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animal rights
kyplumber
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So my tour up here in northern wisconsin is almost done one or two classes left (natural resources) Any ways one of my classes deals with learning methods of wildlife reasearch and management. We were told to set up a trap line for small mammals. We did but one of the persons in my crew thought that it was extremely horrible that we caught these critters. So he went out one night before i checked the traps and sprung everyone of them.
I just dont understand this type of person. Pissed me off that he had to go and F%%%% up my learning oppotunity. The professor was notified but he couldnt even try to get this kid to understand.
I just dont understand this type of person. Pissed me off that he had to go and F%%%% up my learning oppotunity. The professor was notified but he couldnt even try to get this kid to understand.
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I'm nowhere near a PETA member, but I'd much rather eat a humanely killed wild living animal than have a cow pumped full of hormones and then stand in a hallway waiting to have his neck sliced
Truthfully I've never paid any mind to the slaughter of my dinner. I admit I would like to raise my own beef, but at this point in time I cant.
Anyone here care to guess or "educate" me on how much it would cost to have say five head of cattle? and maybe a hog. How much land and how much feed?
In other words, would it be cheaper to raise my own cows, or just keep buying 1.99 and 2.99 a lb hamburger, not to mention how expensive steaks are.
Still, much of the way food animals are kept and processed says some pretty uncomplimentary things about us. Doesn't stop me from eating them though.
quote:Originally posted by ruger270man
I'm nowhere near a PETA member, but I'd much rather eat a humanely killed wild living animal than have a cow pumped full of hormones and then stand in a hallway waiting to have his neck sliced
Truthfully I've never paid any mind to the slaughter of my dinner. I admit I would like to raise my own beef, but at this point in time I cant.
Anyone here care to guess or "educate" me on how much it would cost to have say five head of cattle? and maybe a hog. How much land and how much feed?
In other words, would it be cheaper to raise my own cows, or just keep buying 1.99 and 2.99 a lb hamburger, not to mention how expensive steaks are.
It would be cheaper to buy a yearling steer at auction and then grain feed it for about 1 month and then take it in for slaughter.
I am getting ready to do this very thing. I am going to keep the steer at a nieghbors for that 1 month and give him some beef for keeping it for me. I'll end up with all prime cuts of meat and burger for right at $2.50 to $3 per pound total.
Withthe Price of gas to Mow and the Price of Beef at the store I will now be ahead to raise a couple.
Need to do just that. Instead of Mowingthe pasture get a couple of Cows. Just have to reapir the fence. But am working on that now, by clearing the grass from it then will put up a new Hot wire.
Withthe Price of gas to Mow and the Price of Beef at the store I will now be ahead to raise a couple.
If you do that don't go more that one cow per acre. Even then you will probly have to supliment with hay (which is pretty expensive around here due to the drought).
The broiler feed was $5.00 a 50 bag last year. This year it's $10 a bag for a 40 lb. bag. I butcher them myself at 8 weeks. The broilers will be 12 to 15 lbs,(hens smaller, roosters bigger). Right now I'm at 7 weeks. The little buggers are eating me out of house and home. I'm up to $500 worth of feed so far, and 1 week to go. I paid $.80 apiece for them. Gonna be $560 in feed. I butcher them myself with friends. Place up the road charges $2.00 a bird if I had them do it. That makes them $8.40 apiece if I had them butchered, not counting electric, water, or hours I've spent shoveling poop and such.
Last year I sold them for $5.00 apiece and made a little profit. It will be $10 apiece this year. I won't be doing another batch this year, because I can't sell them for that.
And the price of corn keeps rising. It closed over $8 a bushel last week. Time to get out of the chicken business I suppose.
I'm looking forward to watching "30 Days" where an avid gun totting hunter is going to live with some P.E.T.A. family for 30 days. I wonder if it's going to be like that "Straight Man in Gay Man's Home" episode where this chritian who started out by saying gay is wrong changed his tune by the end.
I saw that episode.
He said he'd still keep hunting and wouldn't give up meat, but also that he'd be more conscious about where the meat he buys comes from.
I tend to agree with him...some of the stuff they do at the mega-farms is scary...I am surprised that their meat is still edible [xx(]
Don't get me started on the practice of pumping antibiotics into cattle for preventative purposes, sooner or later those idiots are going to breed a resistant bacteria that will wipe us out
Anyone here care to guess or "educate" me on how much it would cost to have say five head of cattle? and maybe a hog. How much land and how much feed?
In other words, would it be cheaper to raise my own cows, or just keep buying 1.99 and 2.99 a lb hamburger, not to mention how expensive steaks are.
Well KY, I raise cattle. Better off just buying a hog/steer rather than raise one or five.
First, if you are going to pasture cattle, you need about an acre a head of GOOD grass to feed them in the summer months, and you will need to buy grass hay in the winter. Don't forget even grass fed cattle need grain and supliments too. Corn is over 7 a bushel now.
Medications are super expensive. If you get a sick steer, you either let it die, or you give it anti-biotics. I keep several bottles of such meds and every one is over 5 dollars a cc (in 100cc ang bigger bottles) . Generally anti-biotics are dosed in 5cc per hundred weight.
Keep in mind IF you want the "prime" beef, which has the marbleing, you have to feed them on a "high energy diet", which is mainly corn. Calves will eat between 7 pounds (at six weeks old) and 35 pounds (at near full growth) of feed a DAY. There are approximately 53 pounds of corn in a bushel X 7.00 PLUS a bushel, plus suppliments, plus meds, plus any start up costs like fencing, waterers, bedding, and manure hauling ect.
In short, hobbie farming COST more than BUYING from someone else.
If you are looking for less expensive beef, buy a holstein steer, raised on a high energy diet. Holsteins don't bring as much money as "colored" cattle. Look for full briskets (not too flappy, and puffy like it is swollen), with nice fat globs on it's butt, where the tail comes from the spine.
Your target weight is about 1400 pounds.
Hope this helps.
I'm nowhere near a PETA member, but I'd much rather eat a humanely killed wild living animal than have a cow pumped full of hormones and then stand in a hallway waiting to have his neck sliced
i had a professor that thought the same way...
i said i was making deer chili for a field trip. she was all for it.
then i found out she doesnt eat processed meat and that why she ate my chili with a select few of us.
i felt honored
I do not agree with the feeding program he mentions..I have found that a steer taken off grass at 800 pounds and fed for 45 days on a really good grain program to be far superiour beef then one fed out 120 days or more.
I like tender, tasty beef, with a layer of fat on the outside of the cut...not marbled thru the beef.
You get that with a gain of 3-4 pounds a day on the beef..and the meat is wonderfully tender.
Now..mind you..I don't personally want beef that falls apart on the fork..just where you need to exercise just a bit to get the taste.
Just one other thing. Beef in your back pasture is YOURS...and not dependant on a truck or a dozen middleman markups to get to your wallet...or perhaps non-existant when you need it.
That being said...goats are tasty, also..as are rabbits...and require somewhat less expensive feeds..