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How Many Shoot With The Intent To .......?
gunpaq
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I know that is somewhat a harsh question to ask but I am asking it in response to what people said in some of the many discussions today about gun control.
There were three notable comments that came up today:
1. You only carry a concealed handgun because you want to shoot
someone if you can get a chance that is justafiable.
2. When you go shooting (target practicing) you are out there
practicing to kill something.
3. Why would you carry a gun on your person or in your car or
keep one in the night stand unless you want to shoot someone?
Number 1 and number 3 were from gunowners and number 2 was from a nongun person.
My response to these statements and question was to answer by saying that if any person owns, practices with and shoots a firearm with the purpose of shooting and killing someone, the police should be called immediately and that person locked up and given some psycological help.
My question to board members is how many shoot firearms with the intent to ...... something other than the enjoyment of participating in a shooting sport or practicing defensive measures?
Is this an appropriate question? I can't think of any person with intent other than in a military or special law enforcement application.
I don't think I have ever carried or shot any firearm with the intent to...... except when aiming at game to be harvested and most all my shooting is at targets to test skill.
Will add the results to the place matts at breakfast diner tomorrow with the AWB posts for my gunowner pro AWB friends to eat off. Should be another lively debate hopefully the brick wall will start coming down.
Pack slow, fall stable, pull high, hit dead center.
There were three notable comments that came up today:
1. You only carry a concealed handgun because you want to shoot
someone if you can get a chance that is justafiable.
2. When you go shooting (target practicing) you are out there
practicing to kill something.
3. Why would you carry a gun on your person or in your car or
keep one in the night stand unless you want to shoot someone?
Number 1 and number 3 were from gunowners and number 2 was from a nongun person.
My response to these statements and question was to answer by saying that if any person owns, practices with and shoots a firearm with the purpose of shooting and killing someone, the police should be called immediately and that person locked up and given some psycological help.
My question to board members is how many shoot firearms with the intent to ...... something other than the enjoyment of participating in a shooting sport or practicing defensive measures?
Is this an appropriate question? I can't think of any person with intent other than in a military or special law enforcement application.
I don't think I have ever carried or shot any firearm with the intent to...... except when aiming at game to be harvested and most all my shooting is at targets to test skill.
Will add the results to the place matts at breakfast diner tomorrow with the AWB posts for my gunowner pro AWB friends to eat off. Should be another lively debate hopefully the brick wall will start coming down.
Pack slow, fall stable, pull high, hit dead center.
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God Bless America and...
NEVER Forget WACO
NEVER, EVER Forget 911
May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't.
- General George Patton Jr
However, in my opinion, the question you ask is a little like asking, "How many of you buy fire insurance so you can burn your stuff?" I would certainly defend myself if the need arose, but I'm not looking for trouble and hope it isn't looking for me. In my mind, it's better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it.
col elect1mike Illinois
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God Bless America and...
NEVER Forget WACO
NEVER, EVER Forget 911
A gun is insurance..insurance that you will be around to raise your children.
You BETTER be prepared and skilled in the use of said firearm..and prepared means that you have thought through the ramifications of carrying..including using deadly force when necessary.
NOBODY but a psycho would go out of their way to 'find' a place to shoot somebody...
But if one cannot make the decision to use the piece in defense of their own or loved ones life..then that person better leave it at home.That decision needs to be made BEFORE the carrying starts.
We are such an emascalated country today,that such comments are seemingly credible.."You carry a gun because you want to shoot somebody.."....No,one carries a gun because YOUR life,and your WIFE'S life..are worth more then some trash perpetrator's life that is attacking you...You don't WANT to shoot them..but the decision is make by the punk with the knife....
Something that I would add, is that if you have made the conscious decision to carry a firearm, you MUST keep practicing with it, and STAY proficient. As said before, if it became necessary, you want to take your target out quick, without injuring ANY bystanders. All too often, I see and hear of people that go through the qualifying stages to get their CCW permits, and never go back to the range again. Or maybe go once or twice a year. I would not want to be around that person, if the occasion were ever to arise, where he pulled out a handgun and started shooting.
