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Gun Dealers as bad as Car Dealers.

leeblackmanleeblackman Member Posts: 5,303 ✭✭
edited August 2002 in General Discussion
Some gun dealers will say just about anything to make a sale. I witnessed a dealer telling a customer how much better Norinco 1911's were than Colt, how they were made out of stonger metal, and had better quality, ect. And was asking $500 for it. Nothing special either, just a plain jane.

If I'm wrong please correct me, I won't be offended.

The sound of a 12 gauge pump clears a house fatser than Rosie O eats a Big Mac !
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  • n/an/a Member Posts: 168,427 ✭
    edited November -1
    Thats not as bad as one that I observed.

    Dealer evidently got hold of a guy that didnt know squat about guns, and sold him a Raven .25 for 225.00. He told the guy just how reliable it was, and would never give him any problems,

    I just snickered out loud to make him frown, and walked away..

    "A wise man is a man that realizes just how little he knows"
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  • leeblackmanleeblackman Member Posts: 5,303 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Ouch, that poor soul. I guess its happened to us all at least once. I know I had to learn the hard way, but it wasn't that bad. How could he sleep at night knowing he did that to someone?

    If I'm wrong please correct me, I won't be offended.

    The sound of a 12 gauge pump clears a house fatser than Rosie O eats a Big Mac !
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  • Harleeman1030Harleeman1030 Member Posts: 1,505 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I quit buying guns from a good friend who kept hiring dumb people...

    1. Walk in one time to get my 1187 worked on guy tried to tell me it was a piece of junk i needed a benelli..(changing stocks off it)

    2.Walk in one time to look at and buy a Franchi 912 camo 3.5 shotgun with a friend of mine..Guy working there says why buy that piece of junk buy a benelli..

    I see the owner all the time dropping kids off at daycare..He has tried everything to get me to go back into his store...

    So i give another try this year..I walk in with a browning gold hunter 3 inch mag perfect gun..by the book at that time worth 475.00 trade..Guy working there right off the bat "well you going to have to give us that gun it's a piece of junk compared to a benelli"..

    I am not the only one quitting this guy...I guess some guy's think we all need benelli's to hunt and kill anything i will never buy one nor own one..Just my 1 cent worth.

    WHEW GOT THAT OFF MY CHEST LOL

    Harleeman1030@aol.com
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  • offerorofferor Member Posts: 8,625 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Which of course speaks to the amount of American ignorance about guns -- they walk in expecting to spend about $200 and the only thing they know about guns is that they don't want one that looks too intimidating to THEM, or they know that James Bond carried a Beretta .25 before M made him take the PPK. So they get what they wanted. A $200 .25. I wish gun dealers had more ethics than that, but there are a percentage who don't. I guess they figure it doesn't matter what most of these people keep in the nightstand because they'll never use it anyway. Not a very healthy attitude. This is a special kind of business. If you want to worry about profit & loss and sell guns like widgets, I wish you'd find another product line. People's lives do depend on this stuff, sometimes. You can bet these dealers don't pull that crap when a seasoned cop walks in needing a backup.

    - Life NRA Member
    "If cowardly & dishonorable men shoot unarmed men with army guns, the evil must be prevented by the penitentiary...and not by general deprivation of constitutional privilege." - Arkansas Supreme Court, 1878
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  • leeblackmanleeblackman Member Posts: 5,303 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I'd tell the benelli guy that benelli's are ok, but you pay to much for what your getting. I'd rather stick with a nice remington or a browning, something equally as good, just doesn't cost as much. See what he says. If he says your guns a piece of crap you need a benelli, look right back at him and say "your a piece of crap, I need a new dealer..."

    If I'm wrong please correct me, I won't be offended.

