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Josey1Josey1 Member Posts: 9,598 ✭✭
edited March 2002 in General Discussion
Toy gun a 'lethal' weapon03/08/02By KEVIN SHEAStaff WriterThey are part pellet gun and part toy, marketed under the name Air Model pistols but more commonly known as "Airsoft" guns.Police, however, worry that it's just a matter of time before they become known as deadly weapons -- deadly to the young owners who have begun carrying them.Three Airsofts were seized by Hamilton police Tuesday night after a resident called because he believed some rowdy teenagers actually were shooting at each other.The guns, apparently made for target and other sport shooting, are manufactured to look exactly like real weapons. Glocks, Berettas, even M-16 machine guns and Uzi submachine guns are replicated as Airsoft guns.They fire 6-millimeter plastic balls that resemble BBs, and only a bright orange section at the front of the barrel -- like those required on squirt guns and cap guns -- identifies them as fake.Hamilton Police Detective Capt. Kevin Pollard said youngsters are easily covering the orange with black plastic tape or paint to complete the authentication, as was done to the three guns seized Tuesday.Pollard said officers have been confiscating Airsoft guns from young people at a frightening pace recently.He and other police officers believe the Airsoft's apparent surge in popularity will only lead to one thing: the funeral of a young person.Carrying an Airsoft gun puts someone lethally closer to the `Cop Shoots Kid With Fake Gun' headline, Pollard said."These weapons are so lifelike, an officer is going to react based on his training," he said. "One of these kids is going to get shot, killed. Period."Parents have got to know that these things are out there."Airsofts are not illegal to buy or shoot, depending on the circumstances, because they do not fire metal projectiles like a BB or pellet guns, according to state law. But like any imitation gun, if one is used to imply a real gun -- during a crime, for instance -- possession is a felony.A shop in the Columbus Farmer's Market in Springfield Township called Outdoor Haven sells five Airsoft models over the counter and with no questions asked, for about $35 each, provided the buyer shows identification proving he or she is 17 or older.On the online auction site eBay, it is legal to sell Airsofts. Yesterday, a search for them yielded nearly 1,000 up for bid. Trenton police spokesman Sgt. Jim Dellaira said the eventuality of a police officer shooting someone with an Airsoft is likely."You see a gun coming out of a waistband, it's a gun. You don't wait to see the orange tip," Dellaira said. "Whether the shooting's justified (by authorities) or not, they're just as dead."-- -- --But Dellaira sees a greater risk of death to someone carrying an Airsoft on the street, where "lesser-trained" people carry real guns."Suppose it's not a cop. Suppose it's a store owner or a taxi cab driver or a criminal. Some kid's going to get knocked out of his socks if he tries to use it like a real gun.""They look real, and people have every right to act as if they're real -- if (someone with an Airsoft) is acting stupid with it," Dellaira said.Bryan Miller, executive director of Ceasefire New Jersey, admitted yesterday he was unaware of Airsofts' resemblance to real guns."It sounds scary," he said. After hearing descriptions of them, plus law enforcement's concerns, he said he is going to investigate further and possibly work to ban them.Hector Medina, the owner of Outdoor Haven, which sells many more paintball guns than Airsofts, said he sees no ethical or moral problem selling Airsoft guns. He's just providing the supply to meet the buying public's demand."I run an honest shop here," Medina said.As far as their possible danger, Medina said that is up to the person holding the gun, not him."There's always the 5 percent rule," he said, "the 5 percent of people who are going to misuse it and make the other 95 percent look bad." A baseball bat, wielded a certain way, also could be considered an illegal weapon and could cause someone to be shot, Medina said.Pollard rejects the baseball bat argument and believes Airsofts should be banned from sale because of the effort to make them look so real."From 10 or 15 feet away, I'm not going to mistake a bat sticking out of a kid's pants as a gun," Pollard said."These thing are clearly, obviously manufactured to look authentic. I don't know what possible purpose they have as real weapons, and they should not be allowed to be in the hands of youngsters."Pollard said the teens on Tuesday night were 14 and 15 years old. Police also have taken Airsoft guns from an 11-year-old.