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Invasion Preperation
KrinkovMan
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I have been thinking about the U.S maybe being invaded more and more these past couple years. I know its not likely some one would bring war to us but if they did what would you guys want to have in great supply? Im talking about Ammo, Water, Food and so on. Also, does anyone in Florida know where i could take a CQC class?
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Look at the SHTF thread. If the US were to be invaded and the invasion somewhat successful, people are going to lose confidence in the dollar and the dollar will become worthless.
Anything you'd want to buy/sell will almost likely be done via barter.
The best currency is going to be food. I know this sounds weird, but when you consider that most people don't have enough food in their pantry to supply them through a three-day blizzard (or, in your case, a three-day hurricane), food will become the most important commodity available.
Water would be important, too, although you can get away with a small bottle of bleach instead. Find pretty much any water, put a few drops of bleach in it, and the water is sterile for drinking.
The ammo, of course, is to be used for defensive purposes unless you've got the balls/training to go on the offensive. I'd not be wasting ammo trying to take out the bad guys who are busy doing other things. I'd be using the ammo to defend myself and my family.
Just my thoughts.
Good heavens, man... why in the world are you worried about some sorta foreign invasion when there's zombies to worry about?!?[:p]
NOTE: Technically zombies are conisdered either an "armageddon" or an "outbreak," not an invasion.[:D]
I think it's coming. I'm surprised there have not been any here yet. We've already seen what the 'east coast snipers' did to the folks on the east coast. Iran could EASILY fund a few thousand fanatics to come to America and begin blowing up large congregations of
Americans..
Remember, there have been many Palestinian bombers who were university students - they all aren't uneducated camel jockeys.
I hope I'm wrong.
The psychology behind suicide bombings.
By Pierre Rehov, documentary filmmaker
On July 15, MSNBC's "Connected" program discussed the July 7th London attacks. One of the guests was Pierre Rehov, a French filmmaker who has filmed six documentaries on the Intifada by going undercover in the Palesti nian areas. Pierre's upcoming film, "Suicide Killers," is based on interviews that he conducted with the families of suicide bombers and would-be bombers in an attempt to find out why they do it. Pierre agreed to a request for a Q&A interview here about his work on the new film.
Q - What inspired you to produce "Suicide Killers," your seventh film?
A - I started working with victims of suicide attacks to make a film on PTSD (Post Traumatic Stress Disorder) when I became fascinated with the personalities of those who had committed those crimes, as they were described again and again by their victims. Especially the fact that suicide bombers are all smiling one second before they blow themselves up.
Q - Why is this film especially important?
A - People don't understand the devastating culture behind this unbelievable phenomenon. My film is not politically correct because it addresses the real problem, showing the real face of Islam. It points the finger against a culture of hatred in which the uneducated are brainwashed to a level where their only solution in life becomes to kill themselves and kill others in the n ame of a God whose word, as transmitted by other men, has become their only certitude.
Q - What insights did you gain from making this film? What do you know that other experts do not know?
A - I came to the conclusion that we are facing a neurosis at the level of an entire civilization. Most neuroses have in common a dramatic event, generally linked to an unacceptable sexual behavior. In this case, we are talking of kids living all their lives in pure frustration, with no opportunity to experience sex, love, tenderness or even understanding from the opposite sex. The separation between men and women in Islam is absolute. So is contempt toward women, who are totally dominated by men. This leads to a situation of pure anxiety , in which normal behavior is not possible. It is no coincidence that suicide killers are mostly young men dominated subconsciously by an overwhelming libido that they not only cannot satisfy but are afraid of, as if it is the work of the devil.
Since Islam describes heaven as a place where everything on Earth will finally be allowed, and promises 72 virgins to those frustrated kids, killing others and killing themselves to reach this redemption becomes their only solution.
Q - What was it like to interview would-be suicide bombers, their families and survivors of suicide bombings?
A - It was a fascinating and a terrifying experience. You are dealing with seemingly normal people with very nice manners who have their own logic, which to a certain extent can make sense since they are so convinced that what they say is true. It is like dealing with pure craziness, like interviewing people in an asylum, since what they say, is for them, the absolute truth. I hear a mother saying "Thank God, my son is dead." Her son had became a shaheed, a martyr, which for her was a greater source of pride than if he had became an engineer, a doctor or a winner of the Nobel Prize.
This system of values works completely backwards since their interpretation of Islam worships death much more than life. You are facing people whose only dream, only achievement goal is to fulfill what they believe to be their destiny, namely to be a Shaheed or the family of a shaheed. They don't see the innocent being killed, they only see the impure that they have to destroy.
Q - You say suicide bombers experience a moment of absolute power, beyond punishment. Is death the ultimate power?
A - Not death as an end, but death as a door opener to the after life. They are seeking the reward that God has promised them. They work for God, the ultimate authority, above all human laws. They therefore experience this single delusional second of absolute power, where nothing bad can ever happen to them, since they become God's sword.
Q - Is there a suicide bomber personality profile? Describe the psychopathology.