    The sound of a 12 gauge pump clears a house fatser than Rosie O eats a Big Mac !
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  • interstatepawnllcinterstatepawnllc Member Posts: 9,390
    edited November -1
    If a guy comes to my store and asks about a J-22 or a raven, lorcin, hi-point or any other die cast piece of crap I'll tell him all about it. Not because I want to sell him something else, because I want him as a lifetime customer. I will sell him the p.o.s. pistol but only after I tell him it's limitations and weaknesses. Dealers with no morals are the scum of the earth, just as are car dealers and lawyers, well most anyway!!
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  • RugerNinerRugerNiner Member Posts: 12,636 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Most of the Pawn shops around here have brand new Benelli's for sale.
    I guess Benelli had a big sale.

    Remember...Terrorist are attacking Civilians; Not the Government. Protect Yourself!
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  • Rafter-SRafter-S Member Posts: 2,173 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I too am appalled at some of the things dealers tell customers. However, it is also amusing to hear Joe Six-pak's advice to his sweetie when they stroll up to the gun display. He picks up the gun he thinks is the coolest--the one he would like to have for himself--and tells her that's what she should have for her concealed carry piece. Often times it's some huge semi-auto with a 17 round magazine, or some monstorous caliber...when all she really needs is a little snub-nose revolver.
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  • leeblackmanleeblackman Member Posts: 5,303 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Aint that the truth rafter man. I too witness that.



    If I'm wrong please correct me, I won't be offended.

    The sound of a 12 gauge pump clears a house fatser than Rosie O eats a Big Mac !
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  • robsgunsrobsguns Member Posts: 4,581 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Maybe what we need is a group of FFL holders to form a type of group that FFL holders can belong to, so long as they are in good standing, with very few customer complaints as to their service. Then customers can look for the FFL holders membership in this group. Kind of like a FFL holders BBB. Kind of like what sellers and buyers have on auctions in the form of feedback. The BBB just isnt something I want to call every time I walk into a store to purchase a gun, it'd be better if you could look for a fancy gold colored plaque on the wall that says this dealer is good to go for the year 2002 etc., by the order of the Fraternal Order of Ethically Sound Gun Dealers, he, he!

    SSgt Ryan E. Roberts, USMC
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  • Harleeman1030Harleeman1030 Member Posts: 1,505 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    LOL Robsguns

    Harleeman1030@aol.com

    Be quite honey i know what i am doing...... KaBOOM

    Edited by - harleeman1030 on 08/16/2002 01:21:42
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  • leeblackmanleeblackman Member Posts: 5,303 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Sounds like a good idea robsguns. Maybe sounds like a good political organization too. Like a FFL dealers union. Lobby to get rid of stupid gun laws like 10rd magazines capacity limits.

    If I'm wrong please correct me, I won't be offended.

    The sound of a 12 gauge pump clears a house fatser than Rosie O eats a Big Mac !
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  • Judge DreadJudge Dread Member Posts: 2,372 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Once saw a Dealer sell one man a $30.00 taurus for $500.00 ...
    And the @#@ "Donkey orifice" was not even taking advices from anybody
    "''aHemmm ! "He Knew What he wanted....."

    Car Dealer can be sued for defective lemon Dung .....

    Gun dealers Hide in the Magnuson&Fergunson statutes and can get away with murder .....

    ( Gun dealers can be worst )


    JD

    400 million cows can't be wrong ( EAT GRASS !!! )
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  • He DogHe Dog Member Posts: 51,593 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I would not say anything to the Benneli fan, but I would let my friend know exactly why I quit is store. He is a friend right?

    I had an uncle who said that business people are the worst people there are. Sometimes that is easy to believe. Mostly, I think it is the marketing people. McDonalds wants to hook your 3 year old, because their market research says if gotten habituated young enough people will be life long customers. And then you don't have to bother with silly stuff like customer service.

    Too bad you just have to try on shotguns, other wise I could buy em on the net.

    A balanced diet is a cookie in each hand
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  • offerorofferor Member Posts: 8,625 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Benellis became popular because they went toward guns with more tactical features for cops and home defense.

    I wouldn't necessarily buy a Benelli to hunt, but if I wanted a good tactical piece with a shorter barrel, maybe a pistol grip, hi-cap tube, reliable semi-auto and ghost rings, I might find the Benelli made the only appropriate thing in the store other than the tricked out Mossberg pump. Benelli Super90s were mighty nice there for a while when they were the only thing in the store that looked like it was set up for serious work.

