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Court rules Pledge of Allegiance 'unconstitutional
A teacher stands up in the front of a class and announces, "Children, stand up and we will recite the pledge of allegiance."
With gimlet eye, she quickly scans the room for any opposition, mentally noting such.
The children, in the other hand, dutifully stand and do as they are told. Her presence will see that this happens in most instances and peer pressure will see to the tiny residual.
Voluntary? I think not. And when this happens to a five or six year old child, by the time they are wise enough to resist, the die is cast. It worked for the Nazis, the communists, the Muslims and the Chinese; and it works here.
What about "In God We Trust" being on all our currency (there are actually laws stipulating that it must exist on all US currency) and "In God We Trust" on government buildings? I find this not an issue of church and state since nobody is forced to recite the Pledge of Allegiance. Sure, you would look weird if you decided not to, but oh well. You would look weird burning an American flag also. Should we declare the flag unconstitutional because it offends some? No. While I hate those who do it, I would be against any laws declaring flag burning illegal because it goes against everything this country stands for. I think this Pledge of Allegiance thing is a cop-out and I can't wait till the day a higher court once again sets the Ninth Court in their place. By the way, a 2-1 ruling? Wow, sounds like a couple judges didn't want to touch this with a 30ft pole.
We are of like minds on this matter. It is the unconditional part that sticks in my craw and an allegiance pledge is unconditional. I took that pledge when I enlisted and again three times at four year intervals. I knew what I was doing and I knew what a pledge constituted. I made another pledge 40 years ago, a marriage pledge, and I'm still keeping it and will 'til I die.
Children who pledge allegiance, under God or not, don't have a clue what they're doing and that can't be the message we want to send them.
I stand proudly for the National Anthem and get tears when I see Old Glory in a parade. I do those things because I feel them, not because I said I would.
I am still trying to find where in the US Constitution, Declaration Of Independence and other such documents where there is a line, verse, statement, clause, statute, or some type of rule, expressed or implied, that says "separation of church and state". What church and what state do people mean when they make this statement? Does making a reference about "God" or a reference to or about a diety or some sort of supreme being constitute an establishment of a "church" and/or the practice of a religion? SOMETIMES I GET THE FEELING THAT THERE IS A GIANT BOWLING BALL ROLLING THROUGH OUR COUNTRY KNOCKING OVER EVERY SYMBOL AND IDEAL THAT IDENTIFIES US AS AMERICANS.
Pack slow, fall stable, pull high, hit dead center.
GUNPAQ- You can search that constitution of yours high and low, but you aint gonna find no reference to "seperation of church and state."
"Seperation of church and state" was dogma created to allow the Federal government to behave unconstitutionally with respect to freedom of religion. Since the first amendment is binding on congress, and not the states, and since the wording of the religion clause of the first amendment would be contradictory if the amendment was applied against anyone but the Federal government, wise souls dreamed up SEPERATION OF CHURCH AND STATE, which basically nullifies the "or prohibit the free exercise thereof" part of the amendment.
So as you can see, since the Federal government is not obeyinfg the constitution, because they are prohibiting states, school districts, etc, from having anything that even smells like religion, they are violating the first amendment. SEPERATION OF CHURCH AND STATE is an unconstitutional idea that allows the government to totally disobey the first amendment.
"The powers delegated by the proposed constitution to the federal governmentare few and defined, and will be exercised principally on external objects, as war, peace negotiation, and foreign commerce"
-James Madison
Lowrider, you got something with the money thing here. Just think before we know it we won't be able to get paid becasue the money states, "In God we trust". Their next move will be to issue a one world monetary system without those words.
Next thing you know they'll outlaw the name of God in public. The name of God cops will be swarming the shopping malls and streets. This should help people stop using my God's name in vain though. Oops!
Naa that ain't gonna work, cause they'll make any negative comments about God exempt. Ever hear of the rapture? It's just around the corner, get ready.
This country was started by people believng in God. If people, now,
dont want to believe in God, they dont have to. But dont try to
to tie up the courts with petty stupidy for fame and glory. The
Pledge of Allegance is not Manditory. Just dont say it and keep your
mouth shut. However I still like Ernie Pyles comment: "never saw a
atheist in a foxhole". And if we strike out "God" from our language
we will be the same as Californians. And who wants to be like that
bunch of "Fruits and Nuts". And I still like " God Bless America".
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A teacher stands up in the front of a class and announces, "Children, stand up and we will recite the pledge of allegiance."
With gimlet eye, she quickly scans the room for any opposition, mentally noting such.
The children, in the other hand, dutifully stand and do as they are told. Her presence will see that this happens in most instances and peer pressure will see to the tiny residual.
Voluntary? I think not. And when this happens to a five or six year old child, by the time they are wise enough to resist, the die is cast. It worked for the Nazis, the communists, the Muslims and the Chinese; and it works here.
Blind obedience leads where?
Clouder..
We are of like minds on this matter. It is the unconditional part that sticks in my craw and an allegiance pledge is unconditional. I took that pledge when I enlisted and again three times at four year intervals. I knew what I was doing and I knew what a pledge constituted. I made another pledge 40 years ago, a marriage pledge, and I'm still keeping it and will 'til I die.
Children who pledge allegiance, under God or not, don't have a clue what they're doing and that can't be the message we want to send them.
I stand proudly for the National Anthem and get tears when I see Old Glory in a parade. I do those things because I feel them, not because I said I would.
Clouder..
Pack slow, fall stable, pull high, hit dead center.
"Seperation of church and state" was dogma created to allow the Federal government to behave unconstitutionally with respect to freedom of religion. Since the first amendment is binding on congress, and not the states, and since the wording of the religion clause of the first amendment would be contradictory if the amendment was applied against anyone but the Federal government, wise souls dreamed up SEPERATION OF CHURCH AND STATE, which basically nullifies the "or prohibit the free exercise thereof" part of the amendment.
So as you can see, since the Federal government is not obeyinfg the constitution, because they are prohibiting states, school districts, etc, from having anything that even smells like religion, they are violating the first amendment. SEPERATION OF CHURCH AND STATE is an unconstitutional idea that allows the government to totally disobey the first amendment.
"The powers delegated by the proposed constitution to the federal governmentare few and defined, and will be exercised principally on external objects, as war, peace negotiation, and foreign commerce"
-James Madison
The most important things, Are not things.
Next thing you know they'll outlaw the name of God in public. The name of God cops will be swarming the shopping malls and streets. This should help people stop using my God's name in vain though. Oops!
Naa that ain't gonna work, cause they'll make any negative comments about God exempt. Ever hear of the rapture? It's just around the corner, get ready.
dont want to believe in God, they dont have to. But dont try to
to tie up the courts with petty stupidy for fame and glory. The
Pledge of Allegance is not Manditory. Just dont say it and keep your
mouth shut. However I still like Ernie Pyles comment: "never saw a
atheist in a foxhole". And if we strike out "God" from our language
we will be the same as Californians. And who wants to be like that
bunch of "Fruits and Nuts". And I still like " God Bless America".