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Today's ruling means nothing....
guns-n-painthorses
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The SCOTUS left the back door so wide open that nothing will change. Yes, you have the right to own a gun, but you have to do this, and this, and this, pay this, show this, jump thru this hoop, provide this, copy in triplicate, go here, add this, Wait here, show this, and so on,[xx(] and so on.[xx(]
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MO, CT, VA.
WAY too many people jumping for joy around here. Either they don't understand, or they LIKE government telling them what they feel they are ALLOWED to do, at the government's whim.
This judgment confirmed their entire platform.
The government is the sole arbiter of who may..or may not.own a gun.
You may exercise your Rights. But ONLY with the permission of that government.
"Self defense" the August Judges intoned .."Lawful purposes" they crooned."Hunting purposes", comes the seductive whispers..
And like baby birds, the gun owners of the land gobbled up the poison scraps of tyranny..eagerly, willingly..
Unknowing and uncaring the Second Amendment was placed their for the express purpose of RESISTING TYRANNY..
The tyranny of government deciding who may or may not own weapons.
Y'all suggesting that Mr. Heller shoulda just sucked it up and gone without a gun because he chose to live in D.C.? Maybe the ruling today only bought freedom a little bit of time--but hadn't you rather have the time than NOT?
I swear, some of you folks wouldn't be happy if we had an earthquake that ripped the country in half, killing millions of babies and bunnies.
Wait till B.O. takes the reins. You'll, no doubt, love his brand of government...and the socialist judges he appoints, and the leftist loonies who kiss his * just to go down in history as schmoozing the "first balack president." You won't find a hoop you'll be able to squeeze through, let alone JUMP through, with regard to owning a firearm. And YOUR government will be "whimming" the skin right off your back--and every nickel out of your bank account, and every worshiper right out of your church. And the chorus of "I TOLD YOU SO" will resound from the hills...no joy in Mudville that day, I say.
FA-LA-LA-LA-LA-LA-LA-LA-LA [:(][xx(][V][:(!]
Correct me if I'm wrong--and I'm absolutely CERTAIN someone will, whether I'm wrong or not--but since Mr. Heller filed a suit against the city of Washington, D.C. and since the matter made its way before the Supreme Court and since the SC chose to accept the case and promised to issue a ruling, what happened today was the better of two possible outcomes. The other outcome would have been that the majority--8-1; 7-2; 6-3, or as it turned out earlier in the case of the administration of the death penalty in child rape cases: 5-4--might have ruled AGAINST the common, sensible interpretation and by next week the whackos in Congress and moronic councils in towns from sea to shining sea would be snatching and grabbing what few liberties we DO have with regard to private ownership of guns. Would that have made you fellers happier? You could be harmonizing the old saw: "I told you so!" to whatever might be your favorite melody just about now. And you'd still be in the same boat with the rest of us--S.O.L. with regard to liking "government telling them what they feel they are ALLOWED to do, at the government's whim" and "jump thru this hoop, provide this, copy in triplicate, go here, add this, Wait here, show this, and so on," and, lest we forget, "bingo."
Y'all suggesting that Mr. Heller shoulda just sucked it up and gone without a gun because he chose to live in D.C.? Maybe the ruling today only bought freedom a little bit of time--but hadn't you rather have the time than NOT?
I swear, some of you folks wouldn't be happy if we had an earthquake that ripped the country in half, killing millions of babies and bunnies.
Wait till B.O. takes the reins. You'll, no doubt, love his brand of government...and the socialist judges he appoints, and the leftist loonies who kiss his * just to go down in history as schmoozing the "first balack president." You won't find a hoop you'll be able to squeeze through, let alone JUMP through, with regard to owning a firearm. And YOUR government will be "whimming" the skin right off your back--and every nickel out of your bank account, and every worshiper right out of your church. And the chorus of "I TOLD YOU SO" will resound from the hills...no joy in Mudville that day, I say.
FA-LA-LA-LA-LA-LA-LA-LA-LA [:(][xx(][V][:(!]
No, I think it's great that the SCOUS said Mr. Heller can now have his gun. Just wait to see all the bull$heet that he is going to have to go thru to get it. And remember, they didn't say any gun, just "a" gun.
Those of us concerned about the ultimate direction this country is taking find no joy in todays decision.
Rather a decison totally banning weapons...so that people like you would have no place to hide anymore.
Submit...or fight.
You are exactly right.
Well, Ram, for you folks that prefer to shove off on your kids the necessity of either rebelling and taking this country back.or submitting to being herded off to camps complete with grave trenches ..you sing a good song.
