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CCW, asking permission?

5db5db Member Posts: 1,621 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited November 2001 in General Discussion
Just read SaxonPig's post about taking another CCW class and commend him for it. I understand CCW laws basically award citizens the permission to carry concealed. However, I believe the 2nd amendment allows law abiding citizens that option. That CCW laws in effect says a citizen must seek and receive permission first. Submitting required information to the powers that be before partaking in this "Right". So in essence this Right, by law, becomes a privilege. Am I the only one that feels this way?
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  • badboybobbadboybob Member Posts: 1,658 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Nope. Me too.
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  • He DogHe Dog Member Posts: 51,593 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    It seems to me that the 2nd guarantees the right to keep and bear arms. One could suppose the method of bearing is open to interpretation. All of the states I have lived in allow open carry, though they may not like it and some places are excepted, like bars, banks and so on. Seems to me the real choices are carry unlicensed with attendant risks, carry licensed if your state allows that, prepare for a long constitutional court battle, or deluging congress with mail.
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  • illbfrankillbfrank Member Posts: 5 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Seems to me that the second amendment guarantees the right to bear arms for all citizens...felons included. I don't feel that this right can or should be infringed upon in any way. Hey, the felons are armed any way don't you think? They will probably come to their own end soon enough by virtue of their behavior and the people they choose to run with...I say let everybody carry. Those who become very proficient will out shoot those who don't.
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  • BlueTicBlueTic Member Posts: 4,072
    edited November -1
    Just had part of this discussion with my Canadian Brother-in-Law last night. He started out talking about how they take a hunting class in order to get their hunting permits. I asked if his father taught him how to use a firearm and hunt, he said yeah, so why do you need your government stepping in and telling you to take a class. He said so that certain standards are met, it is their job. I told him that his fathers standards were met and the government should have no reason to take away a right and make it a privledge following their rules and forking over whatever fines for wanting to use that right.We then of course moved into the field of banned "weapons" and soon to CCW ( the whole time the ladies are rolling their eyes and trying not to listen) I told him it is my RIGHT to carry a firearm. He said their should be some form of regulation as to who carries and where. I dissagree - I have already had to go through a background check, EACH AND EVERY TIME I BUY A FIREARM, that is all the goverment should need (too much in my mind) If I as a responsible citizen see the need to carry a firearm, concealed or in a holster that is visible, I have that right, and will not BOW DOWN TO ANYONE FOR THEIR PERMISSION. If a person who illegaly possesses a firearm and has ill reason for concealing that firearm, should be fully prosecuted when caught. Those persons are going to do it anyway - They have already obtained a firearm through different channels and will most likely be using it at somepoint in the commission of another illegal activity. All of their rules and regulations placed on law abiding citizens can not and will not change those facts.I guess my brother-in-law was raised a little different, even though there are more firearms per-capita in their country than ours.
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  • landislandis Member Posts: 230 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    An interesting parallel might be a FSF, or "Freedom to Speak Freely" licnese. In order to apply you must first take 15 hours of sensitivity courses, so that you don't abuse the "Right" and hurt someone's feelings. Then you have to take a State test to see if you qualify. Until that time of certification, you must keep your opinions to yourself and not speak in public. Maybe a little absurd, but not implausable.
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  • kimberkidkimberkid Member Posts: 8,858 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    In Kansas, CCW is not an option ... only LEO's and Criminals carry concealed ... The otherwise honest responcible citizen that does carry concealed is no better than the druggies and head-bangers in the eyes of the law as a result.
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  • 5db5db Member Posts: 1,621 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    BlueTic, just remembered this, a friend in OK recently got his CCW license and showed it to me. I pulled by billfold and showed him my Birth Certificate!landis, shhhhh, some treehugger that lurks here might take you serious! LOLkimberkid, I am a Criminal! (on occasion) Though I try to avoid such places where danger lurks, if I must travel those roads, I'll go discreetly armed. In full violation of the law in the great state of Kansas. Here's the real deal, NOBODY will know! If the use of the firearm becomes required, I for one will not care what the law says in regards to caring firearms. As is said, better tried by twelve than carried by six.
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  • 5db5db Member Posts: 1,621 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Saxonpig, I agree. However in my opinion, there is one distinct difference. That is taking the precautions to continue living and as a consequence being able to pay said taxes. I don't fault you or anyone that makes the decision to apply for a CCW, mine is just an observation.
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  • cbxjeffcbxjeff Member Posts: 17,597 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Kimberkid,Is it legal to openly carry in Kansas. I visit Cheyenne every summer and was initially shocked by the number of people with 6 shooters on their hip. Just like 125 years ago. It's no big thing out there. Just try that in Indiana!
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  • AlerionAlerion Member Posts: 61 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    cbxjeff,Am I to understand that you would rather live in a state that will not allow concealed carry (or a loaded firearm in a vehicle) for a non-LEO just because they allow open carry without a permit? Indiana requires a license to carry a handgun but after that you can carry open or concealed. Plus Indiana is a "shall issue" state so it's not really all that backward.I don't particularly like having to "ask permission" to carry a gun but at least I appreciate that "permission" is available.BTW, I frequently carry in an IWB holster with the grip exposed which would be considered open carry. I like the fact that, unlike in Kansas, I can put on a jacket without becoming a criminal. I've carried like this for years in Elkhart, Bloomington, Indy, and Fort Wayne. I've never had a problem with it.Tom
    Nothing is foolproof to a sufficiently talented fool. [This message has been edited by Alerion (edited 11-20-2001).]
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  • cbxjeffcbxjeff Member Posts: 17,597 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Alerion,I guess that I didn't make myself clear. Perhaps "shocked" was the wrong word. "Surprised" might have been better. I have an IN carry permit - have for a number of years. No, I wouldn't want to lose that option. What I meant was that it is unusual to see open carry by private citizens in IN. I'm not sure but I think there are restrictions where you can have your piece showing in IN.
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