Question for LEO's

mudge

Question for LEO's on site. How often do you qualify with your duty weapons? How often do you shoot your duty weapons in general to maintain profeciency with them? In you department do they furnish your ammunition for both qualifications and duty?? Does your dept issue firearms or are they liberal enough to allow you to carry whatever you want??

mudge

A guy that was on some of the FB groups that I am on it has been brought out that he is a RSA. His charge was attempted sexual abuse of a child. (7YO). I looked and its real. Wouldnt a charge like that prohibit you from having/owning guns?

He has been kicked off all the groups except 1 where he is friends with the admin or somin.

mudge

When someone gets DUI what does that normally fall under in your criminal history? The reason I'm asking is because I got a DUI in 2001 and I found out yesterday, when a criminal check was done on me, that it is listed at a Level 5 Traffic Violation. The lady that did the check seemed very surprised that it appeared as that.

What exactly is a Level 5?
What do DUI's normally fall under?

mudge

the following was posted on a local forum in my area , this happened in the next county over from me , i don't know if its 100% true or not but for the sake of this topic lets just say it is ,

after this was posted of course there was quite the discussion about it , most folks felt that the ladies where in the wrong and that the LEO did nothing wrong , myself i think the the LEO was in the wrong to cuss at them , that he should have handled it a whole lot better than what was posted, that there was no reason to curse them in the first place that he should have ask what they wanted in a polite manner and then told them that every thing was being handled and that they should move on , am i wrong or not

thanks for your input

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okay Im still mad about this!! Saturday evening when several of us lades were comming back on cty Q outside fennimore, we saw a suad car sitting on the road lights going, upon slowing down we saw a car headfirst down a steep ditch and smashed into a tree, no signs of the driver, (the snow on the doors hadnt been disturbed) no footprints down to the car so the deputy hadnt even gotten out to check the guy, he was sitting in his ar doing paperwork.
We instantly were concerned and pulled over to see if he needed help, well I was stuck in the backseat so I couldnt get out right away, another lady got out and headed towards the deputys car, he instantly shot out of his suad and hollered what the h** you doing?!?! shocked she told him we wanted to help if needed, he continued cussing and told us to leave period!
He hadnt even checked the guy/gal himself!!!
We took out rimw going into town becasue of the bad roads took us about 20 minutes, we didnt see the ambulance until we reached town and it went past with its lights out like no big deal!!!!
Well we called the department and complained, they will get back to us, YEAH RIGHT!! WHAT A FLIPPIN JOKE OF A DEPT!!! this is what were paying for! And this is only one example of crappy police/deputy work! Ohhhh! Grrrrr! Im cant belive tha gall of that man, and yes I do know the guys name too!
Does anyone know what happened to the guy?? Is he alive or dead??
Isnt it time we got fed up and changed the crappy system were having to deal with?

mudge

If someone is respectful to you at a stop, would you still write them a ticket if the only violation was not having a seatbelt on?

If you answered yes, ask yourself, why is it that the state (state used in the meaning of all government) has the authority to dictate to its citizens what it can and can't do.

Now I"m not talking about some idiot driving with his 6 month old baby bouncing around the car or his minor kids.

I'm talking about a grown adult that is sober and minding his own business getting a ticket just for not having his belt clicked.

If you answer yes I feel you have serious shortcomings but we're all entitled to our opinions, so feel free to explain to me why you think it is ok to be a tyrant. )humor)

mudge

First let me say i am Not in any way anti-leo I just need some info,
When is an officer Justified in searching an auto or ones person?
can a simple "NRA" decal or Visable hunting cloths be enough PC that a firearm is in the truck? (in areas where Guns are seriousily restricted) If an LEO is standing on line in a store and notices a Bulge on the right hip of the guy in fron of him can the leo question him? or even check his person? This all may sound like stupid questions but i am curious.