Those of us concerned about the ultimate direction this country is taking find no joy in todays decision.
Rather a decison totally banning weapons...so that people like you would have no place to hide anymore.
Submit...or fight.
+1
There are some very short sighted folks around here...
Well, Ram, for you folks that prefer to shove off on your kids the necessity of either rebelling and taking this country back.or submitting to being herded off to camps complete with grave trenches ..you sing a good song.
Those of us concerned about the ultimate direction this country is taking find no joy in todays decision.
Rather a decison totally banning weapons...so that people like you would have no place to hide anymore.
Submit...or fight.
Well, HIGH, you don't have a clue about "people like me." You don't know me or what I stand for. Did you even read my post? Which of the two possible outcomes of the SC's ruling would YOU have preferred today? If you lament this one--which in some twisted way you seem to be doing--would you have celebrated the other? I did not personally crack a bottle of bubbly today. Didn't take the wife out to dinner even. But I do rather give thanks that the ruling was what it was--and not the opposite. Is that too much from "people like me?"
Our country didn't get in the shape it's in by today's SC ruling. It got here because "people like YOU" didn't stand up against the leftist onslaught over the past couple of generations. What children will YOU send to the rebellion? Why not YOU? Show me YOUR scars from resisting the demise of America's soul.
Really, where do you people get off whining NOW? You should have been whining back in 1963 when the ruling was 8-1 against the future of America. Maybe you thought that was a GOOD ruling?
Whatever...[:0]
I cannot begin to understand what makes you tick...and don't want to.
I quit opening your posts because of the depravity of them.
I have EXPLAINED the outcome I 'wished for'.. upholding a total ban on weapons.
This decision does NOTHING..save allow a steady ever increasing tightening noose around the neck of gun owners.
I am sorry that you cannot see that. Or more likely.."Peace in our times" is more your style.
Scars, you want ? you cannot begin to know.
quote:Originally posted by Highball
Well, Ram, for you folks that prefer to shove off on your kids the necessity of either rebelling and taking this country back.or submitting to being herded off to camps complete with grave trenches ..you sing a good song.
Those of us concerned about the ultimate direction this country is taking find no joy in todays decision.
Rather a decison totally banning weapons...so that people like you would have no place to hide anymore.
Submit...or fight.
+1
There are some very short sighted folks around here...
You referring to me, Eric? Your sig picture is a bit outdated, don't you think. The way I see it--with my shortsightedness--Mr. McCain is the ONLY choice left to us in the present state of affairs. Or is it really Osama for hope and change? You and the rest can whine and moan about the present state of things but you really have few choices available, short of insurrection and war in the streets. Let me know when to meet up there in Idaho; I'll bring my toys and plenty of ammo. But until I hear from you about the opening of hostilities, in the system before us, you have to make the best of what you got...or fix it with fantasy-power by posting profoundly groovy stuff on an internet forum.
Once again ..the definition of insanity.
Doing the same things over and over and over ..expecting different results.
`Course ..some sad sacks are so enamored over bush ..the third term is attractive to them.
No Ram..I have no clue about people like you.
I cannot begin to understand what makes you tick...and don't want to.
I quit opening your posts because of the depravity of them.
I have EXPLAINED the outcome I 'wished for'.. upholding a total ban on weapons.
This decision does NOTHING..save allow a steady ever increasing tightening noose around the neck of gun owners.
I am sorry that you cannot see that. Or more likely.."Peace in our times" is more your style.
Scars, you want ? you cannot begin to know.
Check the definition of that word before you use it. It might mean something you didn't intend.
But since we're having this cozy discussion, how about explaining just exactly HOW today's ruling "allow a steady ever increasing tightening noose around the neck of gun owners" and explain how a ruling in the opposite would have been preferred. Really, I want to know. Please enlighten me.
quote:Mr. McCain is the ONLY choice left to us in the present state of affairs.
Once again ..the definition of insanity.
Doing the same things over and over and over ..expecting different results.
`Course ..some sad sacks are so enamored over bush ..the third term is attractive to them.
I'm not saying that I'm FOR McCain--in a wide open field of choices, I would MUCH PREFER someone else--but show me, if you will, WHO are the choices? The way things look, in the fall when I go to the polls, there will be TWO names on the ballot. McCain and Osama. Help me decide between the two. Maybe I should stay home and HOPE neither one wins. Fat chance. Or maybe I should stay home and let a bunch of starry eyed leftists choose for me. Slim chance. I don't see our nation IMPROVING with either choice. I didn't expect it to IMPROVE with Bush or any of his predecessors. But if I can slow its DEMISE by choosing one over the other, should I not take a shot?
