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Another Jack Booted Cop Thug On The Streets

guns-n-painthorsesguns-n-painthorses Member Posts: 6,463 ✭✭✭
edited March 2002 in General Discussion
Seen on the news where a retard was running from the cops in a dump truck. After he crashed, he was able to run(too Bad!) from the wreck. So Joe Sixpack grabs a ball bat and stops the perp. Along comes the jackbooted thug cop and smacks the bat out of the guy's hand, like the guy was going to attack the cop or something,,,, what a jerk! I can hear it now,,,The LEO was protecting himself, he was securing the scene, Bla, Bla, Bla. Then you hear the cops whine because no one will get involved.Fire away..............
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    jeenyesjeenyes Member Posts: 330 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Well guns, I have a question. When cops come into your home(or car) with a warrant, tear it apart looking for something, then upon finding nothing,who puts it back together and pays for damage done?
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    LowriderLowrider Member Posts: 6,587
    edited November -1
    Nobody
    Lord Lowrider the LoquaciousMember:Secret Select Society of Suave Stylish Smoking Jackets She was only a fisherman's daughter,But when she saw my rod she reeled.
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    LowriderLowrider Member Posts: 6,587
    edited November -1
    I saw that dumptruck fiasco too. At the end of the news clip, after the cop threw the guy's bat away, the cop started yelling at him and the last thing you see is the bat man putting his hands up like he's being arrested.Instead of thanking him for stopping the maniac perp who had a good lead on the cops, they treated him like he was an accomplice.
    Lord Lowrider the LoquaciousMember:Secret Select Society of Suave Stylish Smoking Jackets She was only a fisherman's daughter,But when she saw my rod she reeled.
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    Wild BillWild Bill Member Posts: 155 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Sounds like we have a few bleeding heart liberals on this site who harbor a little animosity towards the police.
    "Gun control is not about guns; it's about control." "If guns cause crime, then matches cause arson."
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    LowriderLowrider Member Posts: 6,587
    edited November -1
    "...bleeding heart liberal??"I KNOW you're not referring to me.
    Lord Lowrider the LoquaciousMember:Secret Select Society of Suave Stylish Smoking Jackets She was only a fisherman's daughter,But when she saw my rod she reeled.
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    jeenyesjeenyes Member Posts: 330 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Guess some people think it's OK to live in a police state. I still belive in freedom, liberty and the constitution.[This message has been edited by jeenyes (edited 03-22-2002).]
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    gunpaqgunpaq Member Posts: 4,607 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Maybe the next time our baseball bat Samaritan will just pass by the next situation. Sorry officer I am a civilian.
    Pack slow, fall stable, pull high, hit dead center.
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    robsgunsrobsguns Member Posts: 4,581 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I dont know about that news clip, but I'm really pissed that lady got convicted of murder for her dog killing that lady in CA. Now I cant wait to see what kind of lawsuits appear over animal bites, attacks, etc. Its nice to live in a state of fear of the law, isnt it?
    SSgt Ryan E. Roberts, USMC
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    alledanalledan Member Posts: 19,541
    edited November -1
    It is not a good idea to get involved in something like this. The law is against the bat man. He can be charged with at least "assault with a deadly weapon".Rememeber that this country destroys heros of any level and good samaritans are punished. IT'S THE SOCIALIST WAY!
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    salzosalzo Member Posts: 6,396 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    My guess is it originates from "testicles".
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    GrandWizardGrandWizard Member Posts: 109 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    TestifyThere is bit of folklore floating about that the word testify (with its associated forms like testimony and testament) derives from testicle . The legend has it that ancient Romans would hold their testes while swearing oaths. This is not true. The word does not derive from testicle, nor did Romans swear oaths on their private parts. Testify , et. al., derives from the Latin * meaning witness. Testicle also derives from *. The testes are witnesses to a man's virility.
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    YankeeClipperYankeeClipper Member Posts: 669 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Just wait untill you get involved with the Idaho State Gestapo.The dump truck insodent will look mild.
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    223believer223believer Member Posts: 128 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Bear in mind that you probably saw a few seconds--maybe a minute of videotape. A whole lot more can happen before and after that. Maybe the cop who ran up didn't know who the guy with the bat was or what he was doing. Maybe he was afraid that the guy with the bat would kill the suspect. Bear in mind that cops don't just have to arrest somebody, but they also have to make sure the person doesn't get hurt while being arrested. It's a very difficult job.
