruption in their Gov't. that any aid would never reach the people that need it.
We've got plenty of problems of our own right here in the U.S. we should be working on instead of other countries problems.
We should secure our borders, deport the illegals and only let legal immigration continue.
quote:Originally posted by kristov
Really? No bull?? well, that's just swell!![:D]
quote:Originally posted by spurgemastur
quote:Originally posted by p3skyking
American prosperity was not earned overnight and was not guaranteed. If other nations want the same, it is up to them to aquire it on their own.
Fair enough.
But what if our prosperity is best defended by helping other nations to find their own prosperity?
I'm not suggesting we owe anything to anybody; I am simply suggesting that it might be in our best interest to aid a neighbor so that they do not present problems for us.
Quit smoking that stuff Spurge -- If your next door neighbors were throwing BBQs in your back yard all the time with meat they got out of your freezer would you throw them off your property, or would you give them your grill and keep giving them meat to cook ?
It doen't matter what you do for them or give them until they're ready to change the way their country operates and fend for themselves it'll never get better -- Not to mention that there is so much corruption in their Gov't. that any aid would never reach the people that need it.
We've got plenty of problems of our own right here in the U.S. we should be working on instead of other countries problems.
We should secure our borders, deport the illegals and only let legal immigration continue.
Sorry; I stand by my argument and I've only been smoking the legal stuff. I will acknowledge that a lot of illegal aliens are taking advantage of us, but I think the solution lies in a strategy that reduces the incentive to be an illegal alien. A lot of people seem to think that means being very harsh with illegal aliens, and that would work--to a degree. But there would still be the chance that an illegal could beat the system, so the incentive to try still would be there. The alternative is to dis-incentivize illegal aliens by making their own situation comparable to ours. If we could improve the Mexican economy so that it resembled our own, then I think most border crossings would be for tourism or business. And I still think that in the long term, making Mexico as wealthy as we are is probably cheaper than trying to defend how many miles of wilderness border.
quote:Originally posted by temblor
quote:Originally posted by spurgemastur
quote:Originally posted by p3skyking
American prosperity was not earned overnight and was not guaranteed. If other nations want the same, it is up to them to aquire it on their own.
Fair enough.
But what if our prosperity is best defended by helping other nations to find their own prosperity?
I'm not suggesting we owe anything to anybody; I am simply suggesting that it might be in our best interest to aid a neighbor so that they do not present problems for us.
Quit smoking that stuff Spurge -- If your next door neighbors were throwing BBQs in your back yard all the time with meat they got out of your freezer would you throw them off your property, or would you give them your grill and keep giving them meat to cook ?
It doen't matter what you do for them or give them until they're ready to change the way their country operates and fend for themselves it'll never get better -- Not to mention that there is so much corruption in their Gov't. that any aid would never reach the people that need it.
We've got plenty of problems of our own right here in the U.S. we should be working on instead of other countries problems.
We should secure our borders, deport the illegals and only let legal immigration continue.
Sorry; I stand by my argument and I've only been smoking the legal stuff. I will acknowledge that a lot of illegal aliens are taking advantage of us, but I think the solution lies in a strategy that reduces the incentive to be an illegal alien. A lot of people seem to think that means being very harsh with illegal aliens, and that would work--to a degree. But there would still be the chance that an illegal could beat the system, so the incentive to try still would be there. The alternative is to dis-incentivize illegal aliens by making their own situation comparable to ours. If we could improve the Mexican economy so that it resembled our own, then I think most border crossings would be for tourism or business. And I still think that in the long term, making Mexico as wealthy as we are is probably cheaper than trying to defend how many miles of wilderness border.
Why do so many people think that you can impose people of European decent's way of life and values on people not of european decent? If people would just acknowledge that there are differences in intelligence between people, the world might be a better place.
Iraq will never be civilized (in our definition of the word) and Mexico will never have a strong economy. They just don't have the evolution to make this happen. Fast forward a million years or so, and perhaps these areas will be in a better way. That is if anyone is left on this planet.
This is the ONLY thing that will work:
We need to bribe a few high officials in the Iraq "government" (and I use that term in the LOOSEST of ways) to "order" us out of the country so the US politicians can save face. Then let them fall into complete civil war, get another Saddam, and restore the only semblance of order that type of country will ever know.
For Mexico, we need to bribe the officials to police their own borders and not allow anyone through. As long as they get more than the illegals are paying to get across, they'll stop most of them.
Since no official in the US has the balls to do what needs to be done to solve this problem, we need to take this fight to the level of our enemies. Paying a couple 100 million in bribes is a hell of a lot cheaper than paying a couple 100 billion and many lives fighting for a desert wasteland and a third world nation run by criminals.
So?
Mexico's discovery of oil was to be its' salvation but nothing's changed has it?
Strangely, the discovery of North Sea oil radically changed the complexion of Norway's economics.