Or is it really about meaningless saber-rattling and macho fantasizing here on the forum? [|)]
What are you guys waiting for, don't you have the strength of your convictions. Why don't you just go out and confront the BATF and the other FED's. Start the revolution today, are you afraid. Again, what are you waiting for, the courts are never going to help you with either the total ban or total freedom. Tell them about the things you have the they don't want you to have and dare them to come get them.
Highball and ECC
What are you guys waiting for, don't you have the strength of your convictions. Why don't you just go out and confront the BATF and the other FED's. Start the revolution today, are you afraid. Again, what are you waiting for, the courts are never going to help you with either the total ban or total freedom. Tell them about the things you have the they don't want you to have and dare them to come get them.
More collectivist garbage spewed forth by a collectivist puke. The 2nd was dealt a severe blow today, and you can't even see it. The hostility you direct at ECC and Highball stems from the fact you have no understanding what it means to be free vs what it means to be a slave. You are content begging daddy government for something that has always been a God-given right. Lick the boots if you will, but there are those of us who have too much pride to do so. We are called Americans.
Regardless of even if all 9 of the supreme court justices had ruled that every citizen can own as many guns of any type and carry them anywhere with no restrictions, we gun people would STILL have had to continue the fight to excerise our gun rightsl. There would have still been various governments claiming that they had devised a new anti-gun law that was not prohobited by the SCOTUS decision. This would mean that we pro-gun people would still have to remain organized and fight such attempts at gun prohobition.
The ruling was a major win compared to if we had lost. If we had lost, every time we gun people filed a lawsuit claiming we deserved gun rights, our opponents could have blown our claim out of the water by presenting the SCOTUS decision (if we had lost) that we have NO constitutional right to own guns.
But look what happened. Basically the SCOTUS ruled that we citizens DO HAVE a constituional right to own firearms. Now, when an anti-gun lawsuit is filed or anti-law passed they will have to try and find a way around that giant roadblock against anti-gun rights attempts that was just put in place by the SCOTUS.
Geez S Crist people. The anti-gun side sees this decision as a major loss for them. Can't most of you at least try to put on a happy face at least once in your life? Or does it make you look more shrewd and knowledgable if you always complain?
But...no dice. I obey ..grudgingly ..all the laws that you crawl EAGERLY to obey.
In fact...I probably obey MORE laws then you ..so as to make it more difficult for them.
No...I am going to stay around as long as I can ..calling 'coward' on the belly crawlers that infest America.
Meanwhile ..here and there, a man stands up and realizes that we are being screwed, Blued, and tattooed by the Beast.
And I would rather have 1 man in a thousand understanding what is happening.then ten thousand like you and hobby.
Geez S Crist people. The anti-gun side sees this decision as a major loss for them. Can't most of you at least try to put on a happy face at least once in your life? Or does it make you look more shrewd and knowledgable if you always complain?
tr,
Lady Liberty was raped today. I have nothing to smile about.[:(!]
originally posted by trfox:
Geez S Crist people. The anti-gun side sees this decision as a major loss for them. Can't most of you at least try to put on a happy face at least once in your life? Or does it make you look more shrewd and knowledgable if you always complain?
tr,
Lady Liberty was raped today. I have nothing to smile about.[:(!]
You can smile that you are up past your bed time.
Well, Ram, for you folks that prefer to shove off on your kids the necessity of either rebelling and taking this country back.or submitting to being herded off to camps complete with grave trenches ..you sing a good song.
Those of us concerned about the ultimate direction this country is taking find no joy in todays decision.
Rather a decison totally banning weapons...so that people like you would have no place to hide anymore.
Submit...or fight.
As yes. That fight that you and so many hunger for. And after that fight is over, presuming that there will be only one central authority (or maybe the country divided into several sections) there will still be gun control. Such gun control as the victors of this rebellion you hunger for prohobiting those who, in good faith, fought against them. The losers, (and probably anyone who offends the new emporer(s)) will have no gun rights.
But after your revolution, it is doubtful you will have a supreme court to appeal to.
Keep your cool, 'ol buddy..let the enemy lose theirs.
originally posted by cartod:
Originally posted by wsfiredude
originally posted by trfox:
Geez S Crist people. The anti-gun side sees this decision as a major loss for them. Can't most of you at least try to put on a happy face at least once in your life? Or does it make you look more shrewd and knowledgable if you always complain?
tr,
Lady Liberty was raped today. I have nothing to smile about.
You can smile that you are up past your bed time.
Go eat your fruit pizza, f aggot.
You loose.