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    guns-n-painthorsesguns-n-painthorses Member Posts: 6,463 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    No way, I am not a bleeding heart liberal. I don't hate LEO's. Just another case of ACF (automatic cop freakout) directed toward a law abiding person. You should be glad I bring it to your attention! Fire away.................
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    TeamblueTeamblue Member Posts: 782 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Any LEO that has any street experience will tell you that once you get to the scene, any scene, that you control it. And you have to try to control everything in it. This includes citizens too. I will tell you that I also saw the video and I feel that the person who had the bat, even though he had attempted to stop the "bad guy" was standing too close to the officers who were trying to subdue the "bad guy". The officers were bent over in their attempt and the "batman" was just feet away from them and still swinging the bat. I wouldn't have liked it either. It appeared to me that the guy with the bat was too "jacked up" after the confrontation and just needed to back off and give the guys who get paid to deal with it the space to deal with it. What looked outrageous and perhaps ungrateful to some was probably very reasonable to the officers on the scene. When you ask officers to restore order to chaos and make sense out of nonsense, don't be surprised when they take steps to protect themselves and secure the area around them.
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    njretcopnjretcop Member Posts: 7,975
    edited November -1
    Well the un-informed, cop bashers are at it again I see!Too bad that they did not wait for the whole story to be told, not just what the media might want you to see. The "good guy" with the bat appeared on Fox News yesterday morning and his story about the actions of the police, as you might expect, was different from the one of "jackbooted thugs!"By the way that term was used to describe Nazi SS officers in the WWII I believe. So, we may assume that our poster here compares American police officers to the Nazi's. Too bad they didn't get a chance to live under the Nazi's. Perhaps then, they would temper their in-appropriate and inflamatory remarks.Anyway, to make a long story short, Mr "batman" stated that the police who first arrived on the scene were very aggressive (not surprising when faced with a man holding a baseball bat), but very professional (his words, sorry) and later congratulated him and called him a hero.So much ado about nothing, me thinks.-Charlie
    It's the stuff dreams are made of AngelNRA Certified Firearms InstructorMember: GOA, RKBA, NJSPBA, NJ area rep for the 2ndAMPD. njretcop@copmail.com [This message has been edited by njretcop (edited 03-23-2002).][This message has been edited by njretcop (edited 03-23-2002).]
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    gskyhawkgskyhawk Member Posts: 4,773
    edited November -1
    njretcop: with no disrespect for LEO's but let me ask this, enlight of whats happened over the last few years with Waco, Randy Weaver, the King beating and the shooting of that guy back easy ( you know the one that got shot 41 times for having a cell phone in his hand ) just how far away from Nazi Germany are we?
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    salzosalzo Member Posts: 6,396 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    gskyhawk- You forgot Abner Louima.
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    guns-n-painthorsesguns-n-painthorses Member Posts: 6,463 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    No, I Don't compare all American Police Officers to nazi's, only the jerks with the badges who think they are better then everyone else. What are you saying, that just because a guy has a badge, I am supposed to do anything he says? That the badge means this guy knows it all and can't be wrong? What a bunch of blue uniform bullsh##. If cops want a better P R rap, you guys better clean it up from the inside, before you start bashing folks on the outside. Let's face it, there is a real problem in LE today, and scenes like this one don't help much. I am afraid that the police way of thinking is everyone without a badge is guilty, untill patted down or proven innocent.I know there's lot's of good cops out there, and I thank you guys for your efforts to protect me and my family. And the "jack booted thugs" thing,,, well, that came from this board, and has been used many times.Fire away...................
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    Mr. LoboMr. Lobo Member Posts: 538 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Dano & njretcopThanks for your comments. I personally am getting tired of these guys slamming the police at every chance. It seems like some people just love to find the bad in people. Maybe they should look in the mirror to see if they are so perfect that they never make a mistake.Jim
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    TeamblueTeamblue Member Posts: 782 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Dano, njretcop, Wild Bill, and others who have displayed a modicum of common sense:Unlike yourselves many who post here with their inflammatory and divisive remarks don't get the fact that when LEO's show up on a scene that is often confusing and chaotic, the "good guys" and the "bad guys" are not wearing different colored shirts that are labeled accordingly. Therefore anyone in that scene who has anything that is seen as a weapon is considered a threat until it is secured and determined otherwise. That is a fundamental element of officer safety and scene control. The day we took the oath and put on the uniform for the first time we have had to understand that. Those who have never worked on the sharp end will seldom understand; but they will be quick to criticize.