A - Generally kids between 15 and 25 bearing a lot of complexes, generally inferiority complexes. They must have been fed with religion. They usually have a lack of developed personality. Usually they are impressionable idealists. In the western world they would easily have become drug addicts, but not criminals. Interestingly, they are not criminals since they don't see good and evil the same way that we do. If they had been raised in an Occidental culture, they would have hated violence. But they constantly battle against their own death anxiety. The only solution to this deep-seated pathology is to be willing to die and be rewarded in the afterlife in Paradise.
Q - Are suicide bombers principally motivated by religious conviction?
A - Yes, it is their only conviction. They don't act to gain a territory or to find freedom or even dignity. They only follow Allah, the supreme judge, and what He tells them to do.
Q - Do all Muslims interpret jihad and martyrdom in the same way?
A - All Muslim believers believe that, ultimately, Islam will prevail on earth. They believe this is the only true religion and there is no room, in their mind, for interpretation. The main difference between moderate Muslims and extremists is that moderate Muslims don't think they will see the absolute victory of Islam during their lifetime, therefore they respect other beliefs. The extremists believe that the fulfillment of the Prophecy of Islam and ruling the entire world as described in the Koran, is for today. Each victory of Bin Laden convinces 20 million moderate Muslims to become extremists.
Q - Describe the culture that manufactures suicide bombers.
A - Oppression, lack of freedom, brain washing, organized poverty, placing God in charge of daily life, total separation between men and women, forbidding sex, givin g women no power whatsoever, and placing men in charge of family honor, which is mainly connected to their women's behavior.
Q - What socio-economic forces support the perpetuation of suicide bombings?
A - Muslim charity is usually a cover for supporting terrorist organizations. But one has also to look at countries like Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and Iran, which are also supporting the same organizations through different networks. The ironic thing in the case of Palestinian suicide bombers is that most of the money comes through financial support from the Occidental world, donated to a culture that utterly hates and rejects the West (mainly symbolized by Israel).
Q - Is there a financial support network for the families of the suicide bombers? If so, who is paying them and how does that affect the decision?
A - There used to be a financial incentive in the days of Saddam Hussein ($25,000 per family) and Yasser Arafat (smaller amounts), but these days are gone. It is a mistake to believe that these families would sacrifice their children for money. Although, the children themselves who are very attached to their families, might find in this financial support another reason to become suicide bombers. It is like buying a life insurance policy and then committing suicide.
Q - Why are so many suicide bombers young men?
A - As discussed above, libido is paramount. Also ego, because this is a sure way to become a hero. The shaheed are the cowboys or the firemen of Islam. Shaheed is a positively reinforced value in this culture. And what kid has never dreamed of becoming a cowboy or a fireman?
Q - What role does the U.N. play in the terrorist equation?
A - The U.N. is in the hands of Arab countries and third world or ex-communist countries. Their hands are tied. The U.N. has condemned Israel m ore than any other country in the world, including the regime of Castro, Idi Amin or Kaddahfi. By behaving this way, the U.N. leaves a door open by not openly condemning terrorist organizations. In addition, through UNRWA, the U.N. is directly tied to terror organizations such as Hamas, representing 65 percent of their apparatus in the so-called Palestinian refugee camps. As a support to Arab countries, the U.N. has maintained Palestinians in camps with the hope to "return" into Israel for more than 50 years, therefore making it impossible to settle those populations, which still live in deplorable conditions. Four hundred million dollars are spent every year, mainly financed by U.S. taxes, to support 23,000 employees of UNRWA, many of whom belong to terrorist organizations (see Congressman Eric Cantor on this subject, and in my film "Hostages of Hatred").
Q - You say that a suicide bomber is a 'stupid bomb and a smart bomb' simultaneously. Explain what you mean.
A - Unlike an electronic device, a suicide killer has until the last second the capacity to change his mind. In reality, he is nothing but a platform representing interests which are not his, but he doesn't know it.
Q - How can we put an end to the madness of suicide bombings and terrorism in general?
A - Stop being politically correct and stop believing that this culture is a victim of ours. Radical Islamism today is nothing but a new form of Nazism. Nobody was trying to justify or excuse Hitler in the 1930s. We had to defeat him in order to make peace one day with the German people.
Q - Are these men traveling outside their native areas in large numbers? Based on your research, would you predict that we are beginning to see a new wave of suicide bombings outside the Middle East?
A - Every successful terror attack is considered a victory by the radical Islamists. Everywhere Islam expands there is regional conflict. Right now, there are thousands of candidates for martyrdom lining up in training camps in Bosnia, Afghanistan and Pakistan. Inside Europe, hundreds of illegal mosques are preparing the next step of brain washing to lost young men who cannot find a satisfying ide ntity in the Occidental world. Israel is much more prepared for this than the rest of the world will ever be. Yes, there will be more suicide killings in Europe and the U.S. Sadly, this is only the beginning.
What? No one has noticed? [:0]
We are ALREADY being invaded. [:(!]