He and I have been going back and forth for a while now. He just struck a nerve. Sometimes my temper gets the best of me.
closet liberals are known to have bad tempers.
Well..just remember..'you loose'...I am gonna use it as in..'hang loose'.[:D]
When you get these guys mad...they start blurting out just how anti-gun they REALLY are..always entertaining.
closet liberals are known to have bad tempers.
No, Irish/German descent with some Cherokee mixed in. Makes for a hell of a combination.
Sorry. I shouldn't said what I did.
originaly posted by cartod:
closet liberals are known to have bad tempers.
No, Irish/German descent with some Cherokee mixed in. Makes for a hell of a combination.
Sorry. I shouldn't said what I did.
Im an American.
Do any of you idiots that think this decision was a bad thing realy think that if the decision went the other direction and said there was NO individual right we would be better off????
MY POINT EXACTLY. [^]
Im an American.
As am I
Do any of you idiots that think this decision was a bad thing realy think that if the decision went the other direction and said there was NO individual right we would be better off????
No, what us idiots who know how to spell "really" are saying is that the ruling will do little to change gun laws. Again, the SCOUS said we could own a gun, but did not say what we have to do to get it. All this ruling said it you can't have a total ban on firearms, nothing else.
This was a specific case for one man and not all gun owners. However, that formal definition of "INDIVIDUAL RIGHT" gave all of us a much-needed stepping stone for future rulings. Be grateful for that; it could have gone the other way.
You may have heard "He who frames the debate-WINS" (or something to that effect)--Someone please correct me.
"There is a THEY and they ARE out to get us"
"The sky REALLY is falling" (RT)
I am pleased about the ruling. Yes- it is better than if it had gone the other way. It was, like every Presidential election I have seen in many years past, it was "the lesser of 2 evils".
You may have heard "He who frames the debate-WINS" (or something to that effect)--Someone please correct me.
"There is a THEY and they ARE out to get us"
"The sky REALLY is falling" (RT)
Be careful what you ask. (See my first post in this thread). It's still early here but they'll get up soon and filet you, too, with personal attacks even though they don't know you. [V]
originally posted by dtknowles:
Highball and ECC
What are you guys waiting for, don't you have the strength of your convictions. Why don't you just go out and confront the BATF and the other FED's. Start the revolution today, are you afraid. Again, what are you waiting for, the courts are never going to help you with either the total ban or total freedom. Tell them about the things you have the they don't want you to have and dare them to come get them.
More collectivist garbage spewed forth by a collectivist puke. The 2nd was dealt a severe blow today, and you can't even see it. The hostility you direct at ECC and Highball stems from the fact you have no understanding what it means to be free vs what it means to be a slave. You are content begging daddy government for something that has always been a God-given right. Lick the boots if you will, but there are those of us who have too much pride to do so. We are called Americans.
+1
I'm truly amazed that so many folks cannot see the light here...
Highball and ECC
What are you guys waiting for, don't you have the strength of your convictions. Why don't you just go out and confront the BATF and the other FED's. Start the revolution today, are you afraid. Again, what are you waiting for, the courts are never going to help you with either the total ban or total freedom. Tell them about the things you have the they don't want you to have and dare them to come get them.
They are waiting for a leader...
Should a very left leaning President and Congress, sometime in the near future, decide that the 2nd Amendment itself be a hopeless anachronism and repeal it, we pro-gun Americans will have little chance of getting that Constitutional(notice I didn't say GOD given) right back. For some of our more Conservative(notice I didn't say reactionary) members of the forum you need to remember that there are one heck of a lot more liberals in this country than there are conservatives/middle of the roaders....the liberals, if they can ever stop fighting amoungst themselves, will soon be in the position to LEGALLY legislate whatevery they in their collective wisdom is best for the rest of us. And they will do it because they care and because they are only looking out for everyone and because they know that some of the more reactionary Americans just don't get it and because they love everyone and because they want everyone to be happy even if you don't share their view of happiness....they will re-educate you to real understanding.
Highball I respect your independent view of our country but in this regard I'm with Martin...any victory for gun rights in our country IS a victory for all of us. Best to all, Beach.
I dont think we are ever going to achieve the ideals some of the people on this forum seem to want, and not sure it would be a good idea even if we could.
If this decision is a taking the wind out of the sails of the anti gun groups I have no problem being excited about it. Or at the least score it as progress for the pro-gun crowds.
Check their profiles. They don't put much info there because they are terrified of being singled out and held accountable.
They badmouth the NRA and they even find something to * about Heller. Any fifth grader could tell you it is a victory of the people of America. I'm not unconvinced Highball isn't a agent provocateur and that he always has been.