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    FTSLT488FTSLT488 Member Posts: 24 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Here we go again! I would like to have the LEO bashers spend some time on patrol - take advantage of the local precinct's ride-along program. It might just be an eye opener. Then, and only then, may you be able to offer an unbiased opinion. We don't have the luxury of armchair quarterbacking; decisions are made at times in a spit second.
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    AlpineAlpine Member Posts: 15,084 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    If you've never been involved in a foot chase, faced armed crooks, controled an angry crowd, then shut up. All LEO's are not perfect. But once again someone is spouting off without all the facts. Shame on you.
    ?The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.?
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    BullzeyeBullzeye Member Posts: 3,560
    edited November -1
    Dano!Great to see you back, man! Hope you're feeling a little better.In regard to the comment about how "Everyone makes mistakes":A plumber makes a mistake and a pipe breaks and he's got to fix it again.A LEO makes a mistake, even a split-second mistake, when he's got a gun in his hand, and there's bodies lying on the floor.I dont envy that responsibility. But make no mistake, it IS chosen.And there still should be accountability.If a doctor makes a mistake and accidentally kills a patient, he loses his job and his license, usually.Why does a LEO who accidentally kills an innocent man get vindicated on trial and put back on the streets?
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    TeamblueTeamblue Member Posts: 782 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    dano,Your last two posts have put it simply, yet perfectly. It is hard to understand why it is such a lofty concept for some. Una Stamus'Blue
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    LowriderLowrider Member Posts: 6,587
    edited November -1
    "A doctor kills somebody and he loses his license...?"Since when?The hospitals cover-up their mistakes and stonewall the investigations with the best of them.
    Lord Lowrider the LoquaciousMember:Secret Select Society of Suave Stylish Smoking Jackets She was only a fisherman's daughter,But when she saw my rod she reeled.
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    guns-n-painthorsesguns-n-painthorses Member Posts: 6,463 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Why is it I am considered a threat because I have a weapon? If that's the way you want to think, well, then any LEO should be considerd a threat too, Right? Why can a cop use deadly force for just about any threat on himself, yet Joe sixpack goes to jail? I've been hasseled by the cops before, just for helping out, so the hell with that, do it yourself.You guys think you seen it all out on the streets, well, just remember, you guys all have guns. Most of us who have to ALSO work out on the streets don't have that right.I have never been in jail, never arrested, or even been detained, so don't think I have a grudge. I just think it's getting out of control, and all this 9-11 stuff is just making it worse.Think I hate cops, you couldn't be futher from the truth.Fire away......................
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    He DogHe Dog Member Posts: 51,086 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Dano has it. There are some really, really good cops, and some really, really bad cops. Most are somewhere in between. Just like people. I did not grow up believing the policeman was my friend, so I am cautious, but I remember a saying from the 60's I liked: If you don't like cops, next time you are in trouble call a hippie.
    He DogWhen only the police have guns, it is a police state.
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    mudgemudge Member Posts: 4,225 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Thanks to all the LEO's on the board for trying to paint a picture of what really goes on out there. Charlie...I was about to ask for "the rest of the story" when I came across your post about the "thanks" from the cops. Kinda' expected that's what happened.I'm kinda' addicted to the program "Cops" on the tube. I've gotten used to seeing them take control of the ENTIRE area of ops. and THEN separate the "good guys" from the "perps".I have the utmost respect for LEO's. I just don't understand the SWAT stuff at times.Right Wild Bill??? Mudge the LAW ABIDING curmudgeon
    I can't come to work today. The voices said, STAY HOME AND CLEAN THE GUNS!
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    gunnut505gunnut505 Member Posts: 10,290 ✭
    edited November -1
    Just remember to print out and present this card when confronted by the LEO from Hell:I am an American Citizen, and I wish to cooperate fully in your investigation. I choose to exercise my Constitutional Rights by rfusing to speak with you or answer any questions until I have consulted an attorney. I DO NOT CONSENT to any search of my person, property, vehicle, or residence. If you have a properly executed warrant; please serve it.If you have a tape or video recorder, please activate it at this time so that I may read this aloud for the record.Hand this little item to the nasty policeyman and be on your way.(snicker)
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    jeenyesjeenyes Member Posts: 330 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Gunnut writesam an American Citizen, and I wish to cooperate fully in your investigation. I choose to exercise my Constitutional Rights by rfusing to speak with you or answer any questions Well gunnut, I have read in the papers that anyone who starts talking about constitutional rights, is a possible terrorist, and should be given a hard look over. This was from government list on what to look for.
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