    - Life NRA Member
    "If cowardly & dishonorable men shoot unarmed men with army guns, the evil must be prevented by the penitentiary...and not by general deprivation of constitutional privilege." - Arkansas Supreme Court, 1878
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  • Evil ATFEvil ATF Member Posts: 1,195 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    "I wouldn't necessarily buy a Benelli to hunt, but if I wanted a good tactical piece with a shorter barrel, maybe a pistol grip, hi-cap tube, reliable semi-auto and ghost rings, I might find the Benelli made the only appropriate thing in the store other than the tricked out Mossberg pump."

    Make sure it's a pre-ban then, brother. You've got too many "evil features" listed there for your semi-auto Benelli to be legal.

    Stand And Be Counted
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  • offerorofferor Member Posts: 8,625 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Evil --
    Precisely. Which is why they cost so much now at gun shows. Still wish I'd bought a Street Sweeper while I had the chance. What a collector's item!

    - Life NRA Member
    "If cowardly & dishonorable men shoot unarmed men with army guns, the evil must be prevented by the penitentiary...and not by general deprivation of constitutional privilege." - Arkansas Supreme Court, 1878
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  • marinebadgermarinebadger Member Posts: 115 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Guess I got lucky that my dad got me interested before I ever had to make a decision w/out him. So I never had to make the mistake of buying junk. I recently applied to work at a outdoor store at the gun counter...no reply. I would have liked helping people find what they want/need. My friends ask me all the time what they should buy.
    I think if I were the Harleeman and someone told me my gun was crap and I should buy a Benelli, I would challenge him to some clay birds.
    I'll bet they find a way out of it rather than embarass themselves.

    by the way, where do Niner and Classic get there cool army men and quick draw? They crack me up

    I once asked the dealer if I could see the "win. 92 copy" referring to a Puma behind him....he grabbed a clip fed bolt .22. I just had to laugh.

    "a Freudian slip is when you say one thing and mean amother"
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  • offerorofferor Member Posts: 8,625 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    marine --
    I think there must be enough gun enthusiasts around that those counter jobs aren't as easy to get as, say, one at Walgreen's. Plus I don't suppose they pay a heck of a lot. But I'm starting to think that I'd rather have a good time at work than make $35-50K at something that gives me a headache and a caffeine craving.

    - Life NRA Member
    "If cowardly & dishonorable men shoot unarmed men with army guns, the evil must be prevented by the penitentiary...and not by general deprivation of constitutional privilege." - Arkansas Supreme Court, 1878
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  • RembrandtRembrandt Member Posts: 4,486 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    It's true most dealers push what they have in inventory, Most people don't buy on impulse, but sometimes a dealer's "seed" suggestion will eventually produce a sale after 2-3 trips to the gun shop. I'm not sure the comparision of car dealers to gun dealers, (as negative as it may seem), is is either good or bad. All retail business's operate in much the same way...if you want the sale, you'll need to be "assertive".

    I generally know ahead of time what I want from prior research....a dealer trying to pass off some inventory would have to lower the price substaintially to get my attention.

    ....I love Benelli's, my Super 90 preban is like the 4 wheel drive of shotguns, goes through rain, brush, snow, and is extremely reliable. My Benelli Black Eagle (rifled & shot barrels) is used for deer and birds.....some of the finest smei-autos ever built. They're not for the weak wallets....
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  • Rafter-SRafter-S Member Posts: 2,173 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    offeror--
    Life is too short to have a job you don't like. Believe me--I know from experience.

    The only reason to tolorate an unpleasant job is to be making so much money that it would be foolish to quit. But even then, one should have a plan as to when to walk away...with a pile of money in the bank.
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  • cbxjeffcbxjeff Member Posts: 17,633 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Wait a minute here. I sold used cars for 35 years. We are not all that bad. Well, maybe so!

    cbxjeffIt's too late for me, save yourself.
    It's too late for me, save yourself.
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