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mudge

Have a question for you LEO's here on GB. About 2-3 hours ago a county sherrifs deputy was doing as it appeared a normal drive by in the mobile home park where I live. This is nothing new as they do a drive through about once a week. It's a nice quiet park out in the country and it's a rarity if there is ever any problems here. But today I noticed that when he got to just right in front of my place he came to a stop and stayed there for about 3-4 minutes. At the point where he was stopped, all I could see was the back half of the patrol car out of my living room window. When he did proceed on, I went to my kitchen window and watched him drive on slowly, but I noticed for the first time ever, that this patrol car had something mounted and attached to the top of his drivers side mirror, which seemed real odd. My question is, what devise could this have been? Like I said I have never noticed this before, when they ever drove through. Could it have been a radar gun or maybe someknd of camera? But he only stopped right in front of my place for 3-4 minutes then continued on and out of the park. Thanks

mudge

Ok I have question for you LEO's... do any of you know what the CJTC rules are concerning Provisional Or working Reserve Police officers? I know this is a gun board but I really didn't know who else to ask. Thanks for any help!

mudge

As a trained professional, do you really noticed illegal activities in public that the average John Q Public would not notice.

Drug deals going down...
Any simpleton can observe blown headlight and broken taillight, but do "trained professionals" notice more subversive activities.

mudge

Just curious.Let me say this first. One of my BIGGEST pet peeves is seeing people driving and using a cell phone. Reinforced today because I got cut off (I was on the bike) by a woman in an SUV who was doing 85 mph on I-81. I know she was going that fast because she passed me and I know how fast I was going. Anyhoo...she goes around me and immediately pulls over in front of me with no more than 10 feet of space. NEVER looked. She probably STILL doesn't know I was there!Sorry, I got off on a tangent there.Here's my question: Could people who are driving and talking on the phone be charged with anything? "Failure to give full time and attention", "reckless driving", "driving to endanger"?HUH!!!!A VERY PI$$ED offMudge

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mudge

I check my local jails website daily to see who has been arrested. There is a column for what they were arrested for and sometimes it only says: Resisting arrest. My question is, how can someone only be charged with resisting arrest when there is no other crime to go with that charge?

mudge

Is there a difference between a charge of "Assualt & Battery" and just "Battery"?
I am applying for Concealed Carry permit. Knew I didn't have any domestic violence charges. But the APP says that " assualt & battery" charges are cause for non-approval.
Pulled up my crimminal records in which the only entries are for 2 "battery" charges from 1992 & 1994.
Do you think these would be cause for non approval?

mudge

I was reading an article on the DHS buying ammo. In the article it stated that hollow point ammo was not for training.

I was in the Army for 25 years and we trained with the same ammo we used in combat(except Blanks and SERTA ammo).

My Questions:

1. Do you train with the same ammo you carry on duty?


2. Do you have to qualify with the same ammo?


Thanks in advance.

Here is the article that made me question this

http://www.infowars.com/homeland-security-to-purchase-141000-rounds-of-sniper-ammo/

mudge

When watching traffic stops on tv shows,the ones taken with their video cams,why do so many officers touch the back of the car as they approach? Is it to leave proof,via fingerprints,that they had contact with that car,just in case ?

Since I"ve seen it dozens of times,makes me wonder if it's a 'recognized procedure' type of thing.

njretcop

Mudge, Unless there is a law against it, there's no law against it. How's that for a legal opinion? LOL It's true though, it is not illegal unless the state, county, or town have a specific ordinance against it. I know it doesn't help you, but the State of NY's new law went into effect Nov 1st banning the use of them while driving.Keep safe on that bike, I always respect a biker's place on the road as I am a closet HOG. Charlie

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Andrew Adams

As a regular cell phone user, I don't like being singled out.Distracted driving is distracted driving. I don't care whether the distraction is your phone, your radio, your kids, your problems at work, or your wife. The fact is that all distracted driving is wrong. I have driven in city traffic and talked on my cell phone for a while now. I use my head about what calls to make, and have never had a problem. Talking on the phone is not distracting if you use your head about it. It irritates the hell out of me that people want to be allowed to drive around with their radio at 130 decibels and then tell me I can't talk on the phone if I want to. My point is, a bad driver is a bad driver when not talking on the phone and a good driver is a good driver when talking on the phone.