-- -- --At Hamilton police headquarters on Wednesday, Pollard and some colleagues laid two real guns, a Glock and Beretta, next to two of the Airsoft replicas seized by police.During the demonstration by police, Detective Sgt. Joe Mastropolo and Lt. Chuck Stanley both mixed up the real and fake guns at one point.Sgt. Larry Oswald said he can't put the message any simpler: "Someone is going to get killed."Literature accompanying an Airsoft Glock bought by a Times reporter urged that the gun be used safely, but nowhere in the paperwork or box was the manufacturer's address or telephone number. The model was made in Taiwan.Pollard said police are taking guns from juveniles and calling the kids' parents. So far, no parent has complained or asked for the guns' return. "Any parent who would ask for it back is out of their mind," Pollard said.The National Rifle Association has no opinion on Airsoft guns, a spokesman said, because Airsofts are not real firearms. The National Shooting Sports Foundation, in Connecticut, did not return a telephone call seeking comment on Airsofts."These new so-called toys seem like a further extension of the gun culture in New Jersey," said Miller of Ceasefire. "We agree with law enforcement's concerns, and parents should not purchase these so-called toys. Frankly, we believe that perhaps a ban on these items is warranted." http://www.nj.com/mercer/times/index.ssf?/mercer/times/03-08-JBQR1AIB.html

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  • offerorofferor Member Posts: 8,625 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I would have to say I have thought about the issue of whether I could drop the hammer on a kid who looked 15 or less, but my reading has indicated that one of the young ones is more likely to shoot you than an older kid. As much as I enjoyed the days of my youth when toy guns at Christmas looked real, I understand that if I'm standing at my ATM and some "youngster" thinks it would be funny to point any gun that appears real at me I'm not going to wait until his parents get home to sort it out. Kids shoot people. Ergo, a person in fear of his life cannot afford to differentiate. The last kid I saw on Court TV on trial for a head shot with a .22 was I believe 12 years old. The trial seemed to revolve around whether he "meant" to, hardly an issue for the dead boy. This has not so much to do with gun banning as it does with the responsibility taught to children about safe handling of a gun -- even a pellet gun. There is some tomfoolery that can get you killed, regardless of age.
    "The 2nd Amendment is about defense, not hunting. Long live the gun shows, and reasonable access to FFLs. Join the NRA -- I'm a Life Member."[This message has been edited by offeror (edited 03-09-2002).]
  • badboybobbadboybob Member Posts: 1,658 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Can anyone say "parental guidance?" Can any one say "firearms training?" Can anyone say "discipline the little bastards?"Don't give me this sob sister stuff about some little monster pointing a looks like real gun at me. He's going down, just like any other dirt bag threatening me or mine.
    PC=BS
  • guns-n-painthorsesguns-n-painthorses Member Posts: 6,462 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Automatic police freakout! Or APF as I like to call it. Why do all these cops freak when someone has a gun? A pellet gun in your waistband is not against the law is it? Are we so freaked out about guns that even toys will fall under some goddamned law. What, just 'cuz a kid has a pellet gun, he's going to run out and point it at a cop? Jack booted paranoid thugs. The reason cops want these fricking things banned is so they can just automatically shoot your * if you have a gun, the won't have to make a judgment call if it's a real gun or not. You know,,,, guilty untill proven innocent.Fire away.....
