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4 Those Who Won't Join Together 2 Fight

tr foxtr fox Member Posts: 13,856
edited May 2006 in General Discussion
For those who think there is no need to join with other gun owners and pool our money, time, effort and political clout to fight against the anti-gun crowd, here is an e-mail from the SAF about an experiment that shows how crazily extreme the anti-gunners will go in an effort to produce "science" that indicates we gun owners are a bad, bad, group:




NEWS RELEASE
JUNK SCIENCE IS BAD AMMO,' SAYS SECOND AMENDMENT FOUNDATION
BELLEVUE, WA - A study limited to 30 male students at a small Illinois college that claims handling firearms "primes men for aggression" by raising their testosterone levels is being dismissed as junk science by the Second Amendment Foundation (SAF).

According to the Associated Press, psychologists at Knox College put test subjects in a bare room in which they found, on a table, either a board game called Mouse Trap or a large handgun. They were instructed to disassemble either the gun or the game and write directions for the disassembly and reassembly. Researchers measured testosterone levels through saliva samplings before and after the test, and found that levels rose sharply in the men who handled the gun, but not the game.

Afterward, study subjects were asked to taste a cup of water with a drop of hot sauce in it, and then prepare a similar drink for the next student, adding as much hot sauce as they wanted. Researchers said those who handled the gun added about three times more hot sauce to the drink than those who didn't.



"Based on this," marveled SAF founder Alan Gottlieb, "these people are claiming that merely handling firearms makes men more aggressive, because they want to play what amounts to a practical joke on the next guy. We're not certain what this questionable research indicates, other than the strong possibility that researchers at Knox College have far too much time on their hands, and maybe ought to think about getting real jobs.

"However," he continued, "the anti-gun crowd has jumped all over this junk science, giving the impression it is nothing short of divine scripture, because it reinforces their twisted stereotype of a gun owner as being someone who may be looking for trouble. That's what they've wanted the public to believe about average firearms owners for decades.

"This so-called study has its critics, and rightly so," Gottlieb noted. "Might we suggest that the authors of this research try devoting their time to solving world hunger or the national energy crisis? That would certainly benefit mankind more than trying to add another layer of suspicious data that ranks right up there with determining the number of angels on the head of a pin."

-END-

Comments

  • dcon12dcon12 Member Posts: 32,038 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I am going to go to the mail box right now and send my 35 dollars to the NRA so this will be debunked by tommorow. Don
  • n/an/a Member Posts: 168,427
    edited November -1
    I would like to see the same thing done (the drink) just in a taste test...bet the results would be the same....they would add more hot sauce just as a joke, and you dont have to love or hate guns to know that..
  • sig232sig232 Member Posts: 8,018
    edited November -1
    I think anyone presenting that arguement would be laughed off the planet! What a ruse!

    Takes a lot more than a gun to get my harmones flowing. Something like "Remote Girl" or "Allison", now that will wake up the sleeping harmones.
  • tr foxtr fox Member Posts: 13,856
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by dcon12
    I am going to go to the mail box right now and send my 35 dollars to the NRA so this will be debunked by tommorow. Don


    Who mentioned the NRA? I doubt your $35.00 will go anywhere.
  • HighballHighball Member Posts: 15,755
    edited November -1
    Gun People..REAL gun people...ARE a "Bad, Bad Group"..Ask the Founders.

    They are very bad for Dictators, Socialists, and Fascists...they interfere with their overweening plans to control everybody and every thing...

    Mind you..I am not talking about the Compromisers here...those willing to comfortably swallow the next round of gun control...
  • bpostbpost Member Posts: 32,669 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    It is hard for a gun nut to tell how much hot sauce is in water.

    Now, if you used Unique or Varget they can tell you the lot number and weight of the charge. [:D][:D]
  • HighballHighball Member Posts: 15,755
    edited November -1
  • nomadictaonomadictao Member Posts: 1,310 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    So let me get this strait...guns cause an overload of testosterone. Hmmm. does that mean donuts lead to estrogen? How about tacos, is that an estrogen thing too? Do catchers have more estrogen and pitchers more testosterone? I think I get the picture. [;)]
  • ElMuertoMonkeyElMuertoMonkey Member Posts: 12,898
    edited November -1
    One could just as easily conclude that handling a complicated piece of machinery elevates testosterone since a board game is nowhere near as complicated as "a large handgun."