I do not think you will have anyone admit that they have the intent to shoot someone. I know I would do anything (within reason) to AVOID it. But if it lies within my path that I should have to. I want to be as good at it as I can be.
The gene pool needs chlorine.
quote:Originally posted by Highball
Do you buy insurance HOPING a flood carries away your house..or it burns down ?
A gun is insurance..insurance that you will be around to raise your children.
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B] I will not be a victim if at all possible, and will risk taking a shot for a younger person if I can return a fatal shot. I'm not out to be a bloody hero, but I've lived a good life, and if some whacko wants to start point-blank shooting into the heads of kids having a shake a MickyD's, I will confront the attacker.
C] Personal property - they can take the truck, but if the wife is strapped in, they are getting it point blank in the head, weapon displayed or not.
Believe nothing that you hear and only one half of what you see!!
I'm Just One Man Talking!
2]I practice a lot to gain proficiency. Once the decision to carry is made you are morally obligated to maintain a level of competence to insure to the best of your abilities that the intended target is the only thing hit and that you can draw and maintain control of your gun in a highly tense situation. I practice drawing from a concealed holster a lot more than I practice shooting a target.
3] Once I got married and had kids the responsibility to protect them became a priority. I was not too concerned about myself until I had a family relying on me for support. The desire to kill someone never entered the equation. The desire to keep someone from getting killed did.
I Miss The World I Grew Up In!
Especially EMM, Hardball and pickenup!
A dead intruder cannot testify against you in a court of law!
If they're still moving, put another round in them!
There are so many who have hated guns and saw no reason for their existence until they themselves where victims of a life threatening crime. To see themselves and/or family members lives taken away and nothing they could do can make one re-think opinions on self protection. "It won't happen to me" or "the police will save us", is a weak and gullible thought. My guns would be used to prevent a killing first,but if that fails, I will have the chance to survive.
Lets remember, killing and murder are two different things. Yes, that gun in the drawer is not there to fill space, nor is the lock on the door there to look nice. These are instruments of saftey, security, and the preservation of life. How could one have no way to protect his/her family should an intruder(s) enter your home or where ever you are and do what they want to you and your kids. This is your responsibility, and if you fail, you will pay for it for the rest of your life. You can leave the fate of your familys future in the hands of a useless criminal--not me!
1. You only carry a concealed handgun because you want to shoot
someone if you can get a chance that is justafiable.
2. When you go shooting (target practicing) you are out there
practicing to kill something.
3. Why would you carry a gun on your person or in your car or
keep one in the night stand unless you want to shoot someone?
I think the people that said these things are clueless. It's gun owners like #1 and #3 that make us look like "nuts".
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And everything in between.
Greg
Former
USMC
ANGLICO
Anyone ignorant enough to actually think that gun owners carry guns and shoot in the secret hope of getting to smoke someone is beyond help. Anyone who carries a firearm hoping to get a chance to smoke someone is the reason I carry.
"A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I
advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it gives
boldness, enterprise, and independence to the mind. Games played with the
ball and others of that nature, are too violent for the body and stamp no
character on the mind. Let your gun therefore be the constant companion of
your walks." Thomas Jefferson
Shooting boils down to about the same thing as a weekend golfer. I'm trying to get better. It's not 'me against the bad guy.'
FBI statistics on police involved shootings show that the cop who pratices more than required is involved in less 'bad shootings' than the cop who just shoots when he has to qualify.
I believe the same 'stats' would show the same thing in citizen involved shootings.
"If they won't give us good terms, come back and we'll fight it out."
-- Gen. James Longstreet
Practicing to be a more effective hunter is likewise legitimate.
The hunter instinct is innate in the human male. Are we to criticize our maker for putting it there?
I have to admit to some quixotic feelings when I see these street savage gangs wandering around gun shows handling the pistols and knives.