What? No one has noticed? [:0]
I think he means invaded by force, not invaded the way we're currently being invaded.
JM[V]
Ammo, water and food.
Look at the SHTF thread. If the US were to be invaded and the invasion somewhat successful, people are going to lose confidence in the dollar and the dollar will become worthless.
Anything you'd want to buy/sell will almost likely be done via barter.
The best currency is going to be food. I know this sounds weird, but when you consider that most people don't have enough food in their pantry to supply them through a three-day blizzard (or, in your case, a three-day hurricane), food will become the most important commodity available.
Water would be important, too, although you can get away with a small bottle of bleach instead. Find pretty much any water, put a few drops of bleach in it, and the water is sterile for drinking.
The ammo, of course, is to be used for defensive purposes unless you've got the balls/training to go on the offensive. I'd not be wasting ammo trying to take out the bad guys who are busy doing other things. I'd be using the ammo to defend myself and my family.
Just my thoughts.
+1. In the even of an invasion, the general public will be looting and causing all kinds of ruckus. My arms and ammunition will be there to protect myself from these fools. No Red Dawn Wolverine here. I'd also keep blankets, water tablets, tarps(brown), non-perishable foods (beans, corn, soups), firewood, charcoal, plenty of coleman fuel, etc.
I have been thinking about the U.S maybe being invaded more and more these past couple years. I know its not likely some one would bring war to us but if they did what would you guys want to have in great supply? Im talking about Ammo, Water, Food and so on. Also, does anyone in Florida know where i could take a CQC class?
Stock up on Pecans!
http://www.osagepecans.com
-if martial law is declared, the cops might want to (try to) take your guns away. or as in Iraq, let you have only 1 gun per household.
-if there's rioting, as in LA, yep, you may need a firearm to keep looters away and/or protect your place of business.
-in Sarajevo, lots of people starved to death. a 5 pound bag of flour went for 300 deutchemarks. a pack of Marlboros went for 8 bucks US. if you owned a farm and could keep looters away, people would come to you looking to buy food.
who knows what level of lawlessmess there may be? but there are plenty of recent examples of what could happen at all levels.
and don't forget your part in repelling foreign invaders. small groups would be most effective with long range weapons.
one thing most people don't appreciate the value of is knowledge. there are army feild manuals readily available that show you how to do all kinds of things. first aid, escape/survival, fieldcraft, most of the essential stuff. you would be far more likely to survive such a scenario if you had a library of stuff and read it.
I think the best book I ever read on fieldcraft was the Boy Scout Handbook. that's a must-have.
The FoxFire series...about ten of them.
The first 100 issues of Mother Earth News.
As mentioned above...knowledge cannot be stolen from you...learn all you can about 'how things work"...not high tech stuff.....survival information.
Take a first-aid course.
Lay in a case or three of cheap whiskey...you will be able to trade for an HK-91 and a case of ammo for a quart of the stuff...
Needles....cheap as dirt today....and unavailible 15 moments after a break-down.
Get an old pick-up...one with points and a half-dozen wires under the hood...and a handful of points, plugs, oil,filters...and bailing wire and duct tape to hold things together..
Get yourself out into a smaller town..with a place to grow a garden..best to have a well or spring on the place.
Forget being a 'lone wolf'..you cannot watch 24/7 four directions at once...and when you appear well-fed...the skinny guy watching you will take you out....
Looters would just take you out when you collapsed from fatigue by yourself, no matter how many guns you have or how well trained you are.
3-Bows, 4,000 arrows
23,000 rounds of .223
2,000 rounds of 50BMG
6,000 rounds of .17HMR
8,000 rounds of .204(in 32 & 39gr)
15lbs C4
300yds Bomb Fuse
Oh & 3-dozen Krispy Kreme glazed donuts
Well for my family here in Central/Rural MO, it would be 1,700-1,800 gallons of water in 1 gal jugs, 200 #10 cans each of assorted cooked beans, 200 lbs each of flour & sugar & peanut butter, 600lbs charcoal, 20ea 30lb propane tanks, several first aid kits, several hundred assorted batteries & flashlights. 150lbs of Tide detergent, 25 gallons of Bleach. 5 Can openers. 500 foot of rope. several thousand assorted paper plates,utensils, napkins. 1200 Rolls toilet paper. Assorted Advils, etc. Several thousand matches & lighter fluids, lighters etc.
3-Bows, 4,000 arrows
23,000 rounds of .223
2,000 rounds of 50BMG
6,000 rounds of .17HMR
8,000 rounds of .204(in 32 & 39gr)
15lbs C4
300yds Bomb Fuse
Oh & 3-dozen Krispy Kreme glazed donuts
And a partridge in a pear tree.
You must be prepared to withstand the slings and arrows of the really smart guys out there...the ones that cannot cook breakfast tomorrow morning without running down to the Quik-Trip for eggs.
They will harass you endlessly...and they will be the first to show up on your doorstep to beg for a crust of bread...or kill you for it...