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truckershaverightstoo · October 2001

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truckershaverightstoo · October 2001

I was reading another post that you had replied to and I need to ask you something. Do you really think a "Vanguard" out of the box will out shoot a Remington 700 out of the box??? I take it from reading some of your other posts that you are knowledable about guns. Why would you tell him that? Especially chambered in wtby mag? Anybody who knows anything about guns knows that a weatherby that even though they are known for high velocities they are not known for accuracy. Weatherby throats the crap out of their chambers to accomodate for the high pressures and what does that cause? P*** poor accuracy! I have a howa 22-250 wich is according to you and others is a vanguard and let me tell you I am not satisfied! I reload because I do no believe in factory ammo. That is my preference and it is a personal choice but I mainly reload for accuracy and with the reloads I cannot get it to group at 100 yds anything I put thru it better than my rem 760 30-06,now that is really sad!

truckershaverightstoo · October 2001

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truckershaverightstoo · October 2001

I may need your help. Could you look for scope want add over in "Wanted"?

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Chris

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arkresearch · October 2001

Take the bolt out and put a light to the barrel end look at the reflection patternit tells you a lot about the barrel accuracyin manufacturing ,also chamber a cartrige andunchamber it ,look for "land marks in bullet"neck If they are present in means the bulletis "forced" into the rifling ,that gives ahigger velocity and a better accuracy, checkstock barrel combo as "Harmonics" (wave generated by pressure ring the "metal" likea bell )affects accuracy greatly if not properly matched. Bull barrels are the best..

gasbag · October 2001

Maybe you just cant shoot any better than with the 760...

varmit hunter · October 2001

Howa .243 out of the box.75gr hornady V-MAX .340 group....Howa 7mm REm 150 Fed .680 group....Howa.270 130gr Fed .780.

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Homer J Simpson · October 2001

Varmit, I have a Howa and take great grief, until after the targets are brought in for scores!All I can figure is Howa is a former Interarms import of a Weatherby, for $1000 less. Even though both are/were made in the same plant in Japan.Mine is a 7mm w/ a butt ugly plastic stock. $350.

idsman75 · October 2001

I'm having some questions about Weatherby anyway after reading their most recent safety warning.

varmit hunter · October 2001

Howa was first brought over by Smith& Wesson.Then by Mossburg.Now they go by there on name.If they were priced at $750 we would be comparing them to Sakos.

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DaRoosta · October 2001

Still getting more and more confused with every post, but more information and testimonials may be the key. Maybe it's a quality control difference or effect where some of their rifles end up good and some not so good. I agree that I'm having problems with the safety issue Weatherby mentions on their website with regards to the Vanguards. I haven't checked the serial number on this rifle I'm looking at buying, but it concerns me either way.

Guns & Glass · October 2001

Food for thought.... Rule #1.Facts only,not supposition.Rule #2. Supposition allowed only when data is not available, or inconclussive.Rule #3. Do not reverse Rules #1, or #2.Remington has had some on going lawsuits for the release of gas going back thru the 700 bolt. There are better/ safer designs than the 700. It's your face & eyes.Weatherby HAS NOT had major problems with the Vanguard bolt/safety system. Keep in mind that there is a mind set that all gun companies should pay like the tobacco companies!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.Anything that will put $$$$ into some peoples pockets is fair game.Weatherby is in one of the most...how can I describe California without insulting people with common sense who live there?Do you think that they would have done this if they were uncaring about their customers safety. Note well, Weatherby has offered a voluntary recall.! So has Mossberg on the 695. Thank you manufacturers for having the guts to do what's right. Even though it will cost alot of $$$$, and some people will take "pot shots".Did you know that Weatherby was having rifles made in the USA..?Last maker was SACO (owned by Colt Industries), QC wasn't consistent, nor was delivery (to Weatherby's high standards).Colt's name brand bolt rifle....RECALLED!!!!Misfire/drop fire a major safety problem. Now, that's a sweet deal. Go buy them,... cheeeaaap now. Prices have dropped like a lead weight. I know I have some.Sadly, at the high pricing.Send it back to Colt, let them "fix it". You'll have a semi custom production rifle that will save you hundreds of $$$.Is the picture getting clearer?I will address the comment on Weatherby accuracy, free boring, throating, as it is very much misunderstood, and mistaken later.