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mudge

AndrewIMHO talking on a cell phone while driving makes a "good" driver, less than "good", and a bad driver, a menace.Mudge

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gunpaq

Mudge: Fortunately you did not get run over. Four years ago I was crippled for life by a guy talking on a cell phone who unknowingly crossed into the opposite lane hitting me head-on. He will never use a cell phone again nor will I ever walk without a cane or shoot a long gun standing unsupported. I was traveling 45mph delivering 10 tons of lumber and he was traveling 60mph talking to his girlfriend with whom he was arguing. He survived the crash but remains in a nursing home paralyzed from the neck down. I use a cell phone but do not drive and talk, it is simply just too risky before and after the accident. If you got to use one you got to use one but having a nonessential animated conversation while operating a vehicle in traffic is simply crimninal, period!

badboybob

People using cell phones while driving are as much of a menace as drunk drivers. I see people (mostle women) driving with a phone stuck in their ear and the other hand steering. They have half their attention on driving and the other half on yacking, and doing a half assed job of both.

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timberbeast

I pull over if I have to make a call, and I average 500 miles a week.......

Lowrider

I hate one-size-fits-all laws. There are people on the road who are downright dangerous behind the wheel even when concentrating 100%.I have seen the lame-*, can't drive and talk on the phone people; the lame-*, can't drive and talk to their passenger people; and let's don't forget the put-on-the-makeup, fuss-with-the-baby, admire-themselves-in-the-mirror airheaded young chickies. They're the same ones you see driving 50 mph through the mall parking lot.I really believe talking on the phone while driving is less dangerous than trying to dial the phone while driving.However, in my opinion, old, confused, senile drivers are the worst there are. I was several cars behind one the other day, and the old codger was driving between 25 and 35 mph. on a two-lane 55 mph state hiway. One-by-one the cars behind him got so pissed off they passed even when it wasn't safe to pass. A classic example of the old boy who'll say something like, "I been driving for 65 years and never been in an accident."Yeah. Never been in one, but probably caused a couple hundred. He just putts on down the road leaving a wake of destruction behind him.Test everybody - every time they renew. Oh, you didn't pass?? Get the hell off the road.

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biganimal

in 1988 I was stopped at a light on my scooter ('80 flh) when a guy blasted his mustang into me ,sending me 65 feet thru a busy intersection. I survived with minor cuts, bruises,& abrasions. His reason for hitting me ???He was distracted by the conversation that he was having with his brother who was sitting in the passenger seat........maybe we need a law that prohibits conversation in a moving vehicle!!!!!!NY's law will change nothing because drivers have millions of distractions while driving. There are not enough stats to prove that this cause more accidents than any other distraction.the following things have caused accidents that I know of over the last 10 years .maybe we can get em outlawed as wellsmoking cigarettestalking with passengersgawking reading billboardsreading books, maps, etc....having sexpetsand the list goes on and on.......

biganimal

mudge if she was doing 85 and pulled in front of you and left only 10 feet of open road between you and this WAS a problem, than YOU are guilty of a moving violation. seems funny that you are pi$$ing and moaning about her while you were breaking the law!!!!!!

wundudnee

Yeah, thats me next to you at the stoplight revving my dual pipes on my old 460 ford. You cant hear your sweety? T.S.

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Lowrider

Hey BigAnimal, how'd the Shovelhead survive that little ordeal?

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idsman75

People changing stations on their radio has caused more accidents than cell phones. The cell phone issue is a slippery slope. Soon it will be banning of audio systems in vehicles. Next it will be conversation because that too has caused accidents. In light of this, I will not align myself with all of the liberals crying for a cell phone ban in automobiles. I'll just drive defensively and give plenty of following distance. Oh gee whiz. I have been doing that anyway because that is what they taught me when I was 15 in driver's ed.BTW: I've been cut off by more people NOT talking on cell phones. Most dangerous encounters I and most other drivers have had were with people that were not using a cell phone.[This message has been edited by idsman75 (edited 11-03-2001).]

