In order to participate in the GunBroker Member forums, you must be logged in with your GunBroker.com account. Click the sign-in button at the top right of the forums page to get connected.

NRA gives $ to "Gun Control Baucus"

Josey1Josey1 Member Posts: 9,598 ✭✭
edited November 2001 in General Discussion
NRA gives $ to "Gun Control Baucus"by Gary MarbutPresident, Montana Shooting Sports Associationmssa@mtssa.org October 29, 2001Dear MSSA Friends,It has recently come to my attention that the NRA has been giving money to Senator Max Baucus (D-MT). According to the Website that tracks all of the candidate and donor financial information available from the Federal Elections Commission (FEC), (See http://www.tray.com/fecinfo/.) both Baucus and NRA-PVF (Political Victory Fund - the name of the NRA political action committee) FEC reports show that the NRA on 06/26/01 gave the Baucus re-election campaign a $3,950.00 contribution.Most of you will remember that Max Baucus built his political career on steady and sworn promises to NEVER vote for any gun control. Then, in 1994, and at the special request of his then-buddy, Bill Clinton, Baucus betrayed his longstanding promises to Montana voters and became the single swing vote on pass/fail procedural votes on both the Brady Bill and the Feinstein semi-auto and magazine ban bill.Saying that Baucus was the swing vote on pass/fail procedural votes means that if he had kept his promises to Montana voters, neither bill would have passed the Senate or Congress. Max's betrayal made it happen.You will remember the intense effort made by MSSA and its members to replace Max when our very pro-gun Lt. Governor, Denny Rehberg, ran against him. You may even remember that this heroic effort by gun owners was undercut in the last days of the campaign by the NRA (if you want a copy of the letter I sent to Neal Knox then explaining this fiasco, let me know).Now, we learn that the NRA is giving money to Baucus.I spoke at length with the NRA staffer in NRA/ILA Federal Affairs who is responsible for dealing with Baucus for the NRA. We talked for nearly an hour, and I admit to not being very kind to him. Among other things, I asked him why nobody in the NRA had bothered to ask anybody in Montana if it might or might not be a good idea to begin funding Baucus. I did learn several interesting things:1) The decision to give Baucus money was not his (he says), but came from "higher up" (he works for Charles Cunningham, who works for Jim Baker, who works for Wayne LaPierre and the NRA Board of Directors).2) He asserts that the NRA money doesn't mean the same as an NRA endorsement (Yeah, right. Baucus will certainly spin it as an endorsement, and it certainly starts the process of giving Baucus more money, to be followed by an eventual endorsement.)3) He says that Baucus has voted right lately, and that the NRA cannot turn its back on this good behavior.4) He says that the NRA has an established policy of actively AVOIDING any input from states when making decisions about how to treat members of Congress (which is why they didn't bother to call and ask our opinion about giving Baucus money).So, here's what I'd like to do.Please send me a comment about this - speak your mind -, which I will forward to people in the NRA structure. I will also collect these comments and send them back out to the MSSA list.Please, try to avoid language that can't be used in polite company. Try to keep your comment fairly brief - say under 100 words. And, please sign your name and give the community in which you reside (for example: Gary Marbut, Missoula). If you occupy any particular position, like an officer of a local gun club, or an elected office, please state that as you sign your comment.Also, free to forward this to any gun-owning and freedom-loving friends in Montana, for their possible comment to me and the NRA also.I hope to hear from you soon.Gary MarbutPresident, Montana Shooting Sports Association http://www.mtssa.org mssa@mtssa.org P.S. For point of clarification, I am a Life Member of the NRA. People in the NRA will tell you that I have been critical of the NRA as often as I have been complimentary. I've been an unsuccessful candidate for the NRA Board of Directors, and I have also served on the Board of Gun Owners of America, a sometimes NRA competitor. Also, MSSA is affiliated with the NRA, as it is also affiliated with the Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms. As an NRA affiliate, MSSA is not subservient to the NRA, nor do we have any special power to compel NRA behavior.Finally, for in-state political issues, such as legislative affairs and election of legislative candidates, MSSA deals with a different subdivision of the NRA, one called "State and Local". The hierarchy looks like this: Under the NRA, there is a branch called the Institute for Legislative Action (ILA). That is the political branch of the NRA. ILA has several subdivisions, including "Federal Affairs" and "State and Local". It is the Federal Affairs subdivision which has given money to Baucus. In the State and Local subdivision, the "State Liaison" for Montana is Brian Judy, who works VERY WELL with us in Montana, and has traveled to Montana to shoot the Ban Baucus Assault Rifle Event at our annual fundraising bowling pin shoot. Brian is definitely a good guy, and has little contact or influence with those in ILA who have given money to Baucus.Along with working for gun rights and liberty, Gary Marbut manufactures gravity-powered shooting range equipment for law enforcement, IPSC and IDPA. He is most well-known for his gravity turner, which gives the shooter of a tactical course a momentary target exposure, adjustable in duration from 1/2 to 8 seconds. See http://www.TargetOperator.com.

Comments

  • jazzjazz Member Posts: 83 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    What a freaking shame!!We're supposed to be fighting thiskind of political horse sh*t, butyet blatantly giving in to it. Therank and file of the NRA need to getnew leadership in a real hurry!
  • berto64berto64 Member Posts: 57 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Sounds like they are trying to "buy" him back into the "fold". What is the stance on gun control of his opponents? Hopefully this will not become a habit with the NRA.
    What! Trade my M-14 for that plastic piece of ___t!Endeavor to Persevere
  • TheGunDocTheGunDoc Member Posts: 4 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    What berto64 said !!!
  • ghotie_thumperghotie_thumper Member Posts: 1,561 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Sounds to me like the NRA is 'not really attempting' to keep all of our gun rights intact. Is this their way of winning the battle, by giving concession hoping the other side will now take a step back and allow things to remain status quo. What was the Idea behind supporting this Politician? Was he the lesser of 2 evils in the state of Montana? I talked to one of their State Troopers and a County Deputy while hunting there a few years back. When I told them I was from Kalifornia they gave Kondolences then went on to say they wished Kalifornia would stop producing inane legislation because Montana's Legislature had a way of using Kalifornia as a Model for their state. I was told that many of Montana's newest laws were verbatim, Kalifornia Laws. Could this be true? If it is I feel bad for the People in Montana and they need to voice their opinions quickly and loudly to get things back in order. It seems to be too late here in the PRK, save yourselves. And me with only 12 yrs to retirement eligibility. Stuck in the PRK.
  • salzosalzo Member Posts: 6,396 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Thanks to HIGHBALL(by the way, where have you been Highball), my opinion on the NRAs commitment to endorsing candidates who vote for gun control measures has totally changed. They give money to my Senator(Rick Santorum) who has quite a pro Brady voting record growing under his belt. More important, they give him an A+, while the GOA gives him a c-. I am starting to think the NRA is doing a disservice to gun owners and the second amendment. And now this CARA nonsense they are getting involved with!!??
  • Judge DreadJudge Dread Member Posts: 2,372 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Political tools of the trade ,Promise & Betrayal
    I judge Thee!, Not for what you are , but for what you say !
  • IconoclastIconoclast Member Posts: 10,515 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    WOW - Thanks yet again, Josey1. Guess I'll be taking a lot closer look at NRA political donations, myself.
  • HighballHighball Member Posts: 15,755
    edited November -1
    Salzo ; Kind words to an old man.The highest asperation a man could have is to help others to look critically at that which is accepted uncritically. I have been watching with dismay as the people of this country line up behind Bush as he implements what his daddy talked about...and the resultant loss of even more freedoms in this country.Remember,please,Bin Laden did not frisk you and remove your fingernail file...your fed.gov.did.
    God,Guts,& GunsHave we lost all 3 ??
Sign In or Register to comment.