Happy Bullet Holes!

truckershaverightstoo · October 2001

Well now Guns&Glass I never said a word about The safeties on them but you still didnt answer my question unless I missed the other posts and you answered it on your own post, I will check. Second of all I may be in the dark room but I havent heard but of a couple of complaints on the Rem bolts, I'll check into it more before I say anything in Rem's defense, except maybe this,,,I won't mention any names but do you remember a post not long ago where somebody wanted to know if he could swap bullets in a factory cartridge WITHOUT going thru the steps properly( I won't list the steps again but I stress that you SHOOT THE FACTORY SHELLS FIRST!!) and a bunch of the guys told him it was ok. Do you remember that?? Maybe we ought to look at who got burnt in the face and see if it was some of these professional reloaders that gave that advise! To the fellow who said I cant shoot any better than with the 760, that old meat clever can shoot sub 1" groups with my reloads at 100 yds and the 22-250 should go hole for hole for hole for hole at 100 yds, at the very best a .750 group it will do. And that is totaly unaceptable. I only have one custom built gun but all the rest are factory Rem 700's and a couple of New England arms singles. I take great pride in knowing I can unpack a new 700 and with some trigger work and a burris scope it will shoot .500 or less at 100 yds. GOD BLESS REMINGTON P.S pardon the speling for us truckers aint known for our smarts

Patrick Odle · October 2001

Keep in mind I'm not the best rifle shot to come down the pike but I have never fired one that will outshoot my customized 6.5x55Sweed.

Guns & Glass · October 2001

Sorry for the delay, was "on the road again".Appreciate your comments, and questions!Reverse responses to your comments:You're right, Rem 760/7600's generally shoot very well. Often passed over for accuracy. Speed of shooting is sometimes even faster than a bolt action. There are so many things that affect accuracy that handloading alone won't solve, or can only go so far in helping your gun, or any other shoot better. Maybe that's something the other guys on this board can also work with. I'm not always right. If, you don't believe that, just ask my wife...she'll tell you.When Weatherby "finalized set up" specs(optimized) on WBY cartridges, they were done around Weatherby rifles,...not other manufacturers. So, don't expect any other guns to shoot the same. Absolutely don't expect every g'smith to do the same job...the same. I deal with four g'smiths. If I give the same components to each,...each will shoot differently. I know who is faster, and better at what, and farm out the work accordinglyto them. One guy has lots of new equiptment and does a good job, one guy has real old equiptment and does a much better job. Another guy now has his wife doing stock work too, and charges more for her because she's much better, and is almost always done on time.The .340 Wby Mag cartridge renecked, and downsized to a 30 caliber bullet is one of the most accurate cartridges available. More accurate than the 7mmSTW. It was being used by 1,000 yd. BR shooters years before Layne Simpson took the 8mm Rem Mag, and stuck a 30 cal. bullet in it(copied). No records are shot with STW's. Little things mean alot for example compare Norma brass & specs in Weatherby to any other. Try shooting them and you'll see a difference. That doesn't mean the others aren't good,...it just means to duplicate-duplicate-duplicate, the formula must be follow using the same components! Choclate milk is still choclate milk whether made with whole milk or skim(yuck) milk. They taste differently.Other examples, take a Weatherby caliber and shoot it out of a 24" barrel. Take the same gun swap with a 26" barrel. All things being equal. POI/group will change. Take a 26" barrel shoot it, cut the barrel to 24" shoot it, then 22" shoot it. POI/group will change.Even trying different manufacturers ammo will affect a accuracy. Does that mean the gun is no good? NO. Certainly not.I have WBY's that will cut holes(3 shots) at 100, & 200yds. Shoot 1 to 1 1/2" groups at 300yds. WBY Accumarks will do as well with 5 shot groups. So do some of my customers. We know what scopes, ammo, etc. to use. Weatherby doesn't "throat". They free bore like everyone else does. The reasons why as you a handloader know are especially important for safety, and general accuracy.Weatherby in SOME magnum cartridges did a little more for the SAFETY reasons, and to enhance OVERALL accuracy due to the different spec tolerences by manufacturers, and handloaders as you well know. So, I somewhat puzzled by your strong language.All in all, I hope my posts have answered/addressed your welcome questions/comments. Thanks.

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