Iconoclast

Well, up here in Cow Hampshire, I think our legislators actually got it right. New law we have targets 'distractions' and poor driving (I don't recall the exact verbiage). It was written because of cell phone stupidity, but applies to any activity that detracts from driving, including coffee, changing the radio, whatever. Erratic operation = ticket. While slow drivers are dangerous because they infuriate people with places to go & things to do (we get a lot of tourists doing the same thing, all ages "Look, Agnes, there's a horse!"), but the leadfoot loonies are the ones who scare me. I typically drive limit + something (8 usually, as much as 15) & I still have a lot of vehicles go by me as if I were parked, often in the face of oncoming traffic. Accidents looking to happen.

Rembrandt

What about women drivers that are "Farding" while driving?.....yes, women that are appling their makeup while driving have caused me to take the shoulder more than once. Perhaps we should take all mirrors out of access of these drivers.....instead of driving defensively, their cars have become an offensive weapon. (heehee)I travel 1000-2000+ miles a week sometimes, cell phones are invaluable for business communication....like anything, one needs to use some common sense not to endanger others.

mudge

Regardless of all the arguments in defense of cell phoning and driving, I stand by my original position. Talking on the phone and driving, makes a "good" driver "less than good" and a bad driver, a menace.Biganimal....Didn't say I was speeding. I said I knew how fast I was going.Andrew....you say you've never had a problem with phoning and driving. How do you know you haven't created a problem for someone else?Most of the "talking drivers" are almost totally oblivious to their surroundings.Mudge

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Lightning

As I drive 700-800 miles per week and use a cell phone, here's the truth. I have never seen a single instance where me TALKING on my cell phone has impaired my driving. I will also say that DIALING my phone while driving has caused me to make several mistakes in the road. None of them caused any accidents but well could have. Now what I do if I need to call someone I pull of long enough to dial then take off. A good driver talking on a phone,changing radio stations,and smoking a cigarette all at the same time is still safer than half the steering wheel holders that call themselves driving that shouldnt be on the road period.

nunn

This was a topic of discussion on a radio talk station a few months ago. Someone had proposed a law prohibiting the use of a cell phone while driving. I was working, on patrol, and I could not resist. I called the station up on my cell phone, and said, "I am a cop. I am driving a police car on patrol, talking on this cell phone, drinking a cup of coffee and smoking a cigarette all at the same time."I guess it just depends on how good you are at multi-tasking.

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travelor

first of all, NY state laws are the mother of all anti everything laws. sorta like a breeding ground for disasters. Wanta see where our freedoms are headed, watch NY. specialy with hiliary. I took a pistol conceal carry safty coarse from a sheriff there, and he claimed that he has seen more accidents from motorists parked on the sholder of a busy roadway than any other distraction. especially since they are a distraction all by their self. How about the fool who drives down the road while reading a newspaper?

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Walt Nunley

10-4 NUNN.I THINK IM AN AUTHORITY ON TRAFFIC AND IVE SEEN PEOPLE HAVE NEAR MISSES DOING EVERYTHING(IF YOU CAN IMAGINE IT IVE SEENIT)I DRIVE ON AVERAGE 3500 MILES A WEEK I TALK ON MY CELL PHONE WHENEVER I GET THE URGE.FACE IT SOME PEOPLE CAN WALK AND CHEW BUBBLEGUM AT THE SAME TIME.IF YOU ARE NOT WILLING TO PASS LAWS THAT OUTLAW TALKING TO OTHERS IN THE VEHICLE,ADJUSTING THE RADIO,EATING,DRINKING,SMOKING OR CHEWING THEN GET OFF YOUR SOAPBOX BECAUSE ALL OF THOSE CAUSE MORE ACCIDENTS THAN CELLPHONES.I CAN DRIVE,CHECK MY MIRRORS,HONK MY HORN STEER,AND SHIFT MY 10 SPEED EATON FULLER TRANSMISSION,TALK TO MY WIFE ON THE PHONE AND TALK TO SOMEBODY ELSE ON THE C.B. ALL AT THE SAME TIME TALENTED HUH!!HA HA

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