  • njretcopnjretcop Member Posts: 7,975
    edited November -1
    Lately this site has become more and more anti-leo.I do not feel welcome coming to this board now because of the heavy bias against ALL police and not just those few who deserve it.JMHO-Charlie
    It's the stuff dreams are made of AngelNRA Certified Firearms InstructorMember: GOA, RKBA, NJSPBA, NJ area rep for the 2ndAMPD. njretcop@copmail.com
  • guns-n-painthorsesguns-n-painthorses Member Posts: 6,462 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    No, I'm not anti LEO. I'm just sick of the fact that if a cop comes across anyone with a gun, it's ACF! They act like you just killed a cop or something. If these cops are so scared for their lifes out there, and it's so dangerous, why can't law abiding people carry too. I mean, it's soooo unsafe out there.Fire away......
  • chappsynychappsyny Member Posts: 3,381 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    NJ, most of us here don't hate cops, just the bad ones. Compared to the nation at large, there's probably more pro-leo sentiment here than you're likely to find out in the real world.As far as the airsofts' go, what do you expect, it's New Jersey. Someone should start a gun-owner relocation program to help shooting sports enthusiests move out of NJ, MA, MD, CA, DC, etc., then put up a big ol' fence around those states.
    New Hampshire, USA - "Live Free or Die!!!"
  • Mr. LoboMr. Lobo Member Posts: 538 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    njretcopDon't go! These people that are slamming the police are unaware of all the facts, uneducated to the dangers the LEO's face every day, or just criminals at large. The police have a hard job. They deal with the worst of our society and get criticized when they mistake Joe public for a bad guy. If they don't think of everyone as being a potential threat to their life they will soon not be with us any longer.Jim
  • guns-n-painthorsesguns-n-painthorses Member Posts: 6,462 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Well you tell me what the most dangerous job in America is? It's not LEO. I don't hate cops, just jack booted thugs playing cops.Fire Away......
  • Mr. LoboMr. Lobo Member Posts: 538 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Well a search on the Internet suggested it was between a Journalist and a person watching a volcano's. I guess that this leaves the police force being not such a dangerous profession. Maybe you could join them to help straighten things out. Or maybe your last name is Nader...Ralph is that you? Your move... Oh boy are we having fun now. Just my humble opinion.Jim
  • BullzeyeBullzeye Member Posts: 3,560
    edited November -1
    I believe the job with the highest death rate in the contiguous US actually belongs to the Alaskan crabsmen.I cant back that up, but I've heard it a couple of different times.I would also imagine prostitution is a very dangerous job. Or maybe inner-city convenience store clerk?In any case, the point myself and Mr. Painthouses ( )are trying to make is that nigh near anything can be construed as a weapon by a jumpy cop.People have been shot by police for brandishing everything from wallets, to lighters, to cell-phones. And the courts have backed them up.So the point is: Why ban airsoft pistols? You may as well pull out your ID case. You'll be just as dead, either way.[This message has been edited by Bullzeye (edited 03-11-2002).]
  • FitzFitz Member Posts: 258 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    An anti LEO-attitude is stupid. The real problem stems from wanting legislation for everything. The liberals have screwed up this country (probably) beyond repair. It wasn't that long ago when you could walk down the street carrying your rifle without any concern. Bottom line: scumbags breed faster than anyone else. Policies that encourage and reward this garbage factory is the reason LEOs want more legislation, including this toy gun nonsense. They are their own worse enemies by thinking 'union' and ultimately electing politicians who create an environment for the garbage to breed.Fitz
  • jeenyesjeenyes Member Posts: 330 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    The problem with the bad LEOs, is the the other LEOs and the dept. will not do anything about it. They will not clean up the problem, if someone complains, the say "they are just doing their job". right across the river in a town know for the acts of "kindness", a old woman was stopped by a unmarked car, the driver who did not have a badge on or uniform went to the womans door, she got scared cause he did not look like a cop, so she rolls up her window and locks the door.The cop says open it or he will break the glass, so she does, the other cop walks up and sprays mace in her face, they drag her out with the ole knee in the back and handcuff and drag her off to jail.Yes, jack booted thugs, and if you other cops don't want to clean it up and make better PR, then you are just as bad.
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