    Also, since we're talking about the oh-so gun-friendly state of Illinois, one could just as easily suppose that the handling of a novel stimulus, in this case the handgun, caused the increase in testosterone levels.

    Mind you, a thirty student study sample also has its own problems given that, in all likelihood, they were, every last one of them, college freshmen or sophomores majoring in psychology. So while these barely adult males might have gotten aroused by a handgun, who's to say that a football player or an English major would have?

    Another question we have to ask is whether or not the gun was an iconic brand like a Smith & Wesson or a Glock. Would the result have been the same if a rarer, less easily-recognized firearm had been used, like a gyrojet pistol prototype?

    And given that these were college students being sampled, one must wonder where their politics lay. I guarantee you a more stereotypically "conservative" mind would not get as much of a rush from handling a firearm as a more stereotypically "liberal" one would for the simple matter that we all get a bit of a rush when we do something forbidden and you don't get much more "forbidden" in a liberal household than guns and landmines.

    It would seem that the old "publish or perish" mentality has once again reared its ugly head. Was this study meant to truly understand the inner workings of the male mind where firearms are concerned? Highly unlikely given its miniscule sample and the amateurish controls.

    But if their goal was to get noticed so that they could gain access to more research funds, then they did their job quite well, because other than abortion, you don't get much more hot-button than guns.
  • tr foxtr fox Member Posts: 13,856
    edited November -1
    Damn good analysis EMM.
  • spanielsellsspanielsells Member Posts: 12,498
    edited November -1
    Geez, I'd pour the whole bottle of hot sauce for the next person just because it is funny.

    Has nothing to do with aggression, more like entertainment value.

    Idiots.
  • BoomerangBoomerang Member Posts: 4,513
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by ElMuertoMonkey
    One could just as easily conclude that handling a complicated piece of machinery elevates testosterone since a board game is nowhere near as complicated as "a large handgun."

    Also, since we're talking about the oh-so gun-friendly state of Illinois, one could just as easily suppose that the handling of a novel stimulus, in this case the handgun, caused the increase in testosterone levels.

    Mind you, a thirty student study sample also has its own problems given that, in all likelihood, they were, every last one of them, college freshmen or sophomores majoring in psychology. So while these barely adult males might have gotten aroused by a handgun, who's to say that a football player or an English major would have?

    Another question we have to ask is whether or not the gun was an iconic brand like a Smith & Wesson or a Glock. Would the result have been the same if a rarer, less easily-recognized firearm had been used, like a gyrojet pistol prototype?

    And given that these were college students being sampled, one must wonder where their politics lay. I guarantee you a more stereotypically "conservative" mind would not get as much of a rush from handling a firearm as a more stereotypically "liberal" one would for the simple matter that we all get a bit of a rush when we do something forbidden and you don't get much more "forbidden" in a liberal household than guns and landmines.

    It would seem that the old "publish or perish" mentality has once again reared its ugly head. Was this study meant to truly understand the inner workings of the male mind where firearms are concerned? Highly unlikely given its miniscule sample and the amateurish controls.

    But if their goal was to get noticed so that they could gain access to more research funds, then they did their job quite well, because other than abortion, you don't get much more hot-button than guns.
    EMM - That was one of the most lucid, spot-on responses I have ever read. Wow!
  • hughbetchahughbetcha Member Posts: 7,801 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Maybe I'm missing something here but.. What's wrong with slightly elevating testosterone levels? I'll bet taking a long walk, lifting weights, eating a steak or reading a Playboy magazine will also slightly raise your testosterone levels.
  • zipperzapzipperzap Member Posts: 25,057
    edited November -1
    quote:hughbetcha:
    Maybe I'm missing something here but.. What's wrong with slightly elevating testosterone levels?

    Well, sometimes it can provoke small problems!

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  • HighballHighball Member Posts: 15,755
    edited November -1
    Another good point made above...God FORBID that we raise the level of testosterone in a culture hellbent on emasculating/feminizing/Ritlinning
    the entire population of males....Cowards are SOOO much